Vela: Maybe Ellis is right?

[quincyyyyy]

Are you attempting to be wordy in a vain attempt to appear intelligent?

By the way, you used the word aporia wrong. Why would you want to guide me towards being puzzled? According to you, I already am.



It is not a knee, genius. It is his Achille's tendon. It is not even close.



Not at all. I just think they are hopeful.



Once more, clue us all in concerning the breakthroughs in Achilles treatments. And while you are at it, demonstrate how well it has worked with 32 year olds.



What part about "keep the spot warm" implies backup to you?

And an excellent dodge of my direct question about the wonders of modern medicine, I might add.

I do not expect an effective Ellis and eventually Spencer will take over for him. It is that simple.

Anygivensunday is right about back injuries though. People recover from achilles tendon injuries all the time, not so much back injuries. The regenerative properties of tissues in the CNS are not so good. The nucleus pulposa if damaged can not really regenerate itself, and tends to be a chronic problem for people with such injuries for the rest of there lives, surgery can sometime alleviate this.

Bone structures in the periphery like tendons have incredibly good regenerative capabilities for someone at the age of 32, but not as much as the younger folks, but still really good. And with mondern medicine full recoveries tend to occur more often than not for someone of Ellis's age.

 

[Hostile]

OOOHHHH the imagery Hos

Sorry about that brah. It was the best example of lopsided I could think of.

 

[5Stars]

And with mondern medicine full recoveries tend to occur more often than not for someone of Ellis's age.

So, why take the risk, AT THIS TIME?

If Ellis shuts his mouth, plays at a top level this season and shows Jerry that he is healthy and producing...Jerry will pay! Jerry is not dumb and Jerry is not cheap...

 

[quincyyyyy]

He has thwarted you and the others at every turn. He has done so with facts, by showing your hypocrisy, and simple logic. In return you've dodged his questions, admitted your own rash statements, and basically not had one example of where he is wrong.

Keep it up. Anyone with synapses that fire can see it.

This has Janet Reno versus Jessica Alba in a bikini contest.

Actually I have not made any rash statements. It was Alexander who was forced to say Ellis is a bad football player. If you too believe that you are an ignoramus.

It was Alexander who said that Ellis has had less to overcome than Ware. Then when I pointed to the fact that Ellis is a 6-6 275 lb player who is 32 and never played in a 2 point stance before. And was able to effectively switch to a 3-4 OLB, which I think is pretty impressive.

My position in the whole matter is Jerry shouldn't cave into his demands, but we shouldn't bash Ellis either because of all he has contributed to the team.

But it looks like Jerry may cave in (From what I have heard Jerry made verbal assurances to Ellis that he never delivered on but looks like he may end up doing so):

Ellis' agent visits Valley Ranch


Jerry said he won't meet with disgruntled OLB Greg Ellis, but the owner/GM did have an extended chat with Ellis' agent during the afternoon practice.
Agent James Williams walked onto the practice field with Stephen Jones, Jerry's son and right-hand man. The trio talked on the sideline for maybe 15 minutes. The conversation was cordial, judging by the low-five exchanged by Stephen and Williams at one point.
We'll see if we can get some details about the chit-chat.
UPDATE: Jerry declined comment.
http://cowboys.beloblog.com/

 

[Hostile]

Yeah it is pretty bad. I dont understand if they thought like they do that it would at least be best to wait to see how Ellis responds to his rehab this season before even considering an extension.

You know what Fuzzy, if Ellis was a Pro Bowl caliber player, maybe, just maybe, they'd have a point to score. When you can't even use that in your argument, how weak was it to begin with.

His Rivera leadership example and Julian Peterson injury comparison absolutely stripped them of any shorts before the whip came down.

 

[5Stars]

This has Janet Reno versus Jessica Alba in a bikini contest.

I'll take Reno...get drunk and go for it! She probably has not had some lovin in A LONG TIME!

(plus, she's got money)!



:ralph:
(it's all about the money)

 

[BouncingCheese]

I'll take Reno...get drunk and go for it! She probably has not had some lovin in A LONG TIME!

(plus, she's got money)!



:ralph:
(it's all about the money)

OMIGOD...that's gross heh

 

[Hostile]

Julius is not a leader off the field like Ellis is, despite his discontent over his contract situation, nor is Julius a consistently good player like Ellis.

I mispoke there, my point was there was plenty of teams that would want him.

Actually I have not made any rash statements. It was Alexander who was forced to say Ellis is a bad football player. If you too believe that you are an ignoramus.

Really? So your confession directly above was a lie?

Oh and go real careful on the insults. Read the Guidelines.

It was Alexander who said that Ellis has had less to overcome than Ware. Then when I pointed to the fact that Ellis is a 6-6 275 lb player who is 32 and never played in a 2 point stance before. And was able to effectively switch to a 3-4 OLB, which I think is pretty impressive.

My position in the whole matter is Jerry shouldn't cave into his demands, but we shouldn't bash Ellis either because of all he has contributed to the team.

Guess what? There is no tooth fairy. No Easter Bunny. Etc.

