UFC 110: Nogueira vs Velasquez

[Bob Sacamano]

Just read where he had a tear in his intestines and it was leaking into his body, which made him sick and caused him to get another illness. He said the treatment he recieved in Canada almost killed him.

That's gotta suck, swimming in your own crap.

 

[Jon88]

That's gotta suck, swimming in your own crap.

He was full of crap.

 

[Ren]

I wish Pride was was still around. The whole setup, especially the camera work, put the UFC to shame. It was so much better.

Those ridiculously over the top fighter presentations is what i miss the most, that and soccer kicks

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[Bob Sacamano]

He was full of crap.

:laugh2:

 

[Cover 2]

I wish Pride was was still around. The whole setup, especially the camera work, put the UFC to shame. It was so much better.

The entrances were defintely better.

 

[Jon88]

The entrances were defintely better.

I liked the camera work (everything was so crisp) and the ring too. It was much better than a fenced in octagon. The fighters didn't look all the same either as many do in the UFC.

Maybe Dream can get things going.

 

[Ren]

I liked the camera work (everything was so crisp) and the ring too. It was much better than a fenced in octagon. The fighters didn't look all the same either as many do in the UFC.

Maybe Dream can get things going.

Dream is going the wrong way, i thought for a while that they would eventually be the new Pride presentation wise and everything they're pretty much Pride with a new name, but the quality of fighters is getting worse not better and they've changed to a cage. They're barely staying afloat now and i wouldn't be surprised if Dream was gone by the end of the year, they currently have no scheduled events.

Sengoku seem to be growing though

 

[Rampage]

The entrances were defintely better.

so was just the overall presentation. better fighters, better fight cards, better events.

 

[Jon88]

so was just the overall presentation. better fighters, better fight cards, better events.

Pride had professional fighters. The UFC does too, but most are just tatooed punks who learned to fight at the bar. Not very many would have made it in Pride.

 

[Jon88]

Dream is going the wrong way, i thought for a while that they would eventually be the new Pride presentation wise and everything they're pretty much Pride with a new name, but the quality of fighters is getting worse not better and they've changed to a cage. They're barely staying afloat now and i wouldn't be surprised if Dream was gone by the end of the year, they currently have no scheduled events.

Sengoku seem to be growing though

They'll be out of business in no time if they don't copy what Pride did (minus losing their main TV sponsor).

 

[Cover 2]

Dream is going the wrong way, i thought for a while that they would eventually be the new Pride presentation wise and everything they're pretty much Pride with a new name, but the quality of fighters is getting worse not better and they've changed to a cage. They're barely staying afloat now and i wouldn't be surprised if Dream was gone by the end of the year, they currently have no scheduled events.

Sengoku seem to be growing though

Yeah, Dream doesn't have very good quality of fighters. Everyone talks about Aoki, but if he were to come to the UFC I don't even think he would be top 5. He would get knocked out on his feet, GnP'd, or just decisioned with wrestling.

Also I don't think they're doing well financially. I remember they never ended up paying Nick Diaz for fighting over there.

I liked the camera work (everything was so crisp) and the ring too. It was much better than a fenced in octagon. The fighters didn't look all the same either as many do in the UFC.

Maybe Dream can get things going.

It definitely had more of an entertainment feel to it. I wonder if maybe the UFC thought it too closely resembled pro wrestling so they decided not to do that. Either way I think that's a mistake the UFC has made.

so was just the overall presentation. better fighters, better fight cards, better events.

At the time I would say their fighters were better, but even removing the Pride guys now, the current UFC guys would be better. Mainly because Machida wasn't as good then as he is now and neither was Anderson Silva. Plus the UFC has BJ back now, and he is better than ever.

Then again they did have Fedor, a prime Big Nog, a prime Wanderlei, and a prime Cro Cop also so it definitely would have been close. I do think the UFC has more depth than Pride did though, but maybe that is due to the sport becoming more popular, so there is a bigger pool of fighters to choose from. That and the UFC is clearly the top dog of the MMA world.

 

[Jon88]

When Pride started it blew the UFC away. It took all of the UFC's good fighters. Some of them stayed, like Couture and Liddell, but most went to Japan for more money. I just can't believe it went bankrupt. Now we have this crap. Somebody needs to step up.

 

[Hostile]

So you would have no problem with a white guy writing "White Pride" as opposed to "White Power" on his chest?

There is a pretty big difference Bob.

Black Pride was a phrase to promote solidarity and had it's roots in the Civil Rights Movement. The Black Pride Movement was never founded upon being anti-White.

Brown Pride is a celebration of heritage.

On the other hand White Pride was absolutely meant to be anti-Black, Anti-semitic, and anti-anything other than White Anglo Saxon Protestant. It has been used primarily by separatists and supremacists.

The possibility White Pride could evolve into something less antagonistic might exist, but as of now I don't believe it does.

Of course if Hos likes a person, he can do no wrong in his eyes. Example. Roy Williams.

You've lost your mind. I know less than anyone posting in this thread or in the other MMA threads. I have been watching for less than a year I think. I don't know or like any of these guys as a person. There is a difference between that and liking how they fight.

Let me tell you the sum total of what I know about Cain Velasquez. He is 7-0 and wrestled at Arizona State. I have seen 2 of his fights and he has impressed me both times. Beyond that, I don't know squat about him.

