Vet DE pickup later on

[Bluestang]

How are you calculating that?

Look at what the cap has been since the new CBA and where it's at now.

The percentage of pushed money is far more than what the cap is being increased.

Your model is over simplified but it doesn't really model what the Cowboys are actually doing. This year alone they are the second least spenders in the NFL because they are swallowing $25.5M of dead money that is directly related to the $20M they were over two seasons ago. That's a bigger percentage of dead money vs what the cap has risen from 2010.

They are spending $99M if the $133 cap limit. That's a huge disadvantage.

 

[CCBoy]

Look at what the cap has been since the new CBA and where it's at now.

The percentage of pushed money is far more than what the cap is being increased.

Your model is over simplified but it doesn't really model what the Cowboys are actually doing. This year alone they are the second least spenders in the NFL because they are swallowing $25.5M of dead money that is directly related to the $20M they were over two seasons ago. That's a bigger percentage of dead money vs what the cap has risen from 2010.

They are spending $99M if the $133 cap limit. That's a huge disadvantage.

That part of it also means one has to pay a large enough group of good players to be competitive in between the growth periods of just pure youth. Although it is the preferred method, that holds no guarantee in execution and player quality once that goes into effect. There is more of a medium effect between veterans and 'rooks.' Great deals in the later, just don't jump out of the woodwork, unless the players are Melton, Okoye, McClain, and Spencer...and that at least has a good deal of merit working for them all. Like that snapshot or not.

 

[Nightman]

Look at what the cap has been since the new CBA and where it's at now.

The percentage of pushed money is far more than what the cap is being increased.

Your model is over simplified but it doesn't really model what the Cowboys are actually doing. This year alone they are the second least spenders in the NFL because they are swallowing $25.5M of dead money that is directly related to the $20M they were over two seasons ago. That's a bigger percentage of dead money vs what the cap has risen from 2010.

They are spending $99M if the $133 cap limit. That's a huge disadvantage.

That's the cap charge, not cash. Dallas converted a ton of salary to bonuses and paid them upfront. That is why a lot of other teams don't do it. It takes a lot of cash on hand.

Not being rude, but you are way off about the cap and pushing money forward. XWalker explained it pretty thoroughly. If you create 40m in cap space and end with 25m in dead money, you are still ahead of the game and are able to spend MORE than other teams every year.

 

[jterrell]

guys to watch imho:
daquan bowers
cliff matthews
dwight freeney
calvin pace
stephen bowen

 

[xwalker]

Look at what the cap has been since the new CBA and where it's at now.

The percentage of pushed money is far more than what the cap is being increased.

Your model is over simplified but it doesn't really model what the Cowboys are actually doing. This year alone they are the second least spenders in the NFL because they are swallowing $25.5M of dead money that is directly related to the $20M they were over two seasons ago. That's a bigger percentage of dead money vs what the cap has risen from 2010.

They are spending $99M if the $133 cap limit. That's a huge disadvantage.

Their current spend is more than $99M because they are pushing money forward.

I'll try another example. Let's say that the dead money is 5M and Romo is the only player on the roster and the cap limit is 18M. That would "look" like this:

Cap Limit 18M
Dead 5M

18M - 5M = 13M

It appears that they are only able to spend 13M of the 18M cap limit; however, Romo's average total pay per year on his contract 17M. That indicates that they have a 17M per year player on the team with a cap limit of 18M. They are effectively using 17M of the 18M cap, not 13M. The difference between 17M and 13M is 4M which is the amount on average that is effectively being pushed forward. The previous amount had been 5M; therefore, they are operating at a sustainable rate because they reduced the push forward by 1M.

Dead Money and Push Forward are not the same. To determine money pushed forward, you take the total that the player gets paid for all years including bonuses and divide by the number of years the player is on the roster. If the player's cap hit is less than his average pay, then the difference is pushed forward into future years.

