UFC 184

[StarBoyz83]

No, really. I grew up an athlete. I find women like her absolutely gorgeous. She has just enough muscle, and a pretty face to boot. I love ladies like Alex Morgan (soccer), and Wozniaki (tennis). Just hot!

Your not the only one. A lot of people think shes hot. I just think shes cute for a fighter.

 

[jterrell]

I wouldn't call Ronda "cute" but her body is tremendous and overall she is a very attractive package which is why she made SI Swimsuit. That is a work of art and she uses it to destroy. Her attitude is definitely nasty but it matches her job and that bad reputation walk out song might be the best match up in fighting history... (maybe calif kid for faber or kick door for frankie).


And rushing Ronda was dumb but there was zero way Zingano was winning. I think she went for the quick rush to insure she didn't get injured to be honest.
No other reason to use that dumb of a gameplan. What's clear is as soon as Zingano was within reach she was gonna get tapped. Her physical strength did zero to slow Ronda's technique.

Until someone beats her, betting against her is just spitting into the wind.

Nothing wrong with liking underdogs but you gotta respect the champ. Holds record now for quickest championship win and that's over an undefeated top tanked opponent, not some spare.

Cyborg at 140 or starting bringing some dudes in to fight her... and she practices with guys regularly... and they tap.

 

[Risen Star]

Your not the only one. A lot of people think shes hot. I just think shes cute for a fighter.

I think she's a good looking woman. But I honestly couldn't care less about that. I marvel at her fighting ability. She's an assassin.

 

[Risen Star]

Yep, about the fight I figured would happen. Ronda is just, wow. She says she could take Mayweather out by just getting him off his feet. I believe her.

If she could get Mayweather off his feet then it's a completely one sided destruction. She would literally tap him out in seconds. The only question with that fantasy match up is could Mayweather maintain distance and make it a pure boxing contest, which he would obviously dominate.

 

[Risen Star]

Well within the first minute of the fight it was the first time she has been charged, but to play into Ronda's game just makes it easier for her. It is the equivalent of crawling into the guard of a Gracie, it shouldn't happen. In both of Miesha's fights against Ronda, whenever she had some success on the fight she attempted a sloppy run at Ronda takedown resulting in getting hip tossed each time. I would think that fighters gameplanning for a fight with Ronda, would avoid giving her the hip toss on a silver platter. They all know her Judo background, but they still insist on doing it.

Ronda's weakness is in the standup game and when she gets overly aggressive, where she gets tagged. Liz Carmouche should of ended her with RNC in that fight due to her recklessness.

I still believe Zingano can beat Rousey as long as she remains disciplined.

I admit that I don't like Rousey, no shame in that. She is a great athlete in a VERY shallow division. The reason the division is so shallow is because WMMA is still very young, and hasn't had time to develop talent globally yet. When you put Olympic level talent in the cage with women who refuse to fight intelligently, we will continue to see sub ~1 minute finishes.

Yeah, you obviously hate Rousey by your comments. She didn't luckily end up on top position for the arm bar against Zingano. She countered her throw to end up on top. You mention the Gracies. You should check out the recent Gracie breakdown on Youtube where they go over what happened and why 99.999% of fighters wouldn't have finished Zingano in that scenario. But Ronda is a different breed.

Carmouche SHOULD have finished her? Why? She never even sunk the choke in. It was a neck crank. While on the feet. This is your hate speaking. Good defense isn't a product of luck.

At least most fans now know Zingano is hopelessly over matched and I won't have to deal with that complete nonsense the last month of how competitive this is going to be. This had quick finish written all over it. She'll get her rematch and she'll get smoked again.

I'm not sure the division is really lacking top fighters. I think this might just be a case of one fighter being light years ahead of the rest. Tate, McMann, Zingano, Davis, Kaufman, these ladies are legit. You take Ronda out of the equation and I think you have a really competitive division at the top with a lot of great close fights for the belt.

 

[Rockport]

Yeah, you obviously hate Rousey by your comments. She didn't luckily end up on top position for the arm bar against Zingano. She countered her throw to end up on top. You mention the Gracies. You should check out the recent Gracie breakdown on Youtube where they go over what happened and why 99.999% of fighters wouldn't have finished Zingano in that scenario. But Ronda is a different breed.

Carmouche SHOULD have finished her? Why? She never even sunk the choke in. It was a neck crank. While on the feet. This is your hate speaking. Good defense isn't a product of luck.

