Tyus Bowser

[pupulehaole]

Jesus... just watched his game vs Memphis..... It was bad.

 

[LatinMind]

If we pick him, he is a Leo and they want to use him like Irvin in Seattle IMO

The problem is Dallas doesnt use a leo. When use a 5th guy in a passrush its usually Lee or a CB. IM thinking thats why theres more talk bout Basham then any DE right now for Dallas.

Even then is he better then Tapper? I really hope Crawford starts the yr on PUP so Dallas could see what they got in these young players and any rookies they draft along the DL. If Crawford starts the yr active we arent going to see much. Once he went out, we got to see we had players in Irving Collins and Mayowa. Even Thornton started to show alot when his snaps were upped.

Im not saying this DL doesnt need more, but when Crawford and Lawrence were out this DEF avg'd 3 sacks a game. Just seems when they had young guys hungry for snaps the DEF had more opportunities to make plays. Sacks went up and TOs went up. Funny the exact same thing happened when Dez was out. The passing game was better because there were more routes being run that normally arent because you have to dedicate certain space for dez,

This team has young guys who are ready to step up. But this team is too dedicated to the alphas. Its clear they dont need to be dependent on them, but it seems like this team thinks it needs them to win. The same thing was going on with Romo. If Romo wasnt as hurt as he was, this team wouldve went back to him if he missed 4-6 weeks. I understand too its about the money being paid, because when given these contracts these players were them young guys.

I hope and think this might be the yr this team starts to get rid of these alphas, and goes to more of a NE philosophy, in just getting guys who do their job and know their job. And add in a great leader in QB.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Specifically this 2017 Draft has several real late round Gems at TE, in the DBackfield and at RB that will actually impact the NFL not only for years to come but also immediately this season.


In fact, Day 2 and 3 could trump day1.

Doh! TE not so much in the DL.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

The problem is Dallas doesnt use a leo. When use a 5th guy in a passrush its usually Lee or a CB. IM thinking thats why theres more talk bout Basham then any DE right now for Dallas.

Even then is he better then Tapper? I really hope Crawford starts the yr on PUP so Dallas could see what they got in these young players and any rookies they draft along the DL. If Crawford starts the yr active we arent going to see much. Once he went out, we got to see we had players in Irving Collins and Mayowa. Even Thornton started to show alot when his snaps were upped.

Im not saying this DL doesnt need more, but when Crawford and Lawrence were out this DEF avg'd 3 sacks a game. Just seems when they had young guys hungry for snaps the DEF had more opportunities to make plays. Sacks went up and TOs went up. Funny the exact same thing happened when Dez was out. The passing game was better because there were more routes being run that normally arent because you have to dedicate certain space for dez,

This team has young guys who are ready to step up. But this team is too dedicated to the alphas. Its clear they dont need to be dependent on them, but it seems like this team thinks it needs them to win. The same thing was going on with Romo. If Romo wasnt as hurt as he was, this team wouldve went back to him if he missed 4-6 weeks. I understand too its about the money being paid, because when given these contracts these players were them young guys.

I hope and think this might be the yr this team starts to get rid of these alphas, and goes to more of a NE philosophy, in just getting guys who do their job and know their job. And add in a great leader in QB.

I think we will find that Tapper, while having great straight line speed, is not the "bendy" athlete necessary for RDE in our scheme.

 

[Silverstar]

Pre draft numbers look very similar for Bowser and Miller. As you can see, Bowser matched or was better than Miller in 6 of the 10 categories I listed. However, the arms and cone times are pretty darn close folks. Bowser chose to run only the shuttle at his pro day, but I think he could have closed the gap on Miller's exceptional 40 time if he wanted. The main numbers to me are the 10 yard split and the 3 cone drill. Those two show their initial burst and ability to quickly bend the corner.

Tyus Bowser
6025 248
33 1/4 - arms
10 1/8 - hands
4.65 - 40 yds
1.59 -10 yds
21 - reps
37.5 - vertical
10'7" - broad
4.34 - shuttle (pro day)
6.75 - cone

Von Miller
6025 246
33 1/2 - arm
9 1/4 - hand
4.49 - 40 yds (pro day)
1.59 - 10 yds (pro day)
21 - reps
37 - vertical
10'6" - broad
4.06 - shuttle
6.70 - cone

 

[Gaede]

3-4

 

[Silverstar]

3-4

If Von Miller was a UFA and wanted to come play for Dallas, the answer is hell no cuz he's a 3-4 guy?

Riiiight

 

[Gaede]

If Von Miller was a UFA and wanted to come play for Dallas, the answer is hell no cuz he's a 3-4 guy?

Riiiight

That's a nonsensical comparison. In like 3 or 4 different ways.

 

[Alexander]

That's a nonsensical comparison. In like 3 or 4 different ways.

Absolutely.

There are too many people trying to force players like Bowser and Reddick into edge roles in four man fronts.

Both are prototypical 3-4 players.

I miss the 3-4 because of players like this.

Imagine if we ran a 3-4 and went into this draft?

A lot more options at 28.

 

[xwalker]

Absolutely.

There are too many people trying to force players like Bowser and Reddick into edge roles in four man fronts.

