Two stats that say it all

[Havic]

I'll repeat it again......"The offense has to be flawless and score 30+. " Anything less is a crap shot or on this board, an attack on our QB. The NFL avg is 23. Thanks Jerry, thanks scouting and player evaluation. We don't even give our offense a chance for the most part.......what was the last turnover granted from our D?

We know the defense isnt good, so as an offense you are going to have to grind out long drives with a sustained succesful run game, which we do not have.

 

[Diehardblues]

And this is why Jerry is MOST responsible for this mess. He chose to hire Schotty. He interviewed 4 total candidates for the vacant HC Jon including Schotty - Robert Saleh, Kellen Moore, and Leslie Frazier.

I didn’t think too highly of any of those guys but Saleh and Frazier at least had HC experience and are defensive gurus.

Not saying we should have hired any of those guys. I’m just saying that was a pretty weak search. The most profitable sports franchise in the US did a pretty weak job of looking for a HC.

Saleh and Frazier were never going to be hired.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

Why do you care how I post? Ignore me if you can't take it.

Oh, I don't care. What I made you think I care? Lol

I'm just trying to get an understanding why you and all the people here who say, "this is a clown team" "this team is trash" "bunch of losers" "they are chokers" continue to waste time, which is very valuable, on a bunch of losers and chokers who play like clowns on a trash team. It makes ZERO sense.

 

[NeverBeGameOver]

On top of all of this, we can't run the ball. So the entire burden is on Dak Prescott and the passing game to carry the whole team.

 

[gimmesix]

So far in the second year of Brian Schottenheimer’s tenure, his overall record in 22 games as HC is 9-12-1. Obviously a lot more football to go this season and the NFC Least is shaping up to be a race for mediocrity, and we are just a game back. Plenty of time to get up off the mat.

There are two stats I ran across however that I think sums up what this team is most challenged with:
STAT ONE (Involving scoring)

• When Cowboys score less than 30 points, Schotty’s record is 1-10.
• When the Cowboys score 30 or more, Schotty’s record is 8-2-1.
• The NFL avg for pts per game for teams is 23.

STAT TWO (offensive possessions)

• Through 5 games, the Cowboys have the least number of offensive possessions with 45, or 9 possessions per game. League avg is 10.4 per game. Sea leads the league with 62 possessions or 12.4 possessions per game.
• When you have to score 30 or more to win, and you don’t get that many possessions in a game, your offense is in a place where it has to score almost every time it has the ball.

Through 22 games under Schotty, we have less than a 10% chance of winning if we score less than 30. Ouch.

The hope for improvement: GETTING TURNOVERS AND SHORT POSSESSIONS FROM OPPONENTS. Turnovers and extra stops from your defense give your offense extra possessions along with some short fields.

Without more TOs from our defense giving our offense more possessions, our offense will have to continue to score 30 or more each week to win.

Hopefully Mike Pettine can help Chris Parker dial up some stops and TOs.

Or the alternative solution is if the other team crosses midfield, you let it score on the next play since it is likely to score anyway. We'd probably still lose as the other team scores 40 or 50, but we'd get to see the offense a lot more.

 

[plasticman]

So far in the second year of Brian Schottenheimer’s tenure, his overall record in 22 games as HC is 9-12-1. Obviously a lot more football to go this season and the NFC Least is shaping up to be a race for mediocrity, and we are just a game back. Plenty of time to get up off the mat.

There are two stats I ran across however that I think sums up what this team is most challenged with:
STAT ONE (Involving scoring)

• When Cowboys score less than 30 points, Schotty’s record is 1-10.
• When the Cowboys score 30 or more, Schotty’s record is 8-2-1.
• The NFL avg for pts per game for teams is 23.

STAT TWO (offensive possessions)

• Through 5 games, the Cowboys have the least number of offensive possessions with 45, or 9 possessions per game. League avg is 10.4 per game. Sea leads the league with 62 possessions or 12.4 possessions per game.
• When you have to score 30 or more to win, and you don’t get that many possessions in a game, your offense is in a place where it has to score almost every time it has the ball.

Through 22 games under Schotty, we have less than a 10% chance of winning if we score less than 30. Ouch.

The hope for improvement: GETTING TURNOVERS AND SHORT POSSESSIONS FROM OPPONENTS. Turnovers and extra stops from your defense give your offense extra possessions along with some short fields.

Without more TOs from our defense giving our offense more possessions, our offense will have to continue to score 30 or more each week to win.

