Vick vs Prescott?

[OmerV]

Can you name a run first QB prior to the Super Bowl era that won a championship? Back in the earlier days of football there was a lot of running but I can’t think of a team in any era that ever won a championship with a QB that did it mostly with their legs. Michael Vick and Lamar Jackson are the two greatest running QBs we’ve ever seen at the NFL level and Randall Cunningham wasn’t far behind. Bobby Douglas was a great running QB for the Bears back in the day and none of them won a championship. The best running QB to win a Super Bowl was Steve Young but he was a great passer and he threw a SB record 6 TD passes in the Super Bowl.

I couldn't think of one off the top of my head, but I felt it wouldn't be that hard to look back into the 1950's and earlier to find one. Turns out I was wrong. The last time I found a run first QB winning the NFL championship was with the 1934 Giants.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Virtue Signaling at it's atrocious best

I think it ...might be...a bit hypocritical...for you to berate people for judging Vick...and yet do it yourself right here.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

I think it ...might be...a bit hypocritical...for you to berate people for judging Vick...and yet do it yourself right here.

BS show me one post where have said one derogatory word against Vick or those that judge him? I point out the fallacy in what they type

Nice try though

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

And I'll say it again wishing Death upon someone for killing a dog is virtue signaling

 

[eromeopolk]

You think Dak hangs onto the ball too long? Vick needed an extra TWO seconds more than Dak. That’s why he was ALWAYS at or near the top of the league in sacks. No fff thanks.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

BS show me one post where have said one derogatory word against Vick or those that judge him? I point out the fallacy in what they type

Nice try though

You called it "virtue signaling"...as if you know what's in their hearts. That phrase is a damnation of their intent. A judging. You were calling them out for judging Vick as a person and then did the same thing yourself.

You can disagree all you want...it doesn't change what you did.

Caveat: there are of course times when intent and worth are painfully obvious. But an internet sports message board? That's is dangerous ground and quite arrogant really.

Caveat 2: you can disagree with them....that is fine! But you issued judgement of their character. That's different. You clearly did the same thing you berate them for.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

You called it "virtue signaling"...as if you know what's in their hearts. That phrase is a damnation of their intent. A judging. You were calling them out for judging Vick as a person and then did the same thing yourself.

You can disagree all you want...it doesn't change what you did.

Caveat: there are of course times when intent and worth are painfully obvious. But an internet sports message board? That's is dangerous ground and quite arrogant really.

Caveat 2: you can disagree with them....that is fine! But you issued judgement of their character. That's different. You clearly did the same thing you berate them for.

I called it virtue signaling Because it is. I do not need to nor want to know whats in their hearts. It is a phase of damnation at what they did , what's in their heart a i cannot nor do i wish to speculate upon. I did not call anybody out for judging

Vick, I called them out for Virtue signaling.

Sir I may seem arrogant to you, and I respect you right to that opinion. I vehemently disagree, but still respect your right to that opinion.

So no sir I did not do what you accused me of

 

[JoeKing]

Vick was a great player once upon a time. Dak never was.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I called it virtue signaling Because it is. I do not need to nor want to know whats in their hearts. It is a phase of damnation at what they did , what's in their heart a i cannot nor do i wish to speculate upon. I did not call anybody out for judging

Vick, I called them out for Virtue signaling.

Sir I may seem arrogant to you, and I respect you right to that opinion. I vehemently disagree, but still respect your right to that opinion.

So no sir I did not do what you accused me of

Then you have no idea what "virtue signaling" means. And what it means to accuse people of it.

It's very simple...you are JUDGING them...okay? Simple.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Yo my mans no need to get all aggressive. I disagree with your take. Virtue signaling means just what it says. No need to bring what I do or do not know into it

I know what virtue signaling means. To me what they did fits the description. No biggie though

Have a good one

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

vir·tue sig·nal·ing

1. the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
   "it's noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things" As in I hate Vick, he should be tied up an thrown into the middle of the ocean. Thank you sir but I do know what virtue signaling is and the post I referred to was indeed THAT

 

[Cowboysfandarin]

Can’t really compare the two IMO. But two things Vic was by far better at, running and arm strength quick release. Dak is no match. But head in the game, playing smart? Dak wins.

