Vick Goes Bankrupt

[Avenging Hayseed]

Lastly....I get the biggest kick out of these folks who compare hunting to DOG FIGHTING!....Listen, If you dont know the difference between a quick kill from a high powered rifle, where the animal suffers as little as possible, and the animals meat is used for food, .............and two dogs slowly ripping each other to DEATH, so some broke scumbag can bet 20 bucks on the outcome...........then YOU are already too far gone and myself nor anyone else should waste their time explaining the difference to you.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Product of his environment. Total BS. Why did he hide it if he thought it was not wrong? Oh, just because its against the law of course.
Vick is a scumbag and deserves everything he gets.
And true there is hypocrisy in the NFL because other people who have done bad are still playing. That is just as wrong.

What?!? I am not trying to be rude but did you seriously think this post out? He hid it because it was illegal, yes. No der! There are tons of things illegal in my state that I do anyway. Has anyone checked out their states outdate sodomy laws?? Lol! Have you driven home after one beer? Have you tossed the smallest amount of trash out of a window? Have you eaten a grape while in a grocery store? Have you tipped less than 10% at any time?

Isn't there a person on our team that slept with a minor? A person who was convicted of the crime? Didn't Deion skip out on a car bill because Jesus told him not to pay it?

So what makes it horrible?

• Because it was illegal? No, because we have people on our team we are pulling for with their second chances. We even just put our WR in the HoF when he has had 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances for his illegal activities. We are now cheering for a guy that has been arrested 6 times in two years or something like that. But he has paid his debt so blah blah blah.
• Because it is an animal? No, hunting has been rulled out.
• Because it was wrong? I doubt it. I am sure we all partake in our own personal levels of wrong as stated above.
• Because it was a domestic animal? I guess the difference is life style like I have stated before. I know plenty people that have no problem using a 12 cent solution for their own dog that has tried to bite them.
• Because it was cruel and unusual? Yeah, that is what does it for me.
• Because a ton of us feel he was overrated so we are wanting to see him fall as fast as possible? That is a good possibility.

 

[DallasEast]

Michael Vick -

• Consciously created the Bad News Kennels dogfighting operation for profit and enjoyment
• Knowingly bankrolled the illegal operation for years
• Willingly and personally slaughtered a minimum of six dogs while conducting the federally unlawful act by means of electrocution, drowning, hanging and/or other means

He was correctly (and somewhat leniently according to my novice interpretation of federal sentencing guidelines) sentenced to nearly two years in federal prison.

Facts. If any American citizen doesn't like it, help...

Change

The

Law

Otherwise, if you or anyone else commits the same illegal act and gets caught, you too will be going to the federal pen.

Simple. 100% lawful. End of story.

Now (I wish ), the only true remaining debate is what will happen to Vick's professional football career. Goodell's on record for stating that Vick's ability to return to the NFL will be evaluated after the legal process has ended.

Vick was facing two Virginia dogfighting offenses which are each punishable up to five years each. If convicted of one or both crimes, he would transfer to state prison after his federal sentence concludes and could be incarcerated up to ten years. What ever happened to the state trial? I know that it got delayed last April. Has it been rescheduled?

In before the thread is closed.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Michael Vick -

• Consciously created the Bad News Kennels dogfighting operation for profit and enjoyment
• Knowingly bankrolled the illegal operation for years
• Willingly and personally slaughtered a minimum of six dogs while conducting the federally unlawful act by means of electrocution, drowning, hanging and/or other means

He was correctly (and somewhat leniently according to my novice interpretation of federal sentencing guidelines) sentenced to nearly two years in federal prison.

Facts. If any American citizen doesn't like it, help...

Change

The

Law

Otherwise, if you or anyone else commits the same illegal act and gets caught, you too will be going to the federal pen.

Simple. 100% lawful. End of story.

