Verdict's observations

[CyberB0b]

No one is trading much of anything for Lee, who has always been a part time player.

 

[Melonfeud]

Maybe. But Garrett and Stephen vacation together and the Cowboys WANT him to be the coach. Garrett has zero responsibility other than organizationally so he has very little coaching culpability, by intentional design. If he was on the hot seat he would have taken over play calling by now.

Man ,they rescinded that requirement from his job title after the first time he'd proven incapable of carrying that out& competitively preforming in it's required capacity,,,er,,,but,,,maybe enough time has past by now that they've forgotten,,,

 

[Verdict]

No one is trading much of anything for Lee, who has always been a part time player.

Kansas City needs help NOW. If Lee went on the trade block they would have to take a good hard look at him. They are going to piss off this great performance of that offense with no defense.

Leee would be playing beside Hitchens who has been a real shot in the arm for KC. Everything points to the fact that they would want Lee if the compensation is right draft pick wise. Also Lee's cap hit is in line too.

 

[kskboys]

Man ,they rescinded that requirement from his job title after the first time he'd proven incapable of carrying that out& competitively preforming in it's required capacity,,,er,,,but,,,maybe enough time has past by now that they've forgotten,,,

Yup. Forced him to stop calling plays, and he was not happy about it.

 

[Sydla]

Kansas City needs help NOW. If Lee went on the trade block they would have to take a good hard look at him. They are going to piss off this great performance of that offense with no defense.

Leee would be playing beside Hitchens who has been a real shot in the arm for KC. Everything points to the fact that they would want Lee if the compensation is right draft pick wise. Also Lee's cap hit is in line too.

I am sure they would have interest in Lee.

But they likely ain't handing us a 2nd rounder for him either.

 

[Verdict]

Man ,they rescinded that requirement from his job title after the first time he'd proven incapable of carrying that out& competitively preforming in it's required capacity,,,er,,,but,,,maybe enough time has past by now that they've forgotten,,,

Maybe. But think about it. If you were Garrett and know your future is tied to what Linehan does you would have already pulled the plug on him. Garrett would be begging to take over play calling duties, or overriding plays as they are called.

 

[Verdict]

I am sure they would have interest in Lee.

But they likely ain't handing us a 2nd rounder for him either.

They might if they thought trading a second gets them to the super bowl.

 

[Verdict]

Yup. Forced him to stop calling plays, and he was not happy about it.

That's true. OTOH what do they have to lose right now? Can Garrett be worse than Linehan?

 

[Melonfeud]

Yup. Forced him to stop calling plays, and he was not happy about it.

Copy! ,while I'll not inquiry as to you're insightful views concerning the speculative alternate past outcome were THE GARRETT to have been kept HAPPY

 

[Sydla]

They might if they thought trading a second gets them to the super bowl.

Let's stop the madness.

In no realm of possibility are you getting a 2nd round pick for Sean Lee.

I take that back. If the Jones sold Dallas and then bought the Chiefs, yes, they may trade a 2nd round pick for 33 year old LB with a significant injury history.

 

[Verdict]

Let's stop the madness.

In no realm of possibility are you getting a 2nd round pick for Sean Lee.

I take that back. If the Jones sold Dallas and then bought the Chiefs, yes, they may trade a 2nd round pick for 33 year old LB with a significant injury history.

Again, if you thought it would be the difference in going to the super bowl, you might. How much money did they pay Hitchens? Every situation is different.

 

[Melonfeud]

Maybe. But think about it. If you were Garrett and know your future is tied to what Linehan does you would have already pulled the plug on him. Garrett would be begging to take over play calling duties, or overriding plays as they are called.

copy that!,,,we all know GARRETT was a career backup Q.B. during his professional N.F.L. 'playing' career,,, there's not a doubt in my mind " heap big savvy " didn't rub off unto his casing-liner,,,but, was it the nuts&bolts of his position he was in quested search of?
( the Don air Correll strike force of F-4 phantom fame the GARRETT's Lame attack game is mirrored from stands about Zero chance in the aerial footballish warfare going up against 5th modification F-16's the other Hep Cat Coaches are launching from their runways),,,yes,I know it's a rather cheesy analogy in a kinda cool way of merely illustrating the FACTS THAT THE GARRETT DIDN'T PLAY Up to the on Field parity in continually upgradin'& re-vampin attack tactics,,, nuh-huh! ,,, it's the over the horizon VISUAL he'd versed himself well into that rarified air of untouchable altitude of suck*** integral middle management,,,

Man! That guy can't Head Coach for S*** & it's a total waste of bandwidth in stating:,,,We all know it

 

[Sydla]

Again, if you thought it would be the difference in going to the super bowl, you might. How much money did they pay Hitchens? Every situation is different.

What they paid Hitchens and what they would be willing to give up for Lee are two totally different and unrelated events.

Things we do around here - overvalue our guys and then undervalue guys we try to acquire.

 

[buybuydandavis]

5. The Amari Cooper trade was about several things, including improving the team. But possibly most importantly, if you believe he is the real deal, it tells you that the team is eliminating a bad receiving corps as an excuse, for everyone. It eliminates the shell game and should expose the real culprit.
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11. I don't think that the receivers have been the problem with this team, yet Cooper was upgrade. It won't matter if Cooper gets open if Dak can't see him.

You see how that works?

You don't think the WRs are the problem now. Yet the solution we picked for our problem was more talent at WR.

Cooper gives the rest of the team an excuse through the end of 2019.
After 2018: Hey, you can't really have expected Cooper to pick up the system and get in sync with Dak without a training camp.
After 2019: I guess Cooper really had lost it before we got him. Another Roy Williams failure. Jerry's bad. Too bad Jerry won't fire himself.

