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[dogberry]

Where was Joe Montana on our draft board?

 

[DeaconBlues]

Unitas I believe would be a third-rounder in today's NFL and he didn't stay on the bench long. Brady started his rookie year. He didn't develop on the bench. And I might use a sixth rounder on a qb with a funky college career, like Brady, or Johnson. I would use a sixth rounder ahead of a fourth rounder.

Has Romo won a Super Bowl? I forget.

You know not what you speak of. Stop.

 

[speedkilz88]

Where was Joe Montana on our draft board?

3rd round (or at least he was the highest on their board when they picked in the 3rd) but they had Staubach, White, and Carano and didn't think they needed him so they took Doug Cosbie instead.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

NE is trying to find a trade partner to deal C Dan Koppen, one of the best Cs over the last ten years. Age aside, I would love to add him to our roster!

 

[ndanger]

NE is trying to find a trade partner to deal C Dan Koppen, one of the best Cs over the last ten years. Age aside, I would love to add him to our roster!

He's been cut already.

 

[DeaconBlues]

NE is trying to find a trade partner to deal C Dan Koppen, one of the best Cs over the last ten years. Age aside, I would love to add him to our roster!

10 years ago - yes.

5 years ago - yes.

1 year ago - err, ummm, let's look at that medical report.

Now - not a chance. He's worn down. NE will release him because he hasn't recovered from previous injuries. He's just a name, not a player.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

He's been cut already.

Thanks, that was quick! We'll see what happens.

 

[Kangaroo]

Fair enough. But almost never will you see a qb ride pine for a few years and later win a championship, unless he's a high pick. This is particularly true of the fourth round. There are a scatterling of examples, but that's it.

My point is that a quarterback either has that talent or not and usally fourth-rounders do not. Brady went late, but he had the talent, and was a starter by his second year. Same is true of Montana. There is almost never a long apprenticeship that helps a mid-round pick.

Rodgers was groomed, Mark Burnell (hey behind the same starting QB)

Those are more recent examples

 

[ethiostar]

That's the thing, though. Quarterback development is an NFL myth. The idea that you take a quarterback in the fourth round, and if he spends the next four years eating vitamins, studying the playbook, and getting to bed on time he'll lead you eventually to the Super Bowl is a huge NFL myth. Apparently it's a myth our front office believed at one time.

If I used a fourth round pick on a qb, which I absolutely wouldn't, I would expect him to be no more than a backup and no more. A number two if you're lucky. A number three if not. That's what McGee is, essentially.

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[jobberone]

That's the thing, though. Quarterback development is an NFL myth. The idea that you take a quarterback in the fourth round, and if he spends the next four years eating vitamins, studying the playbook, and getting to bed on time he'll lead you eventually to the Super Bowl is a huge NFL myth. Apparently it's a myth our front office believed at one time.

If I used a fourth round pick on a qb, which I absolutely wouldn't, I would expect him to be no more than a backup and no more. A number two if you're lucky. A number three if not. That's what McGee is, essentially.

What about Johnny U, Brady, Romo just as a start.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Garrett seems like he's going with a hard and fast rule that he's going with 3 QBs at all times. I don't like keeping 3 QBs period when you have a backup as solid as Orton, but if you are going to go that route McGee is fine. First of all he's mobile, so he's a guy who can run the naked boots and roll outs on the scout team for the defense to prepare for RG3 and Vick. Second of all, he's been in the offense years so he doesn't need a lot of hand holding or reps. Finally, he proved in his 2010 start against the Cardinals he can at least makes some plays and give the team at least a chance to win if he absolutely has to play. No 3rd string QB is going to be "good", he's just got to not be Mike Quinn, Babe Laufenberg or Caleb Hanie bad where the offense struggles to get 100 total yards for the game. .

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Garrett seems like he's going with a hard and fast rule that he's going with 3 QBs at all times. I don't like keeping 3 QBs period when you have a backup as solid as Orton, but if you are going to go that route McGee is fine. First of all he's mobile, so he's a guy who can run the naked boots and roll outs on the scout team for the defense to prepare for RG3 and Vick. Second of all, he's been in the offense years so he doesn't need a lot of hand holding or reps. Finally, he proved in his 2010 start against the Cardinals he can at least makes some plays and give the team at least a chance to win if he absolutely has to play. No 3rd string QB is going to be "good", he's just got to not be Mike Quinn, Babe Laufenberg or Caleb Hanie bad where the offense struggles to get 100 total yards for the game. .