At least most fans now know Zingano is hopelessly over matched and I won't have to deal with that complete nonsense the last month of how competitive this is going to be. This had quick finish written all over it. She'll get her rematch and she'll get smoked again.

I'm not sure the division is really lacking top fighters. I think this might just be a case of one fighter being light years ahead of the rest. Tate, McMann, Zingano, Davis, Kaufman, these ladies are legit. You take Ronda out of the equation and I think you have a really competitive division at the top with a lot of great close fights for the belt.

During the Ultimate Fighter season when Rousey was a coach they brought her Mom in for a talk and some tips. She's as scary as her daughter is and you can easily see and understand Rhonda better from that episode. She's a beast and more than likely will never be defeated. Certainly not by Zingano.

 

[zrinkill]

Miesha Tate is cuter than Ronda ...... and also the only one who has given her a real fight.

But there is no one in Womens MMA who can take Ronda if she is even 80% on her game.

 

[Szczepanik]

Yeah, you obviously hate Rousey by your comments. She didn't luckily end up on top position for the arm bar against Zingano. She countered her throw to end up on top. You mention the Gracies. You should check out the recent Gracie breakdown on Youtube where they go over what happened and why 99.999% of fighters wouldn't have finished Zingano in that scenario. But Ronda is a different breed.

Carmouche SHOULD have finished her? Why? She never even sunk the choke in. It was a neck crank. While on the feet. This is your hate speaking. Good defense isn't a product of luck.

At least most fans now know Zingano is hopelessly over matched and I won't have to deal with that complete nonsense the last month of how competitive this is going to be. This had quick finish written all over it. She'll get her rematch and she'll get smoked again.

I'm not sure the division is really lacking top fighters. I think this might just be a case of one fighter being light years ahead of the rest. Tate, McMann, Zingano, Davis, Kaufman, these ladies are legit. You take Ronda out of the equation and I think you have a really competitive division at the top with a lot of great close fights for the belt.

Carmouche should have finished her

In the fight Ronda got over aggressive and gave up her back. Figure 4 body lock just about in and neck was exposed hands not even guarding the RNC. Carmouche instead of fishing for the RNC decided to neck crank which was an awful decision. What makes it a horrible decision? When performing the neck crank you want to twist your own body( and opponents) in the opposite direction of the crank . You get an incredible amount of torque and range on the crank that way, but is nearly impossible to do standing up due to the lack of support you can get off the mat. A more skilled fighter in BJJ would of probably finished her. Very vulnerable spot. That is why I believe Ronda almost got finished.

I just don't believe that the shallow talent pool in WMMA currently can expose the flaws in Ronda's game. Ronda is excellent, but not without flaws. I think there are some well rounded fighters in WMMA like the names you mentioned, but they don't truly excel in one area like Ronda does. Most champions excel in one specific area (Ronda) , but I can't name another female fighter that excels in one area in particular. Her opponents are just generally well rounded, and are tough. That is why I think it is a shallow division personally.

Ronda is far ahead of her competition I'll agree but she has that Olympic background, top training team, and the $$ to bring in the best training partners in the world. She will continue to get better. Her opposition on the other hand doesn't have that luxury, so Ronda can keep improving at a faster rate than her competition.

Not a fan of Ronda, but I don't deny her talent. I've known about Ronda before she even started MMA. *I live 15 minutes down from the Olympic Training Center in Colorado * Big judo community down here.

 

[Szczepanik]

I'm not sure the division is really lacking top fighters. I think this might just be a case of one fighter being light years ahead of the rest. Tate, McMann, Zingano, Davis, Kaufman, these ladies are legit. You take Ronda out of the equation and I think you have a really competitive division at the top with a lot of great close fights for the belt.

In all fairness if you do that to most of the division champions, you have a very competitive division

Example : When GSP retired .

 

[jterrell]

Carmouche should have finished her

In the fight Ronda got over aggressive and gave up her back. Figure 4 body lock just about in and neck was exposed hands not even guarding the RNC. Carmouche instead of fishing for the RNC decided to neck crank which was an awful decision. What makes it a horrible decision? When performing the neck crank you want to twist your own body( and opponents) in the opposite direction of the crank . You get an incredible amount of torque and range on the crank that way, but is nearly impossible to do standing up due to the lack of support you can get off the mat. A more skilled fighter in BJJ would of probably finished her. Very vulnerable spot. That is why I believe Ronda almost got finished.