Awesome post!! Except the point isn't if it is illegal, it is if one should feel sorry for him

 

[FanSince61]

His state trial is on hold until he is out of federal prison

http://www.charlottesvillenewsplex.tv/news/headlines/19765239.html

 

[DallasEast]

Awesome post!! Except the point isn't if it is illegal, it is if one should feel sorry for him

It is the point. No one should feel sorry for someone who knowingly committed a crime of this type. Human beings are compassionate by nature and sometimes ignorant by choice. Fundamental difference.

His state trial is on hold until he is out of federal prison

http://www.charlottesvillenewsplex.tv/news/headlines/19765239.html

Thanks!

 

[joseephuss]

Why should anyone feel sorry for Vick? Or Pacman? Or Tank? Or Leonard Little? You can feel compassion for someone and think that everyone deserves a second chance. I don't think that is the same as feeling sorry for them. Little has already abused his second chance and since in the first one he killed someone I have no compassion for him.

 

[Velvet Jones]

It is the point. No one should feel sorry for someone who knowingly committed a crime of this type. Human beings are compassionate by nature and sometimes ignorant by choice. Fundamental difference.

We just disagree. Living here in Maryland with the snipings, I can feel sorry for the son being raised thinking that is the right way to do things. Compassion is what makes us human. Blind compassion is something different.

Why should anyone feel sorry for Vick? Or Pacman? Or Tank? Or Leonard Little?..

Or why should anyone not feel sorry? Remember, the debate started because someone stated that they felt bad for him and then people didn't care for that, not the other way around. I can understand why people don't feel sorry. I don't agree, but I can understand.

 

[joseephuss]

We just disagree. Living here in Maryland with the snipings, I can feel sorry for the son being raised thinking that is the right way to do things. Compassion is what makes us human. Blind compassion is something different.




Or why should anyone not feel sorry? Remember, the debate started because someone stated that they felt bad for him and then people didn't care for that, not the other way around. I can understand why people don't feel sorry. I don't agree, but I can understand.

I have no problems if someone feels sorry for Vick. It is not a character flaw. I don't feel sorry for him. He will get his second chance. He probably won't do much with it. It is just difficult to sit out of the game for a year or two and come back and do well. Especially at the QB position. Especially when he was not a great QB to begin with.

 

[Velvet Jones]

I definitely doubt he will be back in the NFL. No team will want him and the NFL won't make money on him anymore. He was a marketing QB that was only "that good" because everyone on ESPN said "how good" he was... over and over and over again. No one will buy his jerseys and no companies will want him promoting anything of theirs. I truely believe he is done with the NFL and rightfully so.

 

[Brandon]

How hunting relates to dog fighting is beyond me.

I don't hunt, never have never will. But I've talked with hunters before and there is a "humane" way to kill a deer, etc, so they die within seconds of getting hit with the bullet. Dog Fighting, there is no human way, these animals get tortured and fight their entire lives.

Electricuting dogs or shooting a deer in the head....it doesn't seem to match.

But whatever, looking at the past posts of the ******* who made the statement doesn't surprise me.

 

[burmafrd]

Anyone who tries to defend dog fighting is frankly from Mars and needs to go back there right away.

 

[Referee]

I am torn based on his crime... Unforgivable!

I am also saddened to see any man who had it all! More than many of us can imagine, get subjected to sheer utter humiliation and then lose everything including personal freedom, because of what??? Stupidity, ignorance and greed and other homeboy influences of evil proportions.

This is another American made tragedy.

 

[DallasEast]

We just disagree. Living here in Maryland with the snipings, I can feel sorry for the son being raised thinking that is the right way to do things. Compassion is what makes us human. Blind compassion is something different.

We more than disagree.

At some point in his life, Michael Vick was faced with a choice.

He could start, finance, interact, profit and enjoy an illegal dogfighting operation, which he was fully aware could result in some form of legal prosecution.

OR

Invested in something totally different and without legal consequences.

He chose the former.