I will say this, I have no problem with keeping an extra QB, after all it is the most important position on the field in today's NFL. I do have a problem with McGee the player though, and wonder if he is worth keeping. Jerry did comment that McGee has worth, but I wonder what kinda worth he is talking about cause he hasn't shown the ability to get us a draft pick like other teams have been able to do with their backup QBs.

At this point, the only reason I would want to keep McGee is if he has trade value, problem is I don't see how McGee has any trade value at this point.

 

[StarMan2112]

I will say this, I have no problem with keeping an extra QB, after all it is the most important position on the field in today's NFL. I do have a problem with McGee the player though, and wonder if he is worth keeping. Jerry did comment that McGee has worth, but I wonder what kinda worth he is talking about cause he hasn't shown the ability to get us a draft pick like other teams have been able to do with their backup QBs.

At this point, the only reason I would want to keep McGee is if he has trade value, problem is I don't see how McGee has any trade value at this point.

McGee doesn't have any trade value. That's just more of Jerry's BS.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

McGee doesn't have any trade value. That's just more of Jerry's BS.

Well that is by far my biggest problem with McGee, if he has no trade value then he is totally useless.......just hoping they know more than we do and not letting some team pull their chain into thinking that they are actually interested in McGee.

 

[Westcoasthabsfan]

i am hoping they are only holding onto him to drop him when they pick up somebody from the other teams cuts......

 

[KB1122]

Rodgers was groomed, Mark Burnell (hey behind the same starting QB)

Those are more recent examples

Rodgers was a first-round pick and top talent, not a fourth-round pick. It's questionable whether grooming was necessary, but he was groomed, I will allow that. But the question is whether fourth-round or mid-round picks have histories of being groomed into championship quarterbacks. I submit that they largely do not.

Brunell was third round?, I think. I might be wrong on that. And while very good, he wasn't elite or a champion.

 

[KB1122]

Kurt Warner, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler.

Warner was a free agent. Johnson was a ninth-round pick who would be a seventh-round equivalent today. Warner started in his second NFL season. I would agree that Johnson was groomed over a few years.

I don't mind late round picks on quarterbacks as much. There's a better recent record there and less wasted value for failure.

Hostetler was a third-rounder. He was groomed over years. That said, most of that year was Phil Simms. He just finished the job.

 

[KB1122]

You know not what you speak of. Stop.

I should correct myself. Unitas was pick 102, a modern-day fourth rounder. So yes, almost sixty years ago, there was an example. That said, he wasn't groomed. After being cut by Pittsburgh, he became the starter in his rookie year with Baltimore a year later.

 

[theogt]

What about Johnny U, Brady, Romo just as a start.

Or what about Ricky Stanzi, Nathan Enderle, Tyrod Taylor, Greg McElroy, Mike Kafka, John Skelton, Jonathan Crompton, Rusty Smith, Dan LeFebour, Joe Webb, Tony Pike, Levi Brown, Sean Canfiel, Zac Robinson, Stephen McGee, Rhett Bomar, Nate Davis, Tom Brandstater, Mike Teel, Keith Null, Curtis Painter, John David Booty, Dennis Dixon, Josh Johnson, Erik Ainge, Colt Brennan, Andre Woodson, Matt Flynn, Alex Brink, Jeff Rowe, Troy Smith, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Thigpen, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs, Bruce Gradkowski, D.J. Shockley, Kyle Orton, Stefan LeFors, Dan Orlovsky, Adrian McPherson, Derek Anderson, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Luke McCown, Craig Krenzel, Andy Hall, Josh Harris, Jim Sorgi, Jeff Smoker, John Navarre, Cody Pickett, Casey Bramlet, Matt Mauck, B.J. Symons, Bradlee Van Pelt, Seneca Wallas, Brian St. Pierre, Drew Henson, Brooks Bollinger, Kliff Kingsbury, Gibran Hamdan, Ken Dorsey, David Garrard, Rohan Davey, Randy Fasani, Kurt Kittner, Brandon Doman, Craig Nall, J.T. O'Sullivan, Seth Burfurd, Jeff Kelly, Ronald Curry, Wes Pate, Sage Rosenfels, Jesse Palmer, Mike McMahon, A.J. Feeley, Josh Booty, Josh Heupel....

 

[cowboys2233]

I should correct myself. Unitas was pick 102, a modern-day fourth rounder. So yes, almost sixty years ago, there was an example. That said, he wasn't groomed. After being cut by Pittsburgh, he became the starter in his rookie year with Baltimore a year later.

If you use the word "groomed" one more time, I think you should slap yourself.