UFC 110: Nogueira vs Velasquez

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If you compare Pride in its Prime vs the UFC right now, the UFC fares really well. Your right when Pride was up and running it was superior to the UFC of 7 years ago, but the UFC right now is better than Pride. The UFC has the best heavyweights right now with the exception of Fedor. The have arguably the best pound for pound fighters in Silva, Penn and St. Pierre who will wax anyone's *** in their division. Shogun is now in the UFC so you have to call that a wash. While you are right about Shogun beating Machida, Machida easily beats an overrated Wanderlei Silva and I think Cain Velazquez proved how the UFC has evolved by KOing a still good Noguira who also got owned by Mir. The only fighter that pushes Pride past the UFC is Fedor, but he has fought for alot of other organizations so I wouldn't call him a Pride fighter.
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If you compare Machida to Silva today then yes, but Silva of 5 years ago, no way. His time on top came to an end while he was still in Pride. Compare how he used to fight before crocop KO'd him to how he's fought since and you'll see a clear difference. He's not as fast, accurate and aggressive as he once was. When he was at the top of his game he was a lot like Shogun and probably better and when you consider how the Machida Shogun fight went it's hard to see a way Machida could have beaten him
 
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Machida is about to get exposed.

Shogun proved that all you have to do is stay patient with him and figure out his timing. If you do that then you can work him like a rag doll.

Rampage would knock Machida silly and I think Rashad would beat him in a rematch if he didn't act like a clown next time.
 
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Dash28;3284343 said:
I have np with your opinion that Pride was better while UFC was just establishing their name. Also, Shogun did win that fight with Machida and i'm a UFC guy. You almost make it sound like the UFC has zero talent. Shogun came over and got beat by Griffin who is struggling pretty good in every fight. I can't wait for Fedor to come to the UFC and fight because I don't think he's fought the best competition yet. He beat Nog twice by decision and CroCop. He was hurt in his last two fights with Rogers and PitBull but he did eventually stop them. I'm not trying to take away from what he has accomplished but I just think he hasn't fought the top competition. Sure he could sign and beat the likes of Brock, Cain, Carwin, or even Mir but I don't see it happening.
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The UFC was establishing it self for an awful long time considering it's been around since the early 90s, Pride didn't even exist when the UFC first started out so it's not like it was an established brand going up against the new kid. For a while Pride just did things better but as is often the case with MMA in Japan it was corrupt as hell and didn't last. I'm not bashing the UFC or their talent by saying this, All i'm saying is that for the majority of it's existence Pride was simply a better product. I've probably been following MMA longer then most people here i remember when the only way to watch it here was to go to a martial arts equipment store in town and buy 50$ bootleg Russian VHS UFC tapes they had in a drawer under the counter. That was UFC 1 trough 19 for me before i had better options.

Shogun lost coming off an injury he had no business even taking that fight same goes for the Coleman fight, Griffin would get ktfo if he was to fight a healthy Shogun. I think the Machida fight was an eye opener for a lot of people, but for anyone who ever watched him before he got hurt it didn't come as a surprise, the only surprise that night was the piss poor judges

As for Fedor not having faced top competition all i can do is laugh, how many former UFC champs does he have to beat before you people start giving him some respect? you know, all the guys you guys where saying he couldn't beat when they where UFC champs...

Look at the who's who in HW mma the last 10 years and you'll find most of their names on Fedors win list, Who has Brock beaten in his 5 fights since we're supposed to consider him so much better then all who's came before him?

Frank Mir top competition? take away his win over Nog when Nog was battling an infection and was out of shape and you're left with guys like Tank Abbott, honestly his list of wins isn't that much more impressive then a Brett Rodgers. If he wasn't under contract with the UFC he wouldn't be considered top competition either
 
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Has anyone seen a youtube of the Velasquez fight yet? Since it crashed for me I haven't seen any of it.
 
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UFC fights get taken down almost instantly when they're posted on youtube.

I'll have a quick look around and see if i can find it somewhere else, i'll post a link if i find it
 
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Cain impresses me more and more every time I watch him.

I was SO glad that Bisping lost. I can't stand that guy.
 
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Hostile;3284446 said:
Thanks. He was throwing punches with his head down. That was a lucky punch. Solid, but lucky.
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Yeah that's the thing. I've sort of moved beyond just hoping someone gets knocked out.

I think the win would have been a bit more impressive if it had gone longer and you could actually see Cain's skills in other aspects. It was clear he was faster from the minute the bell rung, I was hoping to see some ground work before the finish.

Kind of makes it hard for me to gauge the skills of a fighter if he just happens to catch a guy on the button early in round 1.
 
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TheCount;3284516 said:
Yeah that's the thing. I've sort of moved beyond just hoping someone gets knocked out.

I think the win would have been a bit more impressive if it had gone longer and you could actually see Cain's skills in other aspects. It was clear he was faster from the minute the bell rung, I was hoping to see some ground work before the finish.

Kind of makes it hard for me to gauge the skills of a fighter if he just happens to catch a guy on the button early in round 1.
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I can't disagree with a word of that.
 
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Bob Sacamano;3283890 said:
I'm not talking about any racist organization. Just a white guy simply proud to be white. That wouldn't fly, and neither should this Brown Pride crap.

Of course if Hos likes a person, he can do no wrong in his eyes. Example. Roy Williams.
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You can blame stupid, racist, ignorant, morons, who happened to be white, for the fact that you can't go around being proud that you're white.

There is a whole world of difference in those phrases and White Pride or White Power and that's because of the ******* whites who ruined that for you.

So if you're real unhappy about that then you should take it up with those folks who ruined it for you.
 
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