UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez

[TheCount]

I go through love and hate bouts with Diego, and the fact that he admits to being a bit of a turd recently certainly validates that. I'll always have a special place for him and Clay Guida though, their fight was amazing.

 

[playmakers]

Regardless, I want to see a rematch. If Lesnar would had won this fight and would had beaten Da Santos and Carwin in a rematch he was on his way to Mike Tyson status from the late 80s early 90s.

I was with alot of you when Lesnar came in the ring he looked about 50 pounds of muscle heavier than Cain. As soon as Brock got the first take down I was like its over. I think Lesnar made the mistake of moving to side control instead of just laying on top of him for a minute or two to wear him out. Cain got out easy and took control.

One thing that helped Cain was training with Daniel Cormier. I beileve he's kind of the younger version of Brock. I never seen the guy fight but just heard stories of him from other top fighters like Rashard Evans who said thats the only guy he could not take down in his camp and I beileve Shane Carwin is in that camp.

 

[TheDallasDon]

I just don't see Cain being the top dog for very long.

1 or 2 defenses and I think there will be a new champion by then.

Nope. Wrong Cain will get destroyed by my faviorte MMA fighter Jouior Dos Santos




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[Boom]

I go through love and hate bouts with Diego, and the fact that he admits to being a bit of a turd recently certainly validates that. I'll always have a special place for him and Clay Guida though, their fight was amazing.

Every time I start to dislike Diego, I think back to when he knocked out that arrogant POS Karo Parisyan's tooth and I like him again.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Regardless, I want to see a rematch. If Lesnar would had won this fight and would had beaten Da Santos and Carwin in a rematch he was on his way to Mike Tyson status from the late 80s early 90s.

Instead he's 5-2 as a professional fighter, and probably should have been 4-3 if Carwin didn't gas himself out repeatedly punching Brock in the face so many times. Brock came into the UFC HW division when there was a huge void of good talent in it's prime, but with the influx of Carwin, Cain and JDS that's changed. I think he's the 4th best fighter in his division, worse than that if Dana can get someone like Overeem or Fedor to come over anytime soon. Brock is 33 years old and chasing younger, better fighters. He'll still be a big PPV draw, but I don't think he'll ever challenge for a HW championship again.

Tyson is a pretty good comparison. Both of them relied on intimidation and brute force to try to win the fight in the two minutes, but if they couldn't get the early knockout they got that "Oh crap, what do I do now?" look on their face.

 

[Hostile]

Nope. Wrong Cain will get destroyed by my faviorte MMA fighter Jouior Dos Santos




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I am a novice to this sport, but that was not impressive. So he pounded a tub of goo. Cain pounded Lesnar a lot worse and I am pretty sure that tub of goo could not last a round with Brock.

 

[TheDallasDon]

I am a novice to this sport, but that was not impressive. So he pounded a tub of goo. Cain pounded Lesnar a lot worse and I am pretty sure that tub of goo could not last a round with Brock.

hes got way more then that and that "Tub Of Goo" is 1 of the top 10 best HW in the game so that is impressive

 

[the kid 05]

Every time I start to dislike Diego, I think back to when he knocked out that arrogant POS Karo Parisyan's tooth and I like him again.

Everytime i see his name i think of him singing "my judo throws are the best judo throws in the world, all the other judo throws are done by little girls"

 

[Hostile]

hes got way more then that and that "Tub Of Goo" is 1 of the top 10 best HW in the game so that is impressive

I guess the top 10 could be really diluted.

Still not impressive to me.

 

[Temo]

hes got way more then that and that "Tub Of Goo" is 1 of the top 10 best HW in the game so that is impressive

Top 10 HW isn't nearly as impressive as it seems you're trying to make it look.

 

[TheCount]

Cain's trainer has already admitted that Dos Santos has better boxing than Cain. I think it'll be a good fight.

Dos Santos hasn't really been taken down, I think that changes with Cain.

 

[TheCount]

Every time I start to dislike Diego, I think back to when he knocked out that arrogant POS Karo Parisyan's tooth and I like him again.

Oh god, if I made a list of my most hated fighters, Karo is probably tops on that list. I can't stand that idiot.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Cain's trainer has already admitted that Dos Santos has better boxing than Cain. I think it'll be a good fight.

Dos Santos hasn't really been taken down, I think that changes with Cain.

Dos Santos is faster, stronger, quicker, better hands, good ground game BJJ, if he imroves his takedown defence Cain as no chance

 

[Cover 2]

Dos Santos is faster, stronger, quicker, better hands, good ground game BJJ, if he imroves his takedown defence Cain as no chance

Cain's wrestling is much better than Cigano's BJJ. Dos Santos is an immensely talented stand up fighter though. Cain would still win though due to superior ground skills.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Cain's wrestling is much better than Cigano's BJJ. Dos Santos is an immensely talented stand up fighter though. Cain would still win though due to superior ground skills.