Now, if Vick had been conditioned by his childhood to believe that dogfighting was legal, I could possibly feel some sympathy for him. People should feel compassion for the mentally ill. However, all of his actions indicate that he was fully aware that he was conducting an illegal operation. In other words, he knowingly broke the law for a crime that he had zero justification breaking whatsoever. I will not feel pity for someone torturing animals for pleasure and profit.

...actually, I do feel something for Vick. Anger. The more I think about him getting more time for doing something he could have avoided as easily as breathing--the more I chuckle. He's proving that old saying is so true. Payback's a

******. I'm chuckling again.

 

[Velvet Jones]

In other words, he knowingly broke the law for a crime that he had zero justification breaking whatsoever. I will not feel pity for someone torturing animals for pleasure and profit.

So which is it? He broke the law or the degree of which he broke the law. Maybe the debate will work better if people stop trying to infer that I believe Vick was justified or that "he does not deserve to be punished."

Guys; Vick broke the law. He deserves to be punished. Stop debating as if I do not believe this or that anyone here believes differently.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We more than disagree.

At some point in his life, Michael Vick was faced with a choice.

He could start, finance, interact, profit and enjoy an illegal dogfighting operation, which he was fully aware could result in some form of legal prosecution.

OR

Invested in something totally different and without legal consequences.

He chose the former.

Now, if Vick had been conditioned by his childhood to believe that dogfighting was legal, I could possibly feel some sympathy for him. People should feel compassion for the mentally ill. However, all of his actions indicate that he was fully aware that he was conducting an illegal operation. In other words, he knowingly broke the law for a crime that he had zero justification breaking whatsoever. I will not feel pity for someone torturing animals for pleasure and profit.

...actually, I do feel something for Vick. Anger. The more I think about him getting more time for doing something he could have avoided as easily as breathing--the more I chuckle. He's proving that old saying is so true. Payback's a

******. I'm chuckling again.

When Vick was finally brought to justice, I toasted Madame Justice (who is not blind) with a Shiner Bock.

That Vick did something LEGALLY wrong is not the issue.
He is being punished.
What I also don't like is the seeming glee that some have about his misfortunes.
Only the truly weak or cowardly would enjoy kicking a man (or dog) while he is down.
Laws and what generate them are truly subjective.
In the U.S., dogfighting and cockfighting are illegal.
In the U.S., boxing (even for kids) is legal.
So is rodeo, which subjects animals to all kinds of cruelty. (Oh, it doesn't hurt the steers when they are roped by the neck; let someone try it on you).
Traditional bullfighting is illegal here, though I have no problem with it.
Oh, yes, in the U.S. putting people to death (in prisons) is legal. Something that is abhorrent to those in countries in which bullfighting and dog fighting are legal and which we choose to criticize.
Our sense and sensibilities are no better or worse than other countries or other cultures or other lifestyles.
We pick and choose our laws and we are obliged to live by them.
We can argue forever what is moral or immoral.

Vick IS being punished. To jump at glee and rub our hands AND chuckle over his misfortunes are a bit sadistic and juvenile.

Let us act like men. Like Americans. And remember that there for the grace of god . . . .

 

[DallasEast]

So which is it? He broke the law or the degree of which he broke the law.

Both.

Maybe the debate will work better if people stop trying to infer that I believe Vick was justified or that "he does not deserve to be punished."

Debate? There is no 'debate'. Vick was convicted of a crime and he doesn't deserve compassion for knowingly commiting that crime.

Guys; Vick broke the law. He deserves to be punished. Stop debating as if I do not believe this or that anyone here believes differently.

I'm not speaking for anyone else. Again, Vick broke a law for absolutely no reason whatsoever. If there is a 'debate' about feeling sorry for Vick because of that fact, there is essentially no 'debate'.

When Vick was finally brought to justice, I toasted Madame Justice (who is not blind) with a Shiner Bock.

That Vick did something LEGALLY wrong is not the issue.
He is being punished.

Some would say that he isn't being punished enough. However, he does have to face state criminal charges, so it all balances out in the end.

What I also don't like is the seeming glee that some have about his misfortunes.

You may be misinterpreting base satisfaction for glee.