You would have to look at the total push forward amount to see if it is increasing or decreasing relative to the cap limit increase. Dead Money is just the part of push forward money for players no longer on the roster. There is some randomness in terms of how dead money occurs each year. It's the overall Push Forward amount that is critical, not the dead money portion. Romo's cap hit in 2014 is 11M but his average pay is 17M; therefore, 6M is pushed forward from his contract and that is not dead money because he is still on the roster.

FYI - The dead money was higher in 2013 than it is in 2014 and projects to be significantly lower in 2015.

 

[reddyuta]

guys to watch imho:
daquan bowers
cliff matthews
dwight freeney
calvin pace
stephen bowen

Bowen is about to get cut?

 

[Bluestang]

I'm done arguing the salary cap here, you can convince yourselves any which way that the Cowboys are doing the right things with restructuring. The bottom line is that they couldn't bring in quality FAs on the OL because they had no money, and they are doing the same song and dance with the DL right now.

I have laid out more than a few examples, and I'll stand by what I say despite the over simplification of how the cap charges are being affected each time they restructure a contract.

The Cowboys got punished by the other owners when they saw what they tried to do to fix the "pushed forward" money in the uncapped year. So did the Commanders.

Stephen is just like his father, and has people drinking the salary cap koolaid but they have a journeymen FAs on the roster that no other teams wanted.

I rest my case.

 

[Nightman]

I'm done arguing the salary cap here, you can convince yourselves any which way that the Cowboys are doing the right things with restructuring. The bottom line is that they couldn't bring in quality FAs on the OL because they had no money, and they are doing the same song and dance with the DL right now.

I have laid out more than a few examples, and I'll stand by what I say despite the over simplification of how the cap charges are being affected each time they restructure a contract.

The Cowboys got punished by the other owners when they saw what they tried to do to fix the "pushed forward" money in the uncapped year. So did the Commanders.

Stephen is just like his father, and has people drinking the salary cap koolaid but they have a journeymen FAs on the roster that no other teams wanted.

I rest my case.

They are 11m under the cap right now and could get to 20m very easily. How is that NO MONEY????

Don't let the facts get in the way of your position.

 

[Bluestang]

They are 11m under the cap right now and could get to 20m very easily. How is that NO MONEY????

Don't let the facts get in the way of your position.

It's actually about $9.5M, you probably forgot the Smith deal.

You are late to the discussion, but they are projected to be at $142M with 51 players signed to a contract for 2015.

This is without the Dez contract, and if the salary cap for next year goes up to $140M.

Those are the brutal facts.

 

[Nightman]

It's actually about $9.5M, you probably forgot the Smith deal.

You are late to the discussion, but they are projected to be at $142M with 51 players signed to a contract for 2015.

This is without the Dez contract, and if the salary cap for next year goes up to $140M.

Those are the brutal facts.

Those aren't brutal at all and I factored in the Smith deal.

Dallas has about 20m in planned restructures, plus Free, Carr and Melton to deal with.

Plus early projections on the cap are well above 140m and they are likely to have some rollover from this season

Dez is under control and a new deal will not be a big bump for 2015

 

[CCBoy]

It's actually about $9.5M, you probably forgot the Smith deal.

You are late to the discussion, but they are projected to be at $142M with 51 players signed to a contract for 2015.

This is without the Dez contract, and if the salary cap for next year goes up to $140M.

Those are the brutal facts.

Son, do you remember AdamJT? Well, X doesn't miss out on knowledge that Adam would agree to as well.

And you still present an agenda focused series of conditions and facts. You don't prove what you are tossing around...but lend a deaf ear on all direction information that you see merely as a challenge to your partial set of points.

By having poor listening skills to plenty of truth being tossed your way...hey, you're the loser there. And a poor attitude doesn't improve upon that.

 

[CCBoy]

Bowen is about to get cut?

There was an effort at signing him to a new and lower level of contract. That doesn't guarantee his retention by Washington, although. He had some recently harsh injury issues...and they are seeking immediate resolution of their many problems.

