Tyrone Crawford is a Gem

[Idgit]

I hear your point. I might not like it, but I hear ya...the fact you looked up the avg. UDFAs that stick to a team deserves that.

It's kind of a thing where it depends where in the process you're looking at it. Going in, of course you want to hit on as many picks and as many CFAs as possible. Once you know what you've got, if you've got enough good players, it doesn't matter as much where they came from. If they can play.

I'll say this, though...Dallas has and should have a distinct advantage with the CFAs. We're a huge franchise, our owner will pay them, we get a lot of national spotlight games, we have recently lacked depth, and we're willing to play UDFAs. We've got probowl UDFAs right now, as a matter of fact. So, in a way, we're doing better than most in an area where we should, and underperforming (in 2012, anyway) in an area where we don't have a particular advantage. So, that seems a reasonable criticism of 2012, to me.

Fortunately, we followed that bad *draft* up with a good one in 2013 and what looks to be a pretty decent one in 2014, too.

 

[BigStar]

It's kind of a thing where it depends where in the process you're looking at it. Going in, of course you want to hit on as many picks and as many CFAs as possible. Once you know what you've got, if you've got enough good players, it doesn't matter as much where they came from. If they can play.

I'll say this, though...Dallas has and should have a distinct advantage with the CFAs. We're a huge franchise, our owner will pay them, we get a lot of national spotlight games, we have recently lacked depth, and we're willing to play UDFAs. We've got probowl UDFAs right now, as a matter of fact. So, in a way, we're doing better than most in an area where we should, and underperforming (in 2012, anyway) in an area where we don't have a particular advantage. So, that seems a reasonable criticism of 2012, to me.

Fortunately, we followed that bad *draft* up with a good one in 2013 and what looks to be a pretty decent one in 2014, too.

That is really where the disagreement boils down to for the most part. Some of us aren't so quick to overlook the missed selections to only save grace with UDFAs. More importantly, those UDFAs shouldn't be used as justification for the poor choices (direction really) earlier in the draft to leave the team with the talent on D it has today. You're saying look @ the whole to justify those misses. But you even stated, that only works on 1/1.8 players a season meaning it should not be used as a justification but more of the rare exception. That would be acceptable if this team wasn't so depleted on talent defensively but those misses have added up; just look at the DL try to pressure someone, secondary, etc.

 

[Idgit]

That is really where the disagreement boils down to for the most part. Some of us aren't so quick to overlook the missed selections to only save grace with UDFAs. More importantly, those UDFAs shouldn't be used as justification for the poor choices (direction really) earlier in the draft. Your saying look @ the whole to justify. But you even stated, that only works on 1/1.8 players a season meaning it should not be used as a justification but more of the rare exception. That would be okay if this team wasn't so depleted on talent defensively but those misses have add up; just look at the DL try to pressure someone, etc.

I get it. What I think we're seeing here is actually a trend toward generally better drafting with the actual picks, but it was a trend that took a dip in 2012 because of the Claiborne bust. So that curve of that line has some sway in it.
Whereas, when it comes to UDFA, we've done a pretty good job there relative to the rest of the league for some time, now, and that line has been pretty steadily sloped upward.
Which is good, because we've been unable to do anything worthwhile in VFA relative to the rest of the league, so that's an area where we're losing ground most of the time.

So, overall, we've had a talent poor roster in 2010 that we've had to replenish mostly through the regular draft--with no additional picks-- and UDFA, and where we've lost some of the talent we did have due to VFA (Ware, Hatcher) and aging. Which goes a long way towards explaining why it's been such a slow process.

 

[JeffInDC]

He's playing good at that weight, just leave him at that, remember we have had problems with players adding weight as trying to loose it, he stays at that we get a true 1-tech, add 1 FA pass rusher and another in draft.

I said he needed to gain weight because, when he was switched to 3T, he had made a comment about how he was down to 273 (I believe Broaddus reported that). No matter how good he's playing, playing every down inside at that weight could make him wear down faster. But, if he gains some good muscle (particularly lower body), it may help him. 285 is NOT a big jump for him - not like the almost 300 they had him listed at when he was a 5T.

 

[Zman5]

You didn't even know Wilber was on the roster?

Well, that explains a lot actually.

And your reply explains a lot as well.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Crawford has only scratched the surface...

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think I said any of that. My point was that, years ago, Larry Brown, Super Bowl MVP and starter on the dynasty teams, was a very late round pick. Probably around where Leary would have been picked if the draft was more than 7 rounds. So just because we signed Leary as a FA, to me, he was part of the draft class you were referring to. I don't how care we acquire the talent, as long as it gets on this roster.

But your point isn't the same as the point Zman was making. That's my point. Posters took his comments and ran with them.

 

[tyke1doe]

I hear you and I don't really disagree. Personally, I think zamn's posting history played a part in the responses he got. Had he not been overly critical of Garrett and unwilling to give him credit for just about anything, I don't think people would have felt like his comment was a veiled shot at Garrett or a shot at the people who say the team drafts well since Garrett got there.

The truth is, the interpersonal dynamics of this message board is just fascinating.

Fair enough. I guess I don't pay attention to posters that much - or maybe my interactions with them are so infrequent that I forget where they stand on certain issues - to remember all the time where they stand.

Thanks for enlightening me.

 

[tyke1doe]

Presumably, the higher a pick, the more likely they are to pan out. Which is why--before the draft--higher picks are worth a lot more. For the likelihood that they're going to pan out.
Once you get them on the roster, though, and see what you've got, it doesn't matter if you got the talented player in the first round, or you got him in free agency. What matters is whether or not you hit on the guy. What we're saying is we blew the analysis of the high probability guys, but hit on multiple long shots afterward that compensated for that. I mean, how much do you really care whether it's Danny Coale or Cole Beasley who ended up panning out? It really doesn't matter.

If you look at how NFL rosters are made up, you see a surprising number of guys across the league who come from the CFA route when compared to any of the other rounds. That's because, while the chances of each one of them making it are very small, the chances of any of them making it are pretty good, simply because there are so many of them.

I can understand what you're saying. I guess we're talking past each other. Anyway, I'm done. Besides, I'd rather bask in the fellowship of a successful season and enjoy it with fellow Cowboys fans than to find something to fight over. Peace.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Kid is good. I had no idea what we had in him, until this year. Anyone who had faith in him coming into this season, he's paid on that faith.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I said he needed to gain weight because, when he was switched to 3T, he had made a comment about how he was down to 273 (I believe Broaddus reported that). No matter how good he's playing, playing every down inside at that weight could make him wear down faster. But, if he gains some good muscle (particularly lower body), it may help him. 285 is NOT a big jump for him - not like the almost 300 they had him listed at when he was a 5T.

Good thing is he's weighed at that weight before, I think the 300 was listed think in training camp or mini camp he said the most he weighed was 290 somewhere there

 

[CCBoy]

He reminds me of Tony Casillas.

 

[AsthmaField]

Fair enough. I guess I don't pay attention to posters that much - or maybe my interactions with them are so infrequent that I forget where they stand on certain issues - to remember all the time where they stand.

Thanks for enlightening me.

Actually, more people should probably do it the way you are and simply read what is written and not let past experiences with that poster color what they are saying in that particular post.

Speaking for myself, I think I'll try to do just that.