 

[neosapien23]

Way too many of you guys are giving pride fighters way too much credit. Yes Pride was a good quality organization but their testing for steriods was non existant. Alot of their fighters like Mirko, Wanderlei, and Noguira have all gotten their assess handed to them by UFC fighters. The only fighters that Pride had that were much better than UFC fighters were Fedor and Silva and Fedor fought for other organizations so I wouldn't call him a pride product.

 

[NeonNinja]

Way too many of you guys are giving pride fighters way too much credit. Yes Pride was a good quality organization but their testing for steriods was non existant. Alot of their fighters like Mirko, Wanderlei, and Noguira have all gotten their assess handed to them by UFC fighters. The only fighters that Pride had that were much better than UFC fighters were Fedor and Silva and Fedor fought for other organizations so I wouldn't call him a pride product.

This.

 

[Hoofbite]

Way too many of you guys are giving pride fighters way too much credit. Yes Pride was a good quality organization but their testing for steriods was non existant. Alot of their fighters like Mirko, Wanderlei, and Noguira have all gotten their assess handed to them by UFC fighters. The only fighters that Pride had that were much better than UFC fighters were Fedor and Silva and Fedor fought for other organizations so I wouldn't call him a pride product.

Why do people even get worked up over Pride Vs. UFC?

Don't understand it. Seems ridiculous.

 

[Ren]

Way too many of you guys are giving pride fighters way too much credit. Yes Pride was a good quality organization but their testing for steriods was non existant. Alot of their fighters like Mirko, Wanderlei, and Noguira have all gotten their assess handed to them by UFC fighters. The only fighters that Pride had that were much better than UFC fighters were Fedor and Silva and Fedor fought for other organizations so I wouldn't call him a pride product.

I'd say a healthy Shogun is better then most UFC fighters and in a few short months he'll prove it by taking the title that should be his already. He was really the only young up and coming fighter that came over when pride was bought out, he was by many considered the best LHW fighter in the world before his injury and he's arguably the best LHW fighter in the world right now as well.

Crocop, Nog and Vanderlei Silva all had their best years in Pride and in MMA you usually don't sit at the top for very long so it's not really a surprise that these guys are all on the decline now.

In it's prime Pride was better then the UFC i don't know how this could even be debatable. In the early 00s and late 90s the UFC was nothing more then a stepping stone to get into Pride. I remember the UFC sending Chuck over there when he was tearing trough the UFC and Chuck got his *** whooped bad by Rampage who at the time was just a middle of the pack fighter in Pride.

There where a ton of former UFC champs going there as well who never managed to do much. Don Frye, Ken Shamrock, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randalman and Josh Barnett where all at one point UFC champs. You can look at those names now and laugh but 10 years ago when they where all making the jump to Pride they where all considered the cream of MMA and where all in Pride, some times even on the same fight card. Mean while the top dogs in the UFC was people Like Chuck, Silvia and Arlovski and we've all seen how they fared when matched up with Pride guys.

Why do people even get worked up over Pride Vs. UFC?

Don't understand it. Seems ridiculous.

Nostalgia, Pride was awesome and Pride fighters remind you of the good old days. Having followed a lot of these fighters for years it's easy to pull for them

 

[neosapien23]

I'd say a healthy Shogun is better then most UFC fighters and in a few short months he'll prove it by taking the title that should be his already. He was really the only young up and coming fighter that came over when pride was bought out, he was by many considered the best LHW fighter in the world before his injury and he's arguably the best LHW fighter in the world right now as well.

Crocop, Nog and Vanderlei Silva all had their best years in Pride and in MMA you usually don't sit at the top for very long so it's not really a surprise that these guys are all on the decline now.

In it's prime Pride was better then the UFC i don't know how this could even be debatable. In the early 00s and late 90s the UFC was nothing more then a stepping stone to get into Pride. I remember the UFC sending Chuck over there when he was tearing trough the UFC and Chuck got his *** whooped bad by Rampage who at the time was just a middle of the pack fighter in Pride.

There where a ton of former UFC champs going there as well who never managed to do much. Don Frye, Ken Shamrock, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randalman and Josh Barnett where all at one point UFC champs. You can look at those names now and laugh but 10 years ago when they where all making the jump to Pride they where all considered the cream of MMA and where all in Pride, some times even on the same fight card. Mean while the top dogs in the UFC was people Like Chuck, Silvia and Arlovski and we've all seen how they fared when matched up with Pride guys.



If you compare Pride in its Prime vs the UFC right now, the UFC fares really well. Your right when Pride was up and running it was superior to the UFC of 7 years ago, but the UFC right now is better than Pride. The UFC has the best heavyweights right now with the exception of Fedor. The have arguably the best pound for pound fighters in Silva, Penn and St. Pierre who will wax anyone's *** in their division. Shogun is now in the UFC so you have to call that a wash. While you are right about Shogun beating Machida, Machida easily beats an overrated Wanderlei Silva and I think Cain Velazquez proved how the UFC has evolved by KOing a still good Noguira who also got owned by Mir. The only fighter that pushes Pride past the UFC is Fedor, but he has fought for alot of other organizations so I wouldn't call him a Pride fighter.

 

[CATCH17]

UFC > Pride

AAANNND ITs alllll overrrr

 

[Ren]

UFC > Pride

AAANNND ITs alllll overrrr

Ironically the UFC wasn't really that good until they bought Pride. If Pride was still around i'm not so sure the UFC would be what it has become.

Pride in it's prime was at the very least (i'm being modest here) equal to the UFC right now