I just don't believe that the shallow talent pool in WMMA currently can expose the flaws in Ronda's game. Ronda is excellent, but not without flaws. I think there are some well rounded fighters in WMMA like the names you mentioned, but they don't truly excel in one area like Ronda does. Most champions excel in one specific area (Ronda) , but I can't name another female fighter that excels in one area in particular. Her opponents are just generally well rounded, and are tough. That is why I think it is a shallow division personally.

Ronda is far ahead of her competition I'll agree but she has that Olympic background, top training team, and the $$ to bring in the best training partners in the world. She will continue to get better. Her opposition on the other hand doesn't have that luxury, so Ronda can keep improving at a faster rate than her competition.

Not a fan of Ronda, but I don't deny her talent. I've known about Ronda before she even started MMA. *I live 15 minutes down from the Olympic Training Center in Colorado * Big judo community down here.

various:
You can see in your pic Carmouche wasn't gonna finish Ronda there regardless. Look at Ronda's technique with chin down, shoulder up and hands flexed pulling apart Carmouche's feet, engaging her core.
That image is a partial but if it was full you'd see Carmouche hung up there as Ronda stayed standing for about 15 seconds than got shook off.
After that Ronda got Liz in a headlock and punched her in the face repeatedly for 3 minutes til the round was near end then she simply arm-barred her for another first round finish.

One thing to keep in mind is Ronda was one of the broke fighters when she signed her UFC contract.
She literally had multiple jobs to make ends meet.
She has not changed teams or moved to one of the top groups.
She's trained with the Armenians the entire time.
She was a boxing coach and she did train with that group but that was not a cost thing. They simply respect her.

There is no additional Judo training for her to get. She was a prized pupil of the country's best.
Her boxing is really coming along but she seldom has a chance to show it.

I would be really interesting to see her fight Cyborg but Bethe Correia would probably get her arm broken.
And Carmouche has been moving the wrong direction. --likely because she has her camp in a softer camp.

 

[Szczepanik]

various:


I would be really interesting to see her fight Cyborg but Bethe Correia would probably get her arm broken.
And Carmouche has been moving the wrong direction. --likely because she has her camp in a softer camp.

The only fights left for Ronda are Cyborg and rematch with Zingano unless more talent comes in fast.

Bethe and Holly Holms will get eaten up by Ronda. Wasn't impressed with Holms at all to be honest, and she was supposed to be a contender. Hrm.

 

[jterrell]

The only fights left for Ronda are Cyborg and rematch with Zingano unless more talent comes in fast.

Bethe and Holly Holms will get eaten up by Ronda. Wasn't impressed with Holms at all to be honest, and she was supposed to be a contender. Hrm.

I could see Corriea, then Zingano rematch then Holmes then Tate rematch. Jessica Eye and others could certainly move up in that time.
None of that really makes me feel she is threatened at all but I am guessing Ronda is on a 2 fight per year calendar now.
Her star is shining bright in movies and other areas.

Cyborg swears she can't make 135 without risking death (seriously) and I don't see Dana doing any heavier women's division anytime soon so it would have to be a singular catch-weight star fight and Dana isn't gonna do that with no other fights for Cyborg if she wins.

It is why Fedor never worked in the UFC.
DW will give you an immediate title shot but you gotta be locked into a deal that says as champ you have to fight in the UFC.
Pretty sure that is residual stuff from Randy Couture--and why Couture is kinda anathema around UFC land.

 

[Phoenix]

Miesha Tate is cuter than Ronda ...... and also the only one who has given her a real fight.

But there is no one in Womens MMA who can take Ronda if she is even 80% on her game.

Uh....... don't suppose you've seen the SI swimsuit topless pic of Ronda, by any chance...?

WOW!

 

[Risen Star]

The only fights left for Ronda are Cyborg and rematch with Zingano unless more talent comes in fast.

Bethe and Holly Holms will get eaten up by Ronda. Wasn't impressed with Holms at all to be honest, and she was supposed to be a contender. Hrm.

You do realize Ronda just destroyed Zingano in 14 seconds, right?

You're right. Bethe Correia isn't worthy of being in the Octagon with her, but she's ran her mouth after beating a couple of Ronda's much less talented friends so I think she'll get her shot. She should have to beat someone ranked highly first, IMO. She hasn't fought anybody. If she has to fight a Tate, Zingano or McMann first she will lose.

If anyone ever beats Rousey, I'm betting not, it won't be someone who wins a split decision over Raquel Pennington. Holm has no shot.