Hopefully Mike Pettine can help Chris Parker dial up some stops and TOs.

More bad news....

This is the first time in the Cowboys 67-year history that the team failed to get at least one INT through five games.

Quarterbacks are getting career high ratings when they throw in the direction of DaRon Bland and Reddy Stewart.....and Caleb Downs.

 

[plasticman]

Some good news......or not really bad news.....I think.

The Green Bay Packers offense has the 32nd ranked running game......today.

 

[Bobhaze]

Some good news......or not really bad news.....I think.

The Green Bay Packers offense has the 32nd ranked running game......today.

Well the Buccaneers came into last Thursday’s game avg 104 yards per game and shoved 241 yards rushing down our throats.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Well the Buccaneers came into last Thursday’s game avg 104 yards per game and shoved 241 yards rushing down our throats.

It's worse than that, Bob. Tampa was only averaging 74.25 rushing yards per game. They more than tripled that output against the sad sack Cowboys defense. They did not break 100 yards as a team in any of their first four games.

 

[Verdict]

So far in the second year of Brian Schottenheimer’s tenure, his overall record in 22 games as HC is 9-12-1. Obviously a lot more football to go this season and the NFC Least is shaping up to be a race for mediocrity, and we are just a game back. Plenty of time to get up off the mat.

There are two stats I ran across however that I think sums up what this team is most challenged with:
STAT ONE (Involving scoring)

• When Cowboys score less than 30 points, Schotty’s record is 1-10.
• When the Cowboys score 30 or more, Schotty’s record is 8-2-1.
• The NFL avg for pts per game for teams is 23.

STAT TWO (offensive possessions)

• Through 5 games, the Cowboys have the least number of offensive possessions with 45, or 9 possessions per game. League avg is 10.4 per game. Sea leads the league with 62 possessions or 12.4 possessions per game.
• When you have to score 30 or more to win, and you don’t get that many possessions in a game, your offense is in a place where it has to score almost every time it has the ball.

Through 22 games under Schotty, we have less than a 10% chance of winning if we score less than 30. Ouch.

The hope for improvement: GETTING TURNOVERS AND SHORT POSSESSIONS FROM OPPONENTS. Turnovers and extra stops from your defense give your offense extra possessions along with some short fields.

Without more TOs from our defense giving our offense more possessions, our offense will have to continue to score 30 or more each week to win.

Hopefully Mike Pettine can help Chris Parker dial up some stops and TOs.

Couple of points for you. I agree that we need stops and a positive turnover margin. If we get either or both, our offense might score 40 every game.

 

[kramskoi]

Agreed. Tampa had a clear strategy of dominating TOP, reducing the numberof possessions for the Cowboys.

Dallas held the ball for 20:39 compared to Tampa Bay's 39:21, almost 19 minutes more than the Cowboys. That strategy worked because they had 241 yards rushing.

SIX consecutive possessions of 6 plays or less (with only 3 pts to show for it) doesn't exactly help your defense. 25 minutes from the FG at the end of the second quarter to the touchdown in the fourth quarter with 5:30 to play. That's offensive malfeasance. The Cowboys largely lost this game in the 3rd quarter.

 

[Cmac]

We know the defense isnt good, so as an offense you are going to have to grind out long drives with a sustained succesful run game, which we do not have.

....but the other team's punter is generally laughing and looking at our cheerleaders for the most part. We applaud our defense for sporadic stops. Our defense is flexible though.....long drives or 2-play drives on the menu.

 

[blueblood70]

Here is the most sobering stat:

Mike McCarthy was 13-10 without Dak
Schotty is 9-13-1 with Dak

Sure, the defense was better with McCarthy, but the 2020 defense was terrible and Mike still went 4-5 with Dalton. Schotty has brought down the entire operation. And Jerry isn’t going to do a darn thing about it.

(McCarthy was 36-22 with Dak).

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen your cherry picking data without sure the defense was better you mean with Dan Quinn it was ridiculously better You know how many short fields and points that were added to those scores because of the pick six and all the interceptions and the sacks and even on special teams if you had a better memory and not just decided to throw your emotional flower on my screen yeah she just puked your feelings all over and it's all wrong,

If you win games when you get your defense giving you a bunch of short fields and getting the ball back to you a lot faster II don't even understand how you think this is Schottenheimer's deal he's the one calling the offense It's his fault Jerry's hired like 5 really bad defensive coordinators and having three historically bad defenses to start in a row how is that fair to Brian Schottenheimer to be handed a crap wagon..