The reality of this is, people are going to bash him. It is their right. If you don't like it, don't open the threads.

But it looks like Jerry may cave in (From what I have heard Jerry made verbal assurances to Ellis that he never delivered on but looks like he may end up doing so):

Ellis' agent visits Valley Ranch


Jerry said he won't meet with disgruntled OLB Greg Ellis, but the owner/GM did have an extended chat with Ellis' agent during the afternoon practice.
Agent James Williams walked onto the practice field with Stephen Jones, Jerry's son and right-hand man. The trio talked on the sideline for maybe 15 minutes. The conversation was cordial, judging by the low-five exchanged by Stephen and Williams at one point.
We'll see if we can get some details about the chit-chat.
UPDATE: Jerry declined comment.
http://cowboys.beloblog.com/

That's so cute.

 

[Big Dakota]

Sorry about that brah. It was the best example of lopsided I could think of.

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1. Beauty Secrets - by Janet Reno​

2. Defending Greg Ellis - by quincyyyyy & AnyGivenSunday​

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Are you attempting to be wordy in a vain attempt to appear intelligent?

Why do you ask me this? I was just articulating my thoughts about the matter.

By the way, you used the word aporia wrong. Why would you want to guide me towards being puzzled? According to you, I already am.

Aporia would be the moment in which you found that you didn't know what you thought you knew. I already knew that you were puzzled. But since you haven't become puzzled, you still think you're right. So my attempt to guide you towards that state was unsuccessful. And therefore, I am still trying to make you puzzled, so that you realize that you are wrong, so you then have knowledge in what is true and correct regarding this issue.

It was a text book usage of the term.

It is not a knee, genius. It is his Achille's tendon. It is not even close.

Does it not effect, primarily, the function of the knee?

And it's Achilles with no apostrophe, genius.

Pardon me for speaking in generalities. But people with ACL injuries, their knees don't work very well. So, it is pretty close. Depending on your definition of close. And if the knee isn't close, I'd like to know what you think is close.

Not at all. I just think they are hopeful.

Do you think they believe in miracles, or do you think they have something substantial and tangible to be hopeful about?

Or if you have another reason as to why you think the experts are hopeful, by all means, share with us.

Once more, clue us all in concerning the breakthroughs in Achilles treatments. And while you are at it, demonstrate how well it has worked with 32 year olds.

I'm simply going off of what I've seen with players like Colombo, McGahee et cetera. And I can only assume, based off of what I've read, that the articles stating that ACL injuries seriousness depend a lot on circumstances that are unique to each case.

I'm not a medical expert, but I can only deduce from what they say, and seeing players with these types of injuries come back and play that he is going to make a full recovery. That's pretty much the terminology their using.

As to the specific medical procedures and details to how one might recover from an injury, I wouldn't be able to comment because I'm not a doctor. All I am going off of is what I've read regarding the developments that have been made and reported progress.

Again, I think you're making too many generalities. Ellis' prognosis is good. That's what we're hearing from the team.

What part about "keep the spot warm" implies backup to you?

Spot on the bench, perhaps? You've never heard the term bench warmer. In any case, the stance you've taken now makes it easy to assert that you think Ellis is BETTER than Spencer. Which stands to reason that you think Ellis is worth more to the team this year than Spencer.

So, again, by your own logic, Ellis makes this team better.

So, then, wouldn't it be worth it to throw him a bone - even if it were a small one?

And an excellent dodge of my direct question about the wonders of modern medicine, I might add.

I thought you already had the answers to the question since you already knew that Greg Ellis would be starting in front of Spencer this year.

That's wonderful, isn't it?

I do not expect an effective Ellis and eventually Spencer will take over for him. It is that simple.

It's that simple, and vague, as in "eventually'. Meaning: as long as it happens anywhere between next year and 4 years from now, I'll be right.



Ok, buck-a-roo, Nice discussing these things with you today. I must go.

 

[5Stars]

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1. Beauty Secrets - by Janet Reno​

2. Defending Greg Ellis - by quincyyyyy & AnyGivenSunday​

You forgot Ellis's book, it's pretty thin too! It's titled after Beethoven's 5th Symphony in c minor.

He named it "Whine, Whine,Whine"...

I think Amazon has it in their bookstore...

 

[quincyyyyy]

Really? So your confession directly above was a lie?

Oh and go real careful on the insults. Read the Guidelines.

Guess what? There is no tooth fairy. No Easter Bunny. Etc.

The reality of this is, people are going to bash him. It is their right. If you don't like it, don't open the threads.

That's so cute.

Thank you for taking my statements out of context, smart ***. The point I was making when I said I misspoke was that there are plenty of teams that would want Ellis and we all agreed that there were approximately half the teams in the league that would want him, thus my point was made and proven to be valid. Whether it was most or half is irrelevant to the matter.

and I don't get how this is a rash statement, "My position in the whole matter is Jerry shouldn't cave into his demands, but we shouldn't bash Ellis either because of all he has contributed to the team."

Secondly I also have the right to tell people they're wrong so if I want to open threads and do so I can, without the administrator telling me I can't.