Both are prototypical 3-4 players.

I miss the 3-4 because of players like this.

Imagine if we ran a 3-4 and went into this draft?

A lot more options at 28.

I bought into that theory when Parcells was selling it. The net result was that they found 1 player (Ware) as a 3-4 OLB to rush the passer in all those years with Parcells, Rob Ryan and Wade Phillips.

 

[Silverstar]

Absolutely.

There are too many people trying to force players like Bowser and Reddick into edge roles in four man fronts.

Both are prototypical 3-4 players.

I miss the 3-4 because of players like this.

Imagine if we ran a 3-4 and went into this draft?

A lot more options at 28.

I disagree, I think if Mayowa can play RDE in our front and get 6 sacks, I don't see any reason why a player like Bowser can't have similar or better success.

Gotta have speed to get around that corner and be effective....Bowser has that ability.

 

[Alexander]

I bought into that theory when Parcells was selling it. The net result was that they found 1 player (Ware) as a 3-4 OLB to rush the passer in all those years with Parcells, Rob Ryan and Wade Phillips.

And what team gets more than one generational rusher?

 

[Alexander]

I disagree, I think if Mayowa can play RDE in our front and get 6 sacks, I don't see any reason why a player like Bowser can't have similar or better success.

Gotta have speed to get around that corner and be effective....Bowser has that ability.

I think you are massively overrating Mayowa's impact.

 

[Silverstar]

I bought into that theory when Parcells was selling it. The net result was that they found 1 player (Ware) as a 3-4 OLB to rush the passer in all those years with Parcells, Rob Ryan and Wade Phillips.

We wanted to bring back Ware too.

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/06/demarcus-ware-retirement-broncos-reflection/

 

[xwalker]

Jesus... just watched his game vs Memphis..... It was bad.

A lot of it is how they used him in the scheme.

It was obvious that he was coached to contain the outside run and let others worry about the inside run. He also dropped in coverage often and had to "read" the RB and take the RB in coverage. I think he would have looked much better in a less complicated scheme/position (i.e 4-3 DE).

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Absolutely.

There are too many people trying to force players like Bowser and Reddick into edge roles in four man fronts.

Both are prototypical 3-4 players.

I miss the 3-4 because of players like this.

Imagine if we ran a 3-4 and went into this draft?

A lot more options at 28.

Randy Gregory was 6'5" and 235 pounds when we drafted him to play RDE... Not commenting on the wisdom of the pick, but he was arguably a "prototypical 3-4" OLB too. Weak side pass rushers in Marinelli's scheme can be more slight, and have OLB traits. See Simeon Rice.

 

[tm1119]

Randy Gregory was 6'5" and 235 pounds when we drafted him to play RDE... Not commenting on the wisdom of the pick, but he was arguably a "prototypical 3-4" OLB too. Weak side pass rushers in Marinelli's scheme can be more slight, and have OLB traits. See Simeon Rice.

Do you honestly believe Rod had anything to do with the Gregory pick? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that pick was all Jerry.

And Simeon Rice was 260-65. The ideal weight for a RDE. If a player can't hold up against the run they can't be anything more than a situational pass rusher. Teams will run right at weak DE's who can't hold the edge. It's like the power hitter in baseball who can't field his position. The negatives cancel out the positives

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Do you honestly believe Rod had anything to do with the Gregory pick? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that pick was all Jerry.

And Simeon Rice was 260-65. The ideal weight for a RDE. If a player can't hold up against the run they can't be anything more than a situational pass rusher. Teams will run right at weak DE's who can't hold the edge. It's like the power hitter in baseball who can't field his position. The negatives cancel out the positives

Bowser is 245. He can easily add 10-15 pounds in an NFL weight program. It's about projecting what he will be in a couple of years, not necessarily what they are when they are a junior in college. If he has the athleticism necessary for the position, I'd take him over a guy like Taco. Wouldn't just take Taco because he's 277 right now.

 

[tm1119]

Bowser is 245. He can easily add 10-15 pounds in an NFL weight program. It's about projecting what he will be in a couple of years, not necessarily what they are when they are a junior in college. If he has the athleticism necessary for the position, I'd take him over a guy like Taco. Wouldn't just take Taco because he's 277 right now.

Sounds to me like you're very focused on finding a RDE of a certain mold only. Not everyone has to be a 265 lb track star to get to the QB. There's a lot more to being a good pass rusher than just being quick twitch and fast. Sure it helps, but Bowser would have A LOT to learn on both mentally and physically. Not saying he can't do it, but it's more of a gamble than I'm willing to take on a 1st round pick.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Sounds to me like you're very focused on finding a RDE of a certain mold only. Not everyone has to be a 265 lb track star to get to the QB. There's a lot more to being a good pass rusher than just being quick twitch and fast. Sure it helps, but Bowser would have A LOT to learn on both mentally and physically. Not saying he can't do it, but it's more of a gamble than I'm willing to take on a 1st round pick.

Im not focused on a speed rush mold RDE, but we can be sure Marinelli/McClay are. To them, that's what we are missing. We don't have one player that can bend the corner and pressure around the edge. Im just trying to predict what they will do. Not what I would prefer