USC opponents starting field position

[zeromaster]

Embrace the bile...

 

[Alexander]

I think too much is being made of the kick and too little with the coverage. If we cover kickoffs better, we will be better. In the heyday of the 1990s, Eddie Murray could barely get the ball to the ten yard line, yet he had decent hang time and above all, we had great coverage players. Last year we had people like Bobby Carpenter and Justin Rogers as "aces".

Folk did horribly, but I think that had a lot to do with what he was told. Yes, he needed to get more air under the football and know how to place his kicks. Was getting that worth a fifth round choice? I am not so sure.

 

[WarC]

These threads about another Kicker are pure torture. I feel the bile rising up my throat.

Darth Vandershank!

 

[DallasEast]

Link to USC profile (2007 kicking stats)--> http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/buehler_david00.html

 

[AbeBeta]

Remember when some fans said Tony Romo and Jay Ratliff were camp fodder ...

remember when some fans said that Roy Williams was the next Ronnie Lott?

 

[ethiostar]

Remember when some fans said Tony Romo and Jay Ratliff were camp fodder ...

Remember when some fans (just one actually) thought Brandon Everage was the Second Coming.

remember when some fans said that Roy Williams was the next Ronnie Lott?

Oh, i like this game......

Remember when....

A memory was something you lost with age
A cursor used profanity
A web was a spider's home
A virus was the flue
A hard drive was a long drive on the road
A mouse pad was where a mouse lived





And if you had a 3 inch floppy




Ok, maybe i might have misunderstood the purpose of this thread.

 

[speedkilz88]

remember when some fans said that Roy Williams was the next Ronnie Lott?

I remember when Ronnie Lott said that he loved to watch Roy Williams play because he played the game like he did.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Responding to Adam's post. It didn't let me do the quote thing for some reason.


Remember when some fans (just one actually) thought Brandon Everage was the Second Coming.

lol, it's Hostile-tonic

 

[DallasEast]

David Buehler's 2008 play-by-play kickoff results (links immediately below):

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscuva.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscohio.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscosu.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscore.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscasu.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscwsu.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscariz.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscwash.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/usccal.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscstan.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscnd.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscucla.html#GAME.PLY
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/uscpsu.html#GAME.PLY

Play-by-Play Summary vs.Virginia

Buehler, David kickoff 55 yards to the UVA15, Kevin Ogletree return 10 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UVA0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UVA0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 64 yards to the UVA21, Kevin Ogletree return 17 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UVA0, Cedric Peerman return 17 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UVA0, Kevin Ogletree return 14 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UVA0, Kevin Ogletree return 25 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UVA0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UVA0, C. Minnifield return 23 yards

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Ohio State

Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the OHIOST0, Herron, Dan return 12
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the OHIOST0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 75 yards to the OHIOST10, Saine, Brandon return
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the OHIOST0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the OHIOST0, Herron, Dan return 20
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the OHIOST0, touchback.

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Oregon State

Buehler, David kickoff 68 yards to the OSU2, Rodgers, James return 30 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the OSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the OSU0, Rodgers, James return 14 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 11 yards to the USC41, Kavanaugh, T. return 0 yards

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Oregon

Buehler, David kickoff 58 yards to the ORE12, Chung, Patrick return 18
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ORE0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 63 yards to the ORE7, Chung, Patrick return 14
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ORE0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ORE0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 46 yards to the ORE24, downed.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ORE0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ORE0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ORE0, touchback.

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Arizona State

Buehler, David kickoff 68 yards to the ASU2, Williams, Kyle return 19
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ASU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ASU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ASU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ASU0, touchback.

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Washington State

Buehler, David kickoff 55 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 55 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, Norrell,Kevin return 14 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WSU0, Staden,Chantz return 22 yards

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Washington

Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WASH0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WASH0, Polk, Jordan return 18
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WASH0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WASH0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 69 yards to the WASH1, Richardson, Q. return 18
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WASH0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the WASH15, Richardson, Q. return 21
Buehler, David kickoff 67 yards to the WASH3, Richardson, Q. return -1
Buehler, David kickoff 67 yards to the WASH3, Polk, Jordan return 31

Play-by-Play Summary vs. California

Buehler, David kickoff 69 yards to the CAL1, ROSS, Jeremy return 28
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the CAL0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 65 yards to the CAL5, ROSS, Jeremy return 14
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the CAL0, touchback.

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Stanford

Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the STAN0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 64 yards to the STAN6, Owusu, Chris return 17 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the STAN0, Owusu, Chris return 35 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the STAN0, Owusu, Chris return 15 yards
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the STAN0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the STAN0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the STAN0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the STAN0, Kimble, Anthony return 44

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Notre Dame

Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ND0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ND0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ND0, ALLEN return 27 yards to the
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ND0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ND0, ALLEN return 25 yards to the
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ND0, TATE return 18 yards to the
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the ND0, touchback.

Play-by-Play Summary vs. UCLA

Buehler, David kickoff 68 yards to the UCLA2, Austin, Terrenc return 25
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UCLA0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 66 yards to the UCLA4, Austin, Terrenc return 18
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UCLA0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the UCLA0, touchback.