 

[5Stars]

Secondly I also have the right to tell people their wrong so if I want to open threads and do so I can, without the administrator telling me I can't.

Wanna bet on that?

:laugh2:

 

[DallasEast]

Why do you ask me this? I was just articulating my thoughts about the matter.

Aporia would be the moment in which you found that you didn't know what you thought you knew. I already knew that you were puzzled. But since you haven't become puzzled, you still think you're right. So my attempt to guide you towards that state was unsuccessful. And therefore, I am still trying to make you puzzled, so that you realize that you are wrong, so you then have knowledge in what is true and correct regarding this issue.

It was a text book usage of the term.

Does it not effect, primarily, the function of the knee?

And it's Achilles with no apostrophe, genius.

Pardon me for speaking in generalities. But people with ACL injuries, their knees don't work very well. So, it is pretty close. Depending on your definition of close. And if the knee isn't close, I'd like to know what you think is close.

Do you think they believe in miracles, or do you think they have something substantial and tangible to be hopeful about?

Or if you have another reason as to why you think the experts are hopeful, by all means, share with us.

I'm simply going off of what I've seen with players like Colombo, McGahee et cetera. And I can only assume, based off of what I've read, that the articles stating that ACL injuries seriousness depend a lot on circumstances that are unique to each case.

I'm not a medical expert, but I can only deduce from what they say, and seeing players with these types of injuries come back and play that he is going to make a full recovery. That's pretty much the terminology their using.

As to the specific medical procedures and details to how one might recover from an injury, I wouldn't be able to comment because I'm not a doctor. All I am going off of is what I've read regarding the developments that have been made and reported progress.

Again, I think you're making too many generalities. Ellis' prognosis is good. That's what we're hearing from the team.

Spot on the bench, perhaps? You've never heard the term bench warmer. In any case, the stance you've taken now makes it easy to assert that you think Ellis is BETTER than Spencer. Which stands to reason that you think Ellis is worth more to the team this year than Spencer.

So, again, by your own logic, Ellis makes this team better.

So, then, wouldn't it be worth it to throw him a bone - even if it were a small one?

I thought you already had the answers to the question since you already knew that Greg Ellis would be starting in front of Spencer this year.

That's wonderful, isn't it?

It's that simple, and vague, as in "eventually'. Meaning: as long as it happens anywhere between next year and 4 years from now, I'll be right.



Ok, buck-a-roo, Nice discussing these things with you today. I must go.

Former boxing champion Roberto Duran will now translate this entire post in Spanish. Go ahead, Mr. Duran...

"No mas!"​

 

[Ben_n_austin]

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1. Beauty Secrets - by Janet Reno​

2. Defending Greg Ellis - by quincyyyyy & AnyGivenSunday

3. World's Worst Logical Thinking - by Big Dakota.



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Clever

 

[Big Dakota]

Rumor has it Jerry has agreed to buy Grag Ellis a bag of chips because Greg thinks he's all that. Jerry thinks the compensation is equitable considering Ellis's sack production over 9 years.

 

[Alexander]

Ah, make the comparison that players have sat out years at a time and devalue Ellis' worth, but you think Ellis is going to come back and start in front of Spencer (you answer your own medical question, genius). As well as point out the contradictions that I am so easily pointing out right now.

This is a perfect example of Recuctio ad absurdum: Ellis will not make a recovery, but Ellis will make a recovery. (Perplexing)

A what?

Do you mean Reductio ad absurdum?

When you try to use fancy words and obscure phrases from a dead language to attempt to appear intellectual, try to look at the keyboard when you type. It spoils the effect if you miss a key stroke. Just a little bit of handy advice.

Back to the argument, you really try to erect straw men to thrash, but I think it is pretty easy to see through if you have an ounce of intellect.

I will reiterate. My stance of "not expecting much" from him and not being "effective" has nothing to do with "recovery".

He will probably be able to play. Just like others like Kevin Smith have. Just like Julian Peterson after a year. He, like the others, just won't be effective.

Which, given the benchmark of his career, makes him decidedly average and hardly worthy of a raise.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thank you for taking my statements out of context, smart ***. The point I was making when I said I misspoke was that there are plenty of teams that would want Ellis and we all agreed that there were approximately half the teams in the league that would want him, thus my point was made and proven to be valid. Whether it was most or half is irrelevant to the matter.

and I don't get how this is a rash statement, "My position in the whole matter is Jerry shouldn't cave into his demands, but we shouldn't bash Ellis either because of all he has contributed to the team."

Secondly I also have the right to tell people they're wrong so if I want to open threads and do so I can, without the administrator telling me I can't.

you may have had a point three years agowhen he first whined and many here gave him a pass on it. but its the same garbage every offseason and he still puts up mediocre production.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Only because you agree with what he says.

Exactly, Hos is one of those guys who thinks if the majority thinks that it's right. By golly, it must be right!!

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Exactly, Hos is one of those guys who thinks if the majority thinks that it's right. By golly, it must be right!!

:laugh2:

Once again, wrong.