 

[Section446]

One guy changed the game, the other is just a dude.

 

[kskboys]

Vick was a great player once upon a time. Dak never was.

He was never great. Or close to great.

 

[kskboys]

One guy changed the game, the other is just a dude.

He didn't. Cunningham.

Man, you guys are just bad at history.

 

[kskboys]

Can you name a run first QB prior to the Super Bowl era that won a championship? Back in the earlier days of football there was a lot of running but I can’t think of a team in any era that ever won a championship with a QB that did it mostly with their legs. Michael Vick and Lamar Jackson are the two greatest running QBs we’ve ever seen at the NFL level and Randall Cunningham wasn’t far behind. Bobby Douglas was a great running QB for the Bears back in the day and none of them won a championship. The best running QB to win a Super Bowl was Steve Young but he was a great passer and he threw a SB record 6 TD passes in the Super Bowl.

Young was not a running QB.

 

[kskboys]

When teams played the Falcons and Vick/ opposing D/C game planned to stop Vick, when teams play the Cowboys today opposing D/C gameplan to stop everybody but Dak...that's all you need to know

And aside from a few hiccups, opposing D's were very good at stopping Vick. Vick was good for like 1 1/2 years.

 

[kskboys]

lol michael jenkins was not an excellent number 2 knock it off. and he had Roddy part time before the leap

Knock it off? Too funny. Football's not your thing, I see. Part time? That doesn't make sense.

Don't you find it ironic how Roddy's career took off after Vick left?

 

[Proof]

Knock it off? Too funny. Football's not your thing, I see. Part time? That doesn't make sense.

Don't you find it ironic how Roddy's career took off after Vick left?

yeah "knock it off" is something you say when someone says something goofy and you're jokingly highlighting it in a way that's not disrespectful. kinda that opposite of your approach, but we can't all be gentlemen.

but anywho, ironic? no. more of concerted and dramatic effort to improve on Roddy's end. Here it is from his own mouth though:

One person who worked for the Falcons at the time White first arrived admitted the brass in Flowery Branch had a huge case of buyer's remorse after they saw White in his first training camp and through most of his first two seasons. That person said there was a moment during White’s rookie season when an assistant coach stood up in a meeting and said White simply wasn’t good enough to play in the NFL and there was no argument in response.

“I guess the easiest way to put it was that I just finally grew up,’’ White said.

That’s the simple way to put it, but White is quick to point out that it was much more complex than that. He’s even quicker to point out that he had some help.

“I’d gone through life just getting by on being a good natural athlete,’’ White said. “That’s the way I approached it my first two years and, in the NFL, it’s not good enough to just be an athlete.’’

“When coach [Jim] Mora and his guys were here, I was eating a lot of cheeseburgers and going at about 215 [pounds],’’ White said. “When Paul Petrino came in, he sat me down and said, 'You need to get back to where you were in college.' I got back to around 205 to 208 and I suddenly realized I was moving faster and jumping higher. But it wasn’t just that. Paul Petrino worked me so hard and pushed me to string together good practices, go out there and do it every day.’’

Paul Petrino got some help from another source. In 2007, the Falcons brought in veteran wide receiver Joe Horn, in large part because they weren’t sure if White could play. But Horn ended up being part of the reason White has been playing so well in recent years.

“Playing with Joe was the best thing to ever happen to me,’’ White said. “He was a guy who had been to Pro Bowls and he took me under his wing and really taught me what this league is all about. He’s the one who made me realize what’s expected of you if you’re going to be a good pro. He’s the one who taught me that you have to prepare mentally every day and you have to go out and practice hard every day. He’s the one who showed me that this game takes so much more effort than I was putting into it.’’

 

[DCowboyz]

I'd always choose Mike Vick because well he's my favorite QB of all time. I think he would have been a better passer if he didn't end up in prison.