Maybe a roided up Cyborg can maintain distance and knock Ronda out. That is really the only chance I see of her losing.

 

[Risen Star]

Carmouche should have finished her

In the fight Ronda got over aggressive and gave up her back. Figure 4 body lock just about in and neck was exposed hands not even guarding the RNC. Carmouche instead of fishing for the RNC decided to neck crank which was an awful decision. What makes it a horrible decision? When performing the neck crank you want to twist your own body( and opponents) in the opposite direction of the crank . You get an incredible amount of torque and range on the crank that way, but is nearly impossible to do standing up due to the lack of support you can get off the mat. A more skilled fighter in BJJ would of probably finished her. Very vulnerable spot. That is why I believe Ronda almost got finished.

I just don't believe that the shallow talent pool in WMMA currently can expose the flaws in Ronda's game. Ronda is excellent, but not without flaws. I think there are some well rounded fighters in WMMA like the names you mentioned, but they don't truly excel in one area like Ronda does. Most champions excel in one specific area (Ronda) , but I can't name another female fighter that excels in one area in particular. Her opponents are just generally well rounded, and are tough. That is why I think it is a shallow division personally.

Ronda is far ahead of her competition I'll agree but she has that Olympic background, top training team, and the $$ to bring in the best training partners in the world. She will continue to get better. Her opposition on the other hand doesn't have that luxury, so Ronda can keep improving at a faster rate than her competition.

Not a fan of Ronda, but I don't deny her talent. I've known about Ronda before she even started MMA. *I live 15 minutes down from the Olympic Training Center in Colorado * Big judo community down here.

Bro, you hate Ronda. I get it. That's a neck crank. She was never in danger of getting finished. In her entire MMA career that's all you have to try to discredit her. Someone got to her back for a minute, before getting thrown off and submitted shortly thereafter.

 

[Risen Star]

If I'm Ronda, I fight a couple more years max and hang up her gloves undefeated to focus on her acting career. Maybe get into training some day down the road.

I think what can take down Ronda isn't any fighter but all the distractions she's got going on. It's got to be tough to maintain that focus and drive as a MMA fighter with everything else going on around her. Get out before that schedule and limelight leaves you vulnerable for some inferior fighter to hang an L on your record.

 

[Szczepanik]

You do realize Ronda just destroyed Zingano in 14 seconds, right?

You're right. Bethe Correia isn't worthy of being in the Octagon with her, but she's ran her mouth after beating a couple of Ronda's much less talented friends so I think she'll get her shot. She should have to beat someone ranked highly first, IMO. She hasn't fought anybody. If she has to fight a Tate, Zingano or McMann first she will lose.

If anyone ever beats Rousey, I'm betting not, it won't be someone who wins a split decision over Raquel Pennington. Holm has no shot.

Maybe a roided up Cyborg can maintain distance and knock Ronda out. That is really the only chance I see of her losing.

I think Cyborg has enough experience to not rush into Ronda's most dangerous quality. If all else fails.. Goro on the right will take care of her.

 

[Risen Star]

If none of the women in the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) bantamweight division can hand Ronda Rousey her first loss inside the Octagon, then perhaps a 225-pound former NFL wide receiver can.

That man is ex-Dallas Cowboy Jesse Holley, who spoke to 105.3 THE FAN and declared that he could defeat the 135-pound champion, so long as he had two straight months of mixed martial arts (MMA) training.

His words (via TMZ):

"If you gave me two months to train, give me eight weeks to train and develop some kind of skill. I know kids that are bigger than 135 pounds. I know seventh graders that are bigger than 135 pounds. Ronda Rousey, 14-second win, incredible. I just know that if me and Ronda Rousey were in the ring, she would not stand a chance. I almost out-weigh her by 100 pounds. And I get it, she does Judo and she's dedicated her entire life to this craft. I get it. That's why I say that I would need some training for two major reasons. One, for the conditioning of a fight. Two, I wouldn't need some magical judo training; all I would need is to learn a few techniques on how to defend certain things. She's not just going to take me down and body slam me to the ground. That's just not going to happen."

For the record, Holley also said he would likely lose to featherweight contender Conor McGregor, but he wouldn't get knocked out.

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/3/3/81...ce-fighting-ex-dallas-cowboy-jesse-holley-mma

 

[Risen Star]

That guy is a major league moron.

 

[Szczepanik]

He is getting to the point where he is undoing his infamous OT catch against the Niners with all of this talk.