Mike Mccarthy only won four games who gives a **** if it was with Dalton or not that was because of the defense just like we seen Mike Mccarthy win a game with Cooper Rush fumbling the ball twice and only throwing for 100 yards because the defense beat the Rams and special teams also lent in that game see you don't remember **** you just don't around little numbers that you cherry picked it's not true mike Mccarthy is not better than Brian Schottenheimer just because you say so the circumstances are completely different and there's no way to make a comparison unless you have a time machine to insert Brian Schottenheimer into those years..

But Brian Schottenheimer won 7 games with one of the worst defenses ever assembled in football His offense was historically great the start this year his offense has been historically great so in my opinion Brian Schottenheimer is probably a better play caller and designer of an offense than Mike Mccarthy They do have some similar players if you wanna keep using Prescott as an example I don't see how you said with and without Prescott actually mattered it was all about the defense and special teams now why don't you take your cherry picked and very wrong opinion and move it down the road somewhere..

So ridiculous you all countered your own argument by saying yeah they had better defense it wasn't just better they were considered top 10 defenses even though against better teams they weren't so great they lost those games by the way Mike Mccarthy getting slaughtered into Green Bay game and against the Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals look very much the same except he had a better defense what was his excuse?

Bring real data in here with all the facts and not the cherry picked ones mike Mccarthy lost a lot of games he should have won so let's go cherry pick those especially in the playoffs so I don't see the difference..

I mean did we leave out the 2024 season as if those first five games were the worst decisions I've ever seen a head coach make given the fact that he was also the one who didn't want Kellen Moore here That's right if you got to this area of my rant back at you you'd know that that was terrible He had a healthy Prescott and he chose to use some players that he shouldn't have and that was like horribly puked all over like it was like ridiculously bad and that's why he's got fired..

The way he handled 2024 was absolutely some of the worst coaching I've ever seen.. That being on the backside of the 2023 slaughter that his team wasn't prepared they were sloppy I mean I don't know what else to tell you mike Mccarthy wasn't better but his defenses were and that's why his team's records were better His defense carries some of those games without his offense doing a single thing.

Now show me that last year or so far this year and we're buying Schottenheimer's defense and special teams help carry the team to a win when his offense scored plenty of points to win a game hell that they're really good defenses in this league the Cowboys actually would have probably won the Tampa Bay game I mean 16 points can get you a win yeah they didn't play well on offense but I think that you have a very skewed perspective 'cause you don't like Brian Schottener but we what you should not like is how bad the defense and special teams have played and Brian Schottenheimer is doing all he can to make up for it with his offense..

 

[blueblood70]

SIX consecutive possessions of 6 plays or less (with only 3 pts to show for it) doesn't exactly help your defense. 25 minutes from the FG at the end of the second quarter to the touchdown in the fourth quarter with 5:30 to play. That's offensive malfeasance. The Cowboys largely lost this game in the 3rd quarter.

No it's not don't come in here acting a fool and thinking that you get away with just saying whatever you want The offense was not why they lost that game they have lost every game Because a bad defense the special teams and there is no other big words you could pick out It doesn't matter if they have to help the defense they shouldn't have to help the defense where's all the help last year and so far this year for the offense have to do historically set records with having very little possessions you know they have the least amount of possessions in the NFL and the only one is even close already had their bye week in Kansas City by far still scoring as many points as they do they should have won that game even in Tampa Bay had they had a better defense Yeah they lost in the 3rd quarter because of the defense.

No defenses are supposed to be there not just to stop another teams offense every now and again they're supposed to stop them every single drive they're supposed to keep the points down to zero if possible do you want to talk about semantics you're trying to cherry pick one game where the offense was subpar and they still scored 16 points and had a chance at the end But the defense once again finding a way to give up 24 to 34 points and that's why you're losing games and no help from special teams at all there are no short fields there are no turnovers you know the only defense in the NFL right now without a single interception and they're the lowest turnover rate they're giving up the most time of possession they are taking away possessions from the offense it's not the other way around..

