Unofficial DB 40 times as they occur

[Silverstar]

This is a slow DB class.

Not one posted a sub 4.4 forty.....pathetic!

Congratulations Crezdon Butler on your 4.41 time.

 

[TheCount]

This is a slow DB class.

Not one posted a sub 4.4 forty.....pathetic!

Congratulations Crezdon Butler on your 4.41 time.

They were pretty slow last year too...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

See the inverse. Darren Woodson. The draft is all about projection. A spread QB moving to the West Coast off. An option based RB (LT) was thought not to be able to run between the tackles. Adrian Peterson fell because of health concerns. In the end, its all about the same -

its all projection based. FYI, just because college DE convert "all the time" does not hold up as a premise for any argument.

Woodson played Monster at Arizona State. That's almost like Safety. Your talking about almost the same sort of position in the NFL. Granted, more coverage responsabilities at Safety but it was not something that Woodson was not already doing, to a greater or lessor extent, while at ASU.

Let me also add that Woodson was picked in the 2nd round of the draft when he came out. Had Woodson played Safety at ASU, he probably would have been a first round Safety in the draft.

 

[Dough Boy]

Woodson played Monster at Arizona State. That's almost like Safety. Your talking about almost the same sort of position in the NFL. Granted, more coverage responsabilities at Safety but it was not something that Woodson was not already doing, to a greater or lessor extent, while at ASU.

Let me also add that Woodson was picked in the 2nd round of the draft when he came out. Had Woodson played Safety at ASU, he probably would have been a first round Safety in the draft.

Did he cover the slot receiver in college?

 

[Dough Boy]

Had Woodson played Safety at ASU, he probably would have been a first round Safety in the draft.

Just one mans opinion - yours.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thomas Davis did it out of GA. First round pick. By all accounts, he is a better player at LB than Saftey.

He was a strong safety at Georgia. He played a very physical style at Georgia. He would be the best example IMO but how many of these guys do you see in the NFL? BTW, he was only moved to weakside LB after he failed at Safety. He was not drafted to play LB per say. He was the 14th pick in the draft and the Panthers were faced with a wasted pick at 14.

I'm not saying it's impossible but I am saying that I would not want to gamble my 1st round pick on the prospect of drafting Taylor as a player that would be moved to LB in the NFL, and lets remember here, a much more physical, much much better tackling Davis was moved to Weak Side LB in a 43 and not ILB in a 34. Big, big difference there.

 

[Doomsday101]

See Ware, Spencer, Merriman and others. Not a revolutionary concept. There was some talk of moving Earl Thomas to CB, he plays FS.

big difference they were still outside pass rushers. Thomas has played CB and was to safety and is still being looked at as S because of the job he did. Mays has not done much and for a 1st rd pick I expect them to have proven it at the college level as I said the jump from college to Pro is big

 

[Dough Boy]

Woodson played Monster at Arizona State. That's almost like Safety. Your talking about almost the same sort of position in the NFL. Granted, more coverage responsabilities at Safety but it was not something that Woodson was not already doing, to a greater or lessor extent, while at ASU.

Let me also add that Woodson was picked in the 2nd round of the draft when he came out. Had Woodson played Safety at ASU, he probably would have been a first round Safety in the draft.

What about Thoms Davis from GA. Drafted in the first round by the Panthers # 14th pick overall. 6'1", 231 lbs, 4.67 at combine. Starts at WLB. Picked off a Romo pass in 2007.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Did he cover the slot receiver in college?

Yes. Was used in coverage at ASU. Keep in mind that Woodson was drafted in 1992 and not nearly as many 3 wide receiver sets were used at that time but yes, at ASU, Woodson would cover though it was probably more TE then slot.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just one mans opinion - yours.

What's the point?

 

[Dough Boy]

He was a strong safety at Georgia. He played a very physical style at Georgia. He would be the best example IMO but how many of these guys do you see in the NFL? BTW, he was only moved to weakside LB after he failed at Safety. He was not drafted to play LB per say. He was the 14th pick in the draft and the Panthers were faced with a wasted pick at 14.

I'm not saying it's impossible but I am saying that I would not want to gamble my 1st round pick on the prospect of drafting Taylor as a player that would be moved to LB in the NFL, and lets remember here, a much more physical, much much better tackling Davis was moved to Weak Side LB in a 43 and not ILB in a 34. Big, big difference there.

Donnie Edwards played the 'bubble' 3-4 ILB for Wade. He played at 224 lbs, 6-2. Not a real thumber. What about our very own Kevin Burnett. No one would mistake him for being physical. 6-3, 239 lbs. Larry Foote, Pittsburgh 6-1 239lbs, not considered to be a thumber.

I'm not saying Mays can do it, just pointing out that lesser size players have done it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What about Thoms Davis from GA. Drafted in the first round by the Panthers # 14th pick overall. 6'1", 231 lbs, 4.67 at combine. Starts at WLB. Picked off a Romo pass in 2007.