Only the truly weak or cowardly would enjoy kicking a man (or dog) while he is down.

Oh please. Vick placed himself in his current predicament. The only victim here are dogs, not some multimillionaire with a sadistic animalistic streak. Talk about melodrama...

Laws and what generate them are truly subjective.

The law is just. Next...

In the U.S., dogfighting and cockfighting are illegal.

duh.

In the U.S., boxing (even for kids) is legal.

The ball has been hit deep into left field!!! It's going way back! Back back back! It's... curves foul.

So is rodeo, which subjects animals to all kinds of cruelty. (Oh, it doesn't hurt the steers when they are roped by the neck; let someone try it on you).

This analogy only works if the animals involved are tortured into being maimed or killed. If not, it fails miserably.

Traditional bullfighting is illegal here, though I have no problem with it.

Are you sure??? Maybe if you picture Vick as a matador, you'll change your opinion.

Oh, yes, in the U.S. putting people to death (in prisons) is legal.

Will Vick be getting the needle???!!!11! You've introduced the concept of capital punishment. For what reason? Are you equating what Vick did to capital punishment for dogs? Are you stating that since capital punishment is wrong, torturing, maiming and killing dogs should be less punishable? What? Another drive hit deep...

Something that is abhorrent to those in countries in which bullfighting and dog fighting are legal and which we choose to criticize.

Criticism isn't bound by borders and justifiable criticism is even less so.

Our sense and sensibilities are no better or worse than other countries or other cultures or other lifestyles.

The human race is vast in its diversity. Morality is an integral component of humanity. We use that part of our selves to govern our choices of conduct. Do we always get it right? Nope. Do we always get it wrong? Nope. Do we sometimes get it right? Sure, and in Vick's case, we certainly didn't get it wrong.

We pick and choose our laws and we are obliged to live by them.

You forgot, "and feel sorry for those who don't require it".

We can argue forever what is moral or immoral.

Yep. What Vick (and people like him) did knowingly was immoral and for some unfathomable reason, people wish to 'argue' about expressing compassion for his sake. Why? Stay tuned.

Vick IS being punished. To jump at glee and rub our hands AND chuckle over his misfortunes are a bit sadistic and juvenile.

It's doubtful that anyone's 'jumping with glee'. It's equally doubtful that anyone's 'rubbing their hands'. Now, if you wish to label me sadistic and juvenile for chuckling over the fact that Vick is not getting exactly what he deserves in my opinion, since I believe that he received a lighter-than-mandated federal sentence, be my guest. However, some people equate the word 'sadistic' with electrocuting, hanging, etc., dogs. Others equate the word with the act of chuckling. Some people live atop 50,000 radio broadcast towers pretending to be Edward R. Murrow. Others live with their feet firmly planted on the ground. That's life as we know it on planet earth, but the 'juvenile' part is interesting. While it's 'juvenile' to feel satisfaction that the U.S. justice system actually got something right, it's 'mature' for some to think that a person who purposely electrocuted, hung, etc., etc., dogs for absolutely zero, remotely conceivable motivation should be pitied. hmm...

Let us act like men.

And sane. And realistic. And let's fight that inner demon which compels every single one of us to torture dogs to death every waking moment for kicks. Like Vick!

Like Americans.

Which Americans? Those of us outside of prison for not commiting crimes? Or those who we should feel sorry for those justifiably convicted of crimes which were motivated solely by greed and pleasure? Just asking.

And remember that there for the grace of god . . . .

...you can be human enough to not kill for greed and pleasure alone. Good one.

Turn that frown upside down! Turn that radio mike off and love a dog! Today!

I love cats, not dogs. Defending dogs is becoming somewhat nauseating. uke:

 

[stealth]

did someone just spend that much time on gimme?

 

[DallasEast]

did someone just spend that much time on gimme?

Don't say, "ON gimme", for pete's sake! Say something like, "did someone just spend that much time replying to gimme". eww. I feel as icky as a dog killer now.