Does it matter that the defense finally did their job on two or three drives oh wow a bunch of possessors where they finally made stops no what they didn't do is make enough stops and that's why we lost the game I see teams all the time can win games playing subpar offense and they get bailed out by defense and special teams 16 points can win you games in this league you know the Jaguars have had 10 straight games with their defenses given up 20 points or less A lot of them were 17 points or less would you like to go over the fact that the Ravens and the Bears those historically good defenses gave up less than 13 points a game wow we had one of those The Cowboys want to win against Tampa if they only gave up 13 points or 10 points or doing their job which would be giving up zero points you act like the offense just got shut out he did not get shut out it made a bunch of mistakes shot itself in the foot on a short week but the defense still lost that game..

Who should have won that game Scoring first up 7 to nothing the game should have been won 7 to zero there you go how about those semantics how about perspectives that can skew a narrative the defense has been awful and you're trying to make excuses and the only off game the Cowboys have had on offense so far and you're gonna cherry pick it to death no the defense still lost the game..

So teams never contributing anything..

This team has been one dimensional for Brian Schottenheimer's entire head coaching stint, Literally has the defensive special teams are doing nothing and somehow you're gonna cherry pick one bad game yeah it was a bad game all the way around the whole team the coaching staff and that's why changes are being made but you to stay here and say it's malfeasance like you're a lawyer no it's malfeasance since we hadn't had a good defense in so long I forgot what good defense is look like I get jealous I sit here getting a little chubby watching other teams give up less than 17 points and go man that must be nice that's what the Philadelphia Eagles get a lot they win games no matter how bad they play on offense because their defense special teams and coaching are better But don't blame our offense for only putting up 16 points that should have been enough...

 

[kskboys]

So far in the second year of Brian Schottenheimer’s tenure, his overall record in 22 games as HC is 9-12-1. Obviously a lot more football to go this season and the NFC Least is shaping up to be a race for mediocrity, and we are just a game back. Plenty of time to get up off the mat.

There are two stats I ran across however that I think sums up what this team is most challenged with:
STAT ONE (Involving scoring)

• When Cowboys score less than 30 points, Schotty’s record is 1-10.
• When the Cowboys score 30 or more, Schotty’s record is 8-2-1.
• The NFL avg for pts per game for teams is 23.

STAT TWO (offensive possessions)

• Through 5 games, the Cowboys have the least number of offensive possessions with 45, or 9 possessions per game. League avg is 10.4 per game. Sea leads the league with 62 possessions or 12.4 possessions per game.
• When you have to score 30 or more to win, and you don’t get that many possessions in a game, your offense is in a place where it has to score almost every time it has the ball.

Through 22 games under Schotty, we have less than a 10% chance of winning if we score less than 30. Ouch.

The hope for improvement: GETTING TURNOVERS AND SHORT POSSESSIONS FROM OPPONENTS. Turnovers and extra stops from your defense give your offense extra possessions along with some short fields.

Without more TOs from our defense giving our offense more possessions, our offense will have to continue to score 30 or more each week to win.

Hopefully Mike Pettine can help Chris Parker dial up some stops and TOs.

Of course. However this is strictly due to our D being horrific. When the other team is driving the field on almost every drive, you simply won't have the clock time for as many possessions.

 

[kskboys]

Maybe. The running game needs to improve to see that happen.

Which means we need more snaps under center and that isn't Dak's strong point.

 

[Cmac]

The Board is imploding.

 

[pancakeman]

The math is somewhat misleading by just looking at what the offense scored.

There were actually 10 games the team could have scored less than 30 and still won. And there are more times when they could have scored 30+ and lost.

It just so happens that in many of those games they could have scored less than 30 and still won, they scored 30+. Just because they did score 30+, doesn't mean they needed to.
And it happened there were some games they lost where the offense did not due well and the team would have lost, even at the league average points allowed. As in, they would have won if they scored 30, but they also could have won with 25.

That’s a good point.
I also think number of possessions isn’t as telling a stat as it seems. By definition number of your team’s possessions is always going to be tied to the number of the opponent’s—you can wish your team had two more possessions to try to score, but if they did that would mean the opponent had two more of their own and your defense would be even more pressed. Points per drive, rather than number of drives, is key.
(Admittedly good clock management at the ends of the half can buy you an extra possession vs. the opponent, and Schotty has indeed screwed that up before.)

 

[Smith22]

So far in the second year of Brian Schottenheimer’s tenure, his overall record in 22 games as HC is 9-12-1. Obviously a lot more football to go this season and the NFC Least is shaping up to be a race for mediocrity, and we are just a game back. Plenty of time to get up off the mat.

There are two stats I ran across however that I think sums up what this team is most challenged with:
STAT ONE (Involving scoring)

• When Cowboys score less than 30 points, Schotty’s record is 1-10.
• When the Cowboys score 30 or more, Schotty’s record is 8-2-1.
• The NFL avg for pts per game for teams is 23.

STAT TWO (offensive possessions)

• Through 5 games, the Cowboys have the least number of offensive possessions with 45, or 9 possessions per game. League avg is 10.4 per game. Sea leads the league with 62 possessions or 12.4 possessions per game.
• When you have to score 30 or more to win, and you don’t get that many possessions in a game, your offense is in a place where it has to score almost every time it has the ball.

Through 22 games under Schotty, we have less than a 10% chance of winning if we score less than 30. Ouch.

The hope for improvement: GETTING TURNOVERS AND SHORT POSSESSIONS FROM OPPONENTS. Turnovers and extra stops from your defense give your offense extra possessions along with some short fields.

Without more TOs from our defense giving our offense more possessions, our offense will have to continue to score 30 or more each week to win.

Hopefully Mike Pettine can help Chris Parker dial up some stops and TOs.

Yeah.

It just shows how embarrassingly bad the defense was last year and it might actually be worse thru 5 games this year.

 

[EGTuna]

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen your cherry picking data without sure the defense was better you mean with Dan Quinn it was ridiculously better You know how many short fields and points that were added to those scores because of the pick six and all the interceptions and the sacks and even on special teams if you had a better memory and not just decided to throw your emotional flower on my screen yeah she just puked your feelings all over and it's all wrong,

If you win games when you get your defense giving you a bunch of short fields and getting the ball back to you a lot faster II don't even understand how you think this is Schottenheimer's deal he's the one calling the offense It's his fault Jerry's hired like 5 really bad defensive coordinators and having three historically bad defenses to start in a row how is that fair to Brian Schottenheimer to be handed a crap wagon..

Mike Mccarthy only won four games who gives a **** if it was with Dalton or not that was because of the defense just like we seen Mike Mccarthy win a game with Cooper Rush fumbling the ball twice and only throwing for 100 yards because the defense beat the Rams and special teams also lent in that game see you don't remember **** you just don't around little numbers that you cherry picked it's not true mike Mccarthy is not better than Brian Schottenheimer just because you say so the circumstances are completely different and there's no way to make a comparison unless you have a time machine to insert Brian Schottenheimer into those years..

But Brian Schottenheimer won 7 games with one of the worst defenses ever assembled in football His offense was historically great the start this year his offense has been historically great so in my opinion Brian Schottenheimer is probably a better play caller and designer of an offense than Mike Mccarthy They do have some similar players if you wanna keep using Prescott as an example I don't see how you said with and without Prescott actually mattered it was all about the defense and special teams now why don't you take your cherry picked and very wrong opinion and move it down the road somewhere..

So ridiculous you all countered your own argument by saying yeah they had better defense it wasn't just better they were considered top 10 defenses even though against better teams they weren't so great they lost those games by the way Mike Mccarthy getting slaughtered into Green Bay game and against the Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals look very much the same except he had a better defense what was his excuse?

Bring real data in here with all the facts and not the cherry picked ones mike Mccarthy lost a lot of games he should have won so let's go cherry pick those especially in the playoffs so I don't see the difference..

I mean did we leave out the 2024 season as if those first five games were the worst decisions I've ever seen a head coach make given the fact that he was also the one who didn't want Kellen Moore here That's right if you got to this area of my rant back at you you'd know that that was terrible He had a healthy Prescott and he chose to use some players that he shouldn't have and that was like horribly puked all over like it was like ridiculously bad and that's why he's got fired..

The way he handled 2024 was absolutely some of the worst coaching I've ever seen.. That being on the backside of the 2023 slaughter that his team wasn't prepared they were sloppy I mean I don't know what else to tell you mike Mccarthy wasn't better but his defenses were and that's why his team's records were better His defense carries some of those games without his offense doing a single thing.

Now show me that last year or so far this year and we're buying Schottenheimer's defense and special teams help carry the team to a win when his offense scored plenty of points to win a game hell that they're really good defenses in this league the Cowboys actually would have probably won the Tampa Bay game I mean 16 points can get you a win yeah they didn't play well on offense but I think that you have a very skewed perspective 'cause you don't like Brian Schottener but we what you should not like is how bad the defense and special teams have played and Brian Schottenheimer is doing all he can to make up for it with his offense..

Ok, Mrs. Schottenheimer.