Play-by-Play Summary vs. Penn State

Buehler, David kickoff 66 yards to the PSU4, Powell, Chaz return 22
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the PSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the PSU0, Powell, Chaz return 19
Buehler, David kickoff 67 yards to the PSU3, Williams, D. return 11
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the PSU0, touchback.
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the PSU0, Powell, Chaz return 17
Buehler, David kickoff 70 yards to the PSU0, Williams, D. return 18



I guess it's safe to say that "TEAM" + "0" = "Kickoff Reached Endzone"

 

[dogberry]

Thank you DallasEast,

I didn't see any that went out of bounds. Would the stats show that?

 

[JD_KaPow]

I ran some statistics in my blog. The league average last year for percentage of kickoffs that were touchbacks (not including Dallas' numbers) was 16%. The league average for the top 5 touchback rates last season was about 30%.

I estimate that if Buehler is about as good as advertised, the average starting field position would be around the 23 yard line, an outstanding improvement.

So here's the question: how much FG accuracy should we be willing to trade for kickoff distance? I know the plan seems to be to keep two kickers, but it's worth thinking about, especially since Folk probably could yield something decent in trade.

The Cowboys kicked off 75 times last year. If they average, say, 5 yards better field position on each kickoff, that's 375 yards gained over the season. Depending on how you estimate the relationship between yards and points, that's a gain of around 30 points a year, or 2 points a game. That's huge.

Over the last 2 years, Folk has averaged 23 FG out of 26.5 attempts, and he hasn't missed an extra point. Those are great numbers, but if Buehler is a competent kicker, he wouldn't be giving up 30 points a year in missed FGs. It's more complicated than this, though, because some of those field goals are very high leverage, and a lot of end-of-half and -game offensie strategy depends on what you can expect from your kicker.

I don't know the answer, but I do believe that Folk is heavily overrated because the damage from his kickoffs isn't as obvious as the gain from his FGs. I also know that cutting/trading Folk would be an incredibly unpopular move that would get Jones ripped in the media any time the 'boys missed a FG and lost a close game. I'm curious to see how it plays out.

 

[DallasEast]

Thank you DallasEast,

I didn't see any that went out of bounds. Would the stats show that?

Each game's play-by-play summary did not indicate that USC was ever assessed any out-of-bounds penalties during any of Buehler's kickoff's. According to the summaries, each kickoff was followed by a return attempt, downed in the endzone or the ball was kicked through the endzone.

 

[AbeBeta]

I remember when Ronnie Lott said that he loved to watch Roy Williams play because he played the game like he did.

I remember when Roy Williams had a job.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Like I've said before. This guy better have a 90-100% TouchBack rate to have this kind of luxury. I would hate to be the person who didn't make the team because we're carrying two kickers on the roster.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

David Buehler's 2008 play-by-play kickoff results (links immediately below):




I guess it's safe to say that "TEAM" + "0" = "Kickoff Reached Endzone"

If I add that up right, 84 kickoffs total. 66 hit the endzone, 10 more landed inside the 4 yard line, and there were two screw ups in addition to an onside attempt. 45 touchbacks = 54% touchback rate.

Dallas had 74 kickoffs last season, which if Buehler doesn't improve his leg strength one little bit would potentially have resulted in 40 touchbacks based on his rate. Of course that is purely conjecture, but better than we had for 2008.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

If I add that up right, 84 kickoffs total. 66 hit the endzone, 10 more landed inside the 4 yard line, and there were two screw ups in addition to an onside attempt. 45 touchbacks = 54% touchback rate.

Dallas had 74 kickoffs last season, which if Buehler doesn't improve his leg strength one little bit would potentially have resulted in 40 touchbacks based on his rate. Of course that is purely conjecture, but better than we had for 2008.

I hope we have 110 kickoffs next season...lol

 

[hendog]

If I add that up right, 84 kickoffs total. 66 hit the endzone, 10 more landed inside the 4 yard line, and there were two screw ups in addition to an onside attempt. 45 touchbacks = 54% touchback rate.

Dallas had 74 kickoffs last season, which if Buehler doesn't improve his leg strength one little bit would potentially have resulted in 40 touchbacks based on his rate. Of course that is purely conjecture, but better than we had for 2008.

40 better.

 

[silverbear]

USC had 39 kickoffs returned for 775 yards giving you an average of 19.87 yards per kickoff in 2008.

Of their opponents in 2008, only 3 teams had an overall season long average of less than 20 yards per return.

From what I've seen on the clips, he doesn't just kick it long, he kicks it really high, too...

I think the guy could wind up being an asset for the Boys, but maybe that's just the Pollyanna in me coming out...

 

[silverbear]

These threads about another Kicker are pure torture. I feel the bile rising up my throat.

I only post to them to keep them alive, prolong your agony...

You're welcome...

I'll see the rest of you when I get back from my temp ban...

 

[silverbear]

Any way we could get you to wear a Buehler jersey if we all pitched in a got one for ya?

OK, that's just wrong...

Screamingly funny, but wrong...

You should be proud, and ashamed...