I already posted on Davis. He started at Safety and was moved. He was never drafted with the intent to be a Weak Outside LB.

Doesn't matter, at the end of the day, I think you have to say that we have proof of one player who was drafted in the 1st and succesfully moved to LB? That doesn't bode well for using a 1st round pick on May IMO.

I guess we'll see what happens but I would not do that if it were my decision. Not with a 1st round pick.

 

[Dough Boy]

What's the point?

Only pointing out that you could not substantiate Woodson would have went in the First Round thats all. Just separating fact from opinion. Nothing more.

 

[Dough Boy]

I already posted on Davis. He started at Safety and was moved. He was never drafted with the intent to be a Weak Outside LB.

Doesn't matter, at the end of the day, I think you have to say that we have proof of one player who was drafted in the 1st and succesfully moved to LB? That doesn't bode well for using a 1st round pick on May IMO.

I guess we'll see what happens but I would not do that if it were my decision. Not with a 1st round pick.

Parcells never drafted a small school player before Ware either. Just because it never happened, its not a great conclusion that it will never happen.

I'm not sold on the idea yet, but I do like to think outside of the box. I'm sure there are more reasons not to do this than to proceed. However, I'm sure many on this board didn't want Ware in the 1st bc he was from Troy. In the end, whether we do it or not, our decision should not be, its never been done before so lets not do it; it should be - we the scouts and coaches do not think its going to work and thus its a bad idea.

 

[JBS]

does anyone know Thomas' official 40 time?

 

[Dough Boy]

I guess we'll see what happens but I would not do that if it were my decision. Not with a 1st round pick.

No one took T. Brady in the 1st, look how that turned out. Looking back on history its easy to not make any mistakes. GM's are paid the big bucks to get it right real time. If a GM thought that Mays will be an all pro ILB or WLB; then they should take him in the first. There are 32 teams now that would take Brady in the first round.

I get your point; at least I think I get it. You do not think Mays can go to ILB bc of his lack of physicality. I hope you are not saying, he can't do it because its never been done. If its the former and not the later - your point is taken. Again, I'm not sure he can make the switch. I don't watch film and only seen him play a few times. It seems you have watched him play a lot, so I'm not going to argue over the former (i.e., lack of physicality).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Donnie Edwards played the 'bubble' 3-4 ILB for Wade. He played at 224 lbs, 6-2. Not a real thumber. What about our very own Kevin Burnett. No one would mistake him for being physical. 6-3, 239 lbs. Larry Foote, Pittsburgh 6-1 239lbs, not considered to be a thumber.

I'm not saying Mays can do it, just pointing out that lesser size players have done it.

This is not about size. It's about being able to play LB. Donnie Edwards was a LB at UCLA and was the 3rd leading Tackler in the history of the school, 5th in Sacks when he left UCLA. Kevin Burnett was a LB at Tennessee. Foote was a LB at Michigan, All Big Ten Two years and All American his Sr. season at Michigan as a LB.

None of them were Safeties coming out and none of them were 1st round picks. What about Edwards, Burnett and Foote?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Only pointing out that you could not substantiate Woodson would have went in the First Round thats all. Just separating fact from opinion. Nothing more.

Well, that's why I said PROBABLY. That's a commonly used term in the English language when you are trying to get the point across that what you are saying is not fact but a reasonable statement based on circumstances.

If you want to get technical on it, I recommend you do it with Jimmy Johnson. He was the one who originally made that statement, not me. However, it doesn't matter. He was still not a 1st round pick and so, he is not a good comparative as to why we should consider Mays at 27.

 

[Dough Boy]

This is not about size. It's about being able to play LB. Donnie Edwards was a LB at UCLA and was the 3rd leading Tackler in the history of the school, 5th in Sacks when he left UCLA. Kevin Burnett was a LB at Tennessee. Foote was a LB at Michigan, All Big Ten Two years and All American his Sr. season at Michigan as a LB.

None of them were Safeties coming out and none of them were 1st round picks. What about Edwards, Burnett and Foote?

If you say that Edwards and Burnett were physical players under Wade's scheme you are not being honest to yourself.

One of the reasons Burnett could not start for us, could not stay healthy and was not physical enough. Edwards under Wade's scheme was protected by Jamal Williams. He was a cover backer, not the great physical thumper he was at KC. I'm just being honest. No agenda.

The whole idea behind a WLB is not about physicality, its about pursuit. You design your def to force the off to flow away from these guys and they run down the play based on speed and pursuit. The MLB and SLB are the thumpers. Not the WLB. Michael Boley for the Giants is not a thumper. Rock McIntosh for Was is not a thumper. They are flow and pursuit players.

 

[Doomsday101]

hell if we are going to select a player off his 40 time then Ford should be our pick, at least he had a good season. :laugh2: