Update on Archuleta signing. HOLY MOSES!
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That's a lot of dough to pony up for a guy who has three career interceptions, recorded 0 forced fumbles last sesaon, recovered only one....though he did have 3.5 sacks.
I've tried to be unbiased in all of the 'Skins signings (saying that, despite overpaying Randle El, he brings speed -- which I was corrected on, and told it's quickness more so than speed -- etc.), but I've always considered Archuleta one of the more overrated players at his position. I guess I can feel that way even more so now that he's making $5 million a year.
I've tried to be unbiased in all of the 'Skins signings (saying that, despite overpaying Randle El, he brings speed -- which I was corrected on, and told it's quickness more so than speed -- etc.), but I've always considered Archuleta one of the more overrated players at his position. I guess I can feel that way even more so now that he's making $5 million a year.
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canters said:
The only way they were ever going to pay was if the CBA wasn't extended. Everyone who's puzzled about how they're getting this done needs to keep that in mind. With CBA extension - no cap hell. We could be doing the same thing.
But that would be the acme of foolishness.
Oh, I can't stop laughing.
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5Stars said:
I bet that's not the only tiny part of their bodies that are getting overworked these last few days. :jerk:
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Cowboy_love_4ever said:
Well, I think there is a secret pact out there among many NFL players, that if you want some money, just sweet talk Lil Snyder, and he will give you all you want!
Remember Primetime...what, he played just one year for them? Anyways after he quit on them, he was still owed 6 Million from the Little Squirt, and he said on National TV, "Tell Mr. Snyder, I love him..."
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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We're all laughing now, but just remember when it comes time to redo Roy's contract in 2006 or 2007, we'll be leading the torch mob to Snyder's palace. If Archuleta can get this kind of contract, imagine what Roy will get? *shiver*Cbz40 said:I just have one thing to say......nevermind I'll just
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Is this the Commanders forum or the Cowboys forum? I fuggets.
You guys are so caught up in the Commanders, it's sickening. Every other thread is about the Commanders.
WHO THE F CARES ABOUT THE Commanders !!!???!!!
Let them do what they do. Time will tell if it's right or now. Who are we to judge or laugh. Heck, they kicked our butts twice last year.
There are 31 other teams to talk about other than the Commanders.
You guys are so caught up in the Commanders, it's sickening. Every other thread is about the Commanders.
WHO THE F CARES ABOUT THE Commanders !!!???!!!
Let them do what they do. Time will tell if it's right or now. Who are we to judge or laugh. Heck, they kicked our butts twice last year.
There are 31 other teams to talk about other than the Commanders.
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CaptainAmerica said:
My thoughts exactly!!!!!
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Eddie said:
i agree too many skins threads but this one had to be made for comedy reasons.but yes no more skins threads.
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BTW, those guys are already about to dance around w/ the trophy over there.
Well... you're kinda-sorta right. The SKins are never in the trouble the media makes them out to be in, but... they are in trouble. The media gleefully reported that they were at $114 million against the cap when any fifth-grader could figure out that there were very simple steps they could take to step under it (mostly by reconfiguring guaranteed bonuses, which they did). As I've said before, it ain't cap hell, but it is cap heck.
Here's the problem for the Skins with the cap: they're thin. They devote a greater proportion of their cap dollars to the few players at the top than most teams do, and the result is that they have to rely on very cheap players to fill out the roster. Take a look at the cap numbers for the playoff teams last year: the Skins devote more cap room to fewer players at the top than the others. Every team has a handful of players who eat up lots of the cap, but the Skins take it to the extreme. Couple that with pretty poor drafting outside of the first two rounds, and you've got a problem.
When other teams lose an offensive lineman, they don't have to turn to a 45 year old. The Skins do. And they're still in that boat. They're going to be a very talented squad this fall, but they're not very far from being a terribly untalented squad.
Picture this: Springs gets injured. Or Griffin. Or Jansen. The talent level at those positions drops precipitiously. Now, no team has all-pros waiting in the wings, but other teams have slightly better backups because they pay them and develop them better. The Skins tend to have bargain-basement journeymen as backups, not future starters or significant contributors being developed. We have seen this at linebacker -- young players turning into starters over time -- but then they immediately leave, so I'm not sure it's a great example.
For the Skins prior to recent renegotiations, the top 8 players eat up about a third of the cap for 2006. That has changed, esp with the departure of Lavar, but there is the question of philosophy: if you have $5 million in cap room, what do you do with it?
Do you (A) sign two big talent stars, or (B) sign four pretty darn good players? That will, of course, depend on your needs, but if you always land on the "A" side of the fence, I suspect you end up in trouble eventually.
The Skins were remarkably healthy last year. None of their critical players went down until Thomas was KO'ed. Portis played in the playoffs pretty banged up. Imagine if Moss or Portis had been injured? Or Springs? Or Cooley?
You go from Cooley to Royal (last year). You go from Moss to... umm... well... I guess nobody. We know what you got when Thomas went out. So don't celebrate the Skins cap management too much. Everyone who writes that the Skins will have to demolish the team to get under the cap is a fool, but anyone who thinks there isn't a price for the way they manage the cap is also a fool.
Well... you're kinda-sorta right. The SKins are never in the trouble the media makes them out to be in, but... they are in trouble. The media gleefully reported that they were at $114 million against the cap when any fifth-grader could figure out that there were very simple steps they could take to step under it (mostly by reconfiguring guaranteed bonuses, which they did). As I've said before, it ain't cap hell, but it is cap heck.
Here's the problem for the Skins with the cap: they're thin. They devote a greater proportion of their cap dollars to the few players at the top than most teams do, and the result is that they have to rely on very cheap players to fill out the roster. Take a look at the cap numbers for the playoff teams last year: the Skins devote more cap room to fewer players at the top than the others. Every team has a handful of players who eat up lots of the cap, but the Skins take it to the extreme. Couple that with pretty poor drafting outside of the first two rounds, and you've got a problem.
When other teams lose an offensive lineman, they don't have to turn to a 45 year old. The Skins do. And they're still in that boat. They're going to be a very talented squad this fall, but they're not very far from being a terribly untalented squad.
Picture this: Springs gets injured. Or Griffin. Or Jansen. The talent level at those positions drops precipitiously. Now, no team has all-pros waiting in the wings, but other teams have slightly better backups because they pay them and develop them better. The Skins tend to have bargain-basement journeymen as backups, not future starters or significant contributors being developed. We have seen this at linebacker -- young players turning into starters over time -- but then they immediately leave, so I'm not sure it's a great example.
For the Skins prior to recent renegotiations, the top 8 players eat up about a third of the cap for 2006. That has changed, esp with the departure of Lavar, but there is the question of philosophy: if you have $5 million in cap room, what do you do with it?
Do you (A) sign two big talent stars, or (B) sign four pretty darn good players? That will, of course, depend on your needs, but if you always land on the "A" side of the fence, I suspect you end up in trouble eventually.
The Skins were remarkably healthy last year. None of their critical players went down until Thomas was KO'ed. Portis played in the playoffs pretty banged up. Imagine if Moss or Portis had been injured? Or Springs? Or Cooley?
You go from Cooley to Royal (last year). You go from Moss to... umm... well... I guess nobody. We know what you got when Thomas went out. So don't celebrate the Skins cap management too much. Everyone who writes that the Skins will have to demolish the team to get under the cap is a fool, but anyone who thinks there isn't a price for the way they manage the cap is also a fool.
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On the downside, Roy is going to ask for a LOT next year when it's time for him to re-up.
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This guy is OVERRATED!!! No way in the world is he worth that kind of money...
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at first i didnt think roy would ask for alot when he had to re-up but now that i see this contract he will.thanks alot skins.
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HomeOfLegends said:
That report isn't quite accurate. Archuleta's signing bonus was only $5 million, which makes his cap number $1.585 million this season. He has a $5 million option bonus due next season. So the Skins could just cut him after one season. and have just $4 million in dead money, either all in 2007 or split between 2007 and 2008.
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roy to the skins next year.lol scary thought eh?
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At the risk of being stoned to death ...
Yes, $30mil over six years averages $5mil per. But we all do understand that doesn't necessarily mean a $5 cap number every year, right? That the signing bonus will be pro rated over 6 years? And that probably a third or more of the remaingin $20mil is going to be backloaded into the final year or two, which he'll never see and won't actually ever be on the books?
Just sayin'.
Yes, $30mil over six years averages $5mil per. But we all do understand that doesn't necessarily mean a $5 cap number every year, right? That the signing bonus will be pro rated over 6 years? And that probably a third or more of the remaingin $20mil is going to be backloaded into the final year or two, which he'll never see and won't actually ever be on the books?
Just sayin'.