For all the complaints around this joint, Snyder should be a fan favorite for that crowd.

No, I'm not referencing yourself. Just humor relief with some targeted information for yourself.

 

[BAT]

guys to watch imho:
daquan bowers
cliff matthews
dwight freeney
calvin pace
stephen bowen

Thanks for getting topic back on track. Not sure about Bowen or Pace becoming available but would be great pickups. Skins actually have a lot of talent that may become available but more DTs ( Neild, Geathers, Baker, Golston) than DEs (Everette Brown, maybe Trent Murphy).

Would have interest in following:

Margus Hunt, Bengals
Manny Lawson, Bills
Antwan Barnes, Jets
Cordarro Law, Chargers
Sam Montgomery, Bengals
Jackson Jeffcoat, Seahawks
Zach Moore, Patriots
Paul Hazel, Texans

Some guys would be pass rush specialist and/or SAM on 1st / 2nd downs: Lawson, Barnes, Hazel

 

[CCBoy]

guys to watch imho:
daquan bowers
cliff matthews
dwight freeney
calvin pace
stephen bowen

I still have an autographed Stephen Bowen football from when the Cowboys played a Charity Basketball game here in Corpus Christi. Fun games.

 

[Alexander]

Bowen is about to get cut?

The Commanders restructured his contract. I doubt he is going anywhere.

 

[CCBoy]

The Commanders restructured his contract. I doubt he is going anywhere.

His retention isn't yet guaranteed in Washington...

 

[Bluestang]

Son, do you remember AdamJT? Well, X doesn't miss out on knowledge that Adam would agree to as well.

And you still present an agenda focused series of conditions and facts. You don't prove what you are tossing around...but lend a deaf ear on all direction information that you see merely as a challenge to your partial set of points.

By having poor listening skills to plenty of truth being tossed your way...hey, you're the loser there. And a poor attitude doesn't improve upon that.

Because I don't agree with xwalker's information I am poor listener and I have a poor attitude? Yea, OK. I've presented my argument so has xwalker. We don't agree and that's the end of it.

The fact that you can't see how your posts derail a healthy discussion is mind boggling considering your vocabulary.

 

[CCBoy]

Because I don't agree with xwalker's information I am poor listener and I have a poor attitude? Yea, OK. I've presented my argument so has xwalker. We don't agree and that's the end of it.

The fact that you can't see how your posts derail a healthy discussion is mind boggling considering your vocabulary.

Sorry Charlie, you never arrive at a definitive resolution to the discussion. It's not just failure to agree. You leave the argument not accepting any of the rebuttal, but based upon facts in argument, yet actually provide ZERO reinforcing information backed by a reputable source, for anything.

By not seeking an outside reference to points in discussion...no, that isn't comic relief or a discussion. That is entering in what should be an analysis and leaving with the same stereotype that one entered into what should have been a discovery process.

You merely disagree and don't present an actual case that discounts facts you haven't yet established as either true or valid.

You are the one all hung out to dry on personality.

 

[Bluestang]

Sorry Charlie, you never arrive at a definitive resolution to the discussion. It's not just failure to agree. You leave the argument not accepting any of the rebuttal, but based upon facts in argument, yet actually provide ZERO reinforcing information backed by a reputable source, for anything.

By not seeking an outside reference to points in discussion...no, that isn't comic relief or a discussion. That is entering in what should be an analysis and leaving with the same stereotype that one entered into what should have been a discovery process.

You merely disagree and don't present an actual case that discounts facts you haven't yet established as either true or valid.

You are the one all hung out to dry on personality.

Sure, whatever you say. You've already derailed this thread once. Two times isn't good enough for you?

I've yet to see you bring any facts to the table yourself, no scenarios, no figures, nada. All you've done is finger point.

Someone needs to take their own advice about the burn barrel.

 

[Bluestang]

Stephen Bowen underwent a microfracture procedure on his knee.

The details of his re-worked deal haven't come out, but he may be taking a pay cut ala Doug Free.