He's a black belt under the Nogueira Brothers, and they don't just hand out belts like its candy.

With that said its hard 2 judge JDS BJJ cuz he has never been 2 the ground he has great defence, and KO's people before we get a chance 2 see it.

Agian 2 say Cain has better Ground game is just a gess and the ty should go 2 BJJ IMO

 

[The Horned Frog]

He's a black belt under the Nogueira Brothers, and they don't just hand out belts like its candy.

You're partially right.

JDS is only a brown belt under the Nogueiras. However, you are right in the sense that they are notoriously stingy when it comes to handing out black belts, and you really have to earn your stripes to get one from them. Put Dos Santos in just about any other camp, he's a black belt by now.

Also, for those who overlooked his win over Roy Nelson, and aren't impressed with him because he doesn't "look the part", don't judge a book by it's cover. Roy Nelson is a very good fighter, with a good ground game and solid Jiu Jitsu. He's no slouch whatsoever.

In terms of predicting, I think Velasquez is able to beat Dos Santos. JDS has never faced a wrestler like Velasquez, and has been put on his back outside of the UFC by lesser grapplers. I expect a five round takedown and top position clinic by Velasquez and a decision win. Cain has a granite chin, and can take a punch (Cheick Kongo teed off on him and would have dropped anyone else with his punches, Velasquez shrugged them off), however he's smart enough to know that standing with Dos Santos isn't smart strategy.

On top of things, JDS' jiu jitsu is built to work submissions off top control. He's not a guy who has a high repitore of submissions off his back, or in defense. Certain fighters, like Fabricio Werdum and Jacare, are efficient with subs off their back. JDS isn't one who is, and that's where he's going to spend a large majority of the fight with Velasquez, fighting off his back.

I think Velasquez is going to be a tough win for anyone. He's got great wrestling, is nearly impossible to take down and keep down. He can take a punch and dish them out just as well. He's got good submission defense and a solid skillset there himself (although we've never got to see it in use).

It's going to be a nice fight, but I got Velasquez winning by decisive decision.

Also, as for Diego, the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving Greg Jackson's camp to begin with. Jackson made him a much better fighter, and he never looked the same in his two plus years he spent outside of there. The Sanchez we saw at UFC 121 was the one who plowed through the competition on The Ultimate Fighter 1. Part of that reason? Greg Jackson.

Jake Sheids needs one more fight in the UFC before he should get a title shot. Put him in there with Jon Fitch, and give the winner the shot. It may not be the most stylistically enjoyable fight, but it's the one that makes the most sense. Fitch has long been considered the #2 WW in the UFC, and if Shields can beat him, there's no dispute he deserves the shot. His win over Kampmann (which was the right decision by the judges) was inconclusive.

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[BrAinPaiNt]

I go through love and hate bouts with Diego, and the fact that he admits to being a bit of a turd recently certainly validates that. I'll always have a special place for him and Clay Guida though, their fight was amazing.

Yes that fight was amazing. I love watching both of those guys fight because they go 100% non stop and their cardio is amazing and when they fought each other it was insane.

Anyone that likes non stop action, never say die attitude and great cardio in fights...try and find the Diego Sanchez vs Clay Guida fight...you will not be disappointed.

 

[TheCount]

Dos Santos is faster, stronger, quicker, better hands, good ground game BJJ, if he imroves his takedown defence Cain as no chance

Cain's gonna take him down at some point, it's an inevitability. We've never really seen JDS on the ground like that, so I'm interested to see his BJJ skills.

There's no doubt that JDS would prefer to stand though, it's in his best interest to get up rather than try and submit Cain.

I've got no vested interest in who wins since I like both fighters, should be a good fight. To me this is a much more interesting fight (as opposed to circus attraction) than Cain vs Brock or really anyone vs Brock.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I am a novice to this sport, but that was not impressive. So he pounded a tub of goo. Cain pounded Lesnar a lot worse and I am pretty sure that tub of goo could not last a round with Brock.

That tub of goo is a seriously tough fighter that people often over look. He's not the best but he's certainly no push over.

Junior is also the guy who knocked out Fabricio (I hope I spelled that right). People might remember him as the guy who recently defeated Fedor.

Yeah, that Junior guy, he's pretty good.

A fight between him and Cain would be outstanding.

Cain is dang good. Anyone trying to take that away from him is crazy. The guy can go. I like him a lot.

Lesnar will be back. I don't see how people can continue to dog him and act like he can't do anything at all. He's still a relative novice when it comes to MMA and has plenty of talent and upside. He's got a long way to go, without a doubt, but he does have the ability to get there again.

I wouldn't count him out.

Maybe that's just me.