Notice the beauty of it. All of management is safe. The focus is entirely on the talent or lack thereof of the player.

Another genius move by the Garrett the Corporate Survivor. Jerry takes the fall, and no one is kicked off the island. It is such genius to get the boss to throw himself under the bus. I doff my cap to Garrett on this one.

 

[buybuydandavis]

1. I'm not sure, short of a miraculous turnaround, how Linehan can keep his job. I think he is already bought and paid for. His play calling is quite simply idiotic.

2. I think Garrett is safe for this year barring a complete collapse. You guys won't like that but Linehan is going to be the scapegoat, and also in fact the actual culprit. He's an idiot.

6. I'm all for running the ball early and often, but the choice of runs by Linehan is maddening. Predictability and running into the strength of the defense is idiotic.

7. I'm not sure if Dak is the guy or not. But the offensive line has been putrid. I'm on the fence with Dak. OTOH I'm not sure who you would replace Dak with in the draft or free agency.

You can't evaluate the oline (or Dak) with Linehan as the play caller.

Because Linehan is so predictable, the oline has to run block into stacked boxes, and pass block when the defense is teeing off on the pass rush. I think the oline is relatively stronger at run blocking, but 5 olinemen can't block 8 and 9 defenders in the box.

We're not as good at pass blocking, because Tyron's back is too stiff for him to react smoothly while backpedaling. And Williams is susceptible to a bull rush. If more passes were RPO, play action, and roll outs, those weaknesses wouldn't be as exposed, and the defense couldn't simply tee off besides.

 

[Verdict]

What they paid Hitchens and what they would be willing to give up for Lee are two totally different and unrelated events.

Things we do around here - overvalue our guys and then undervalue guys we try to acquire.

Actually it is relevant. The Chiefs are in win now mode with this offense, which is why they paid Hitchens "stupid money". Hitchens is playing well for them.

If they can acquire Lee, who has a very cap friendly contract to get them to the super bowl, then they might do it.

Actually, in some sense the inverse is true. We didn't value Hitchens as much as other teams did. And we possibly over valued Amari Cooper. Next!

 

[Verdict]

You can't evaluate the oline (or Dak) with Linehan as the play caller.

Because Linehan is so predictable, the oline has to run block into stacked boxes, and pass block when the defense is teeing off on the pass rush. I think the oline is relatively stronger at run blocking, but 5 olinemen can't block 8 and 9 defenders in the box.

We're not as good at pass blocking, because Tyron's back is too stiff for him to react smoothly while backpedaling. And Williams is susceptible to a bull rush. If more passes were RPO, play action, and roll outs, those weaknesses wouldn't be as exposed, and the defense couldn't simply tee off besides.

I agree with all of that. It's crazy that Linehan is running Zeke into the box on first down with 9 defenders crashing down on him. It's a wonder he hasn't been seriously injured yet. If it continues in this manner, his injury is most likely coming soon.

 

[buybuydandavis]

10. Dallas is still in the hunt in the NFC East. If this defense can continue to improve we will have a shot at winning the division.

We're "in the hunt" because the division lacks a strong team. The Commanders are meh, and we didn't beat them. The Cowboys and Eagles both got a win off the putrid Giants.

The division stinks, and we're not on top. We stink.

Sniveling into the playoffs with a bad team, if we even manage that, doesn't eliminate our problems, but it just may paper them over enough to mean we don't do anything about them.

 

[Verdict]

You see how that works?

You don't think the WRs are the problem now. Yet the solution we picked for our problem was more talent at WR.

Cooper gives the rest of the team an excuse through the end of 2019.
After 2018: Hey, you can't really have expected Cooper to pick up the system and get in sync with Dak without a training camp.
After 2019: I guess Cooper really had lost it before we got him. Another Roy Williams failure. Jerry's bad. Too bad Jerry won't fire himself.

Notice the beauty of it. All of management is safe. The focus is entirely on the talent or lack thereof of the player.

Another genius move by the Garrett the Corporate Survivor. Jerry takes the fall, and no one is kicked off the island. It is such genius to get the boss to throw himself under the bus. I doff my cap to Garrett on this one.

I think the issue is broader than that. Here are my thoughts on that:

1. Linehan has to go. Period. I am not sure how to even defend him at this point.

2. The offensive line is "most likely" part of the failure of this offense. Maybe even the single biggest failure other than Linehan.

3. Receivers have been getting open, but Dak hasn't been seeing them. While the receiving corps hasn't been the biggest culprit, if you go from the weakest guy on the roster to Amari Cooper that's one more guy that the defense has to account for with significant resources.

If Cooper is getting double coverage, Beasley isn't. That in and of itself may make a difference. But it is removing one of the "shells" and helping us find the "pea".

4. Dak has also been part of the problem, but he has been running for his life, so it's hard to evaluate him. Again, if you remove receivers as a possible excuse it helps the team evaluate Dak and eliminates some of the variables.

5. I'm lukewarm on the trade, and am willing to wait and see what happens, but I don't like the cap hit or the compensation, but it's done so we wait and see how it turns out.

6. To simplify this even further, if Linehan does a better job calling plays it makes everything look better.

 

[glimmerman]

27 million per year? I don't think Dak will cost near that much, but a I have been wrong before.

I know starting QB get premium pay. But if Dak doesn’t improve quite a bit and they give him 27 million then this is a bad deal for us. Unless it’s a 2 or 3 year deal with way less guaranteed money.