Video: Aikman: Jenkins now Cowboys best CB

[theogt]

Theo is correct.

Me, Aikman, the Cowboys coaching staff, half the fan base and the player himself are incorrect.

:laugh2:

1. The Cowboys coaching staff and the player do not agree with you.

2. Half the fanbase wanted to trade Romo for Cutler, so you can agree with them til the cows come home and all that shows is that you're as stupid as they are.

Saying that Jenkins struggled his rookie season says you're friggin' borderline ******** re: football.

 

[dcfanatic]

1. The Cowboys coaching staff and the player do not agree with you.

2. Half the fanbase wanted to trade Romo for Cutler, so you can agree with them til the cows come home and all that shows is that you're as stupid as they are.

Saying that Jenkins struggled his rookie season says you're friggin' borderline ******** re: football.

http://blog.imgacademies.com/2009/07/17/getting-to-know-mike-jenkins-of-the-dallas-cowboys/

Jenkins on his rookie season: I felt like it went mediocre. My whole rookie year, I was just thinking the whole time. I didn’t realize how fast it would be. In college, it was easy for me. I was there for five years, and I was back there calling plays at USF. In the NFL, you could have one coverage on this side and another coverage on that side, then change it all up when a quarterback gets under center. Plus, the rules are different. You can be more aggressive and grab the receiver a little when the quarterback gets out of the pocket. Just a lot of little things are different.
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Sounds like he feels like he struggled with some things.

But you go girl.

 

[theogt]

And in no place does he say he struggled.

dcfanatic loses again.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Saying that Jenkins struggled his rookie season says you're friggin' borderline ******** re: football.

So, in your assessment, Troy Aikman is "friggin' borderline ******** re: football"?

 

[theogt]

So, in your assessment, Troy Aikman is "friggin' borderline ******** re: football"?

If he thinks that Jenkins struggled, and that's based on an honest assessment from adequate observation, then yes, he's friggin' ******** if he says he struggled.

But I don't think he has a clue really how Jenkins performed in his rookie year. And I don't think he really has a clue how Jenkins is performing this year. I think he, like most people that do not follow any particular team closely, sees a few highlight reels and makes a judgment based on that. In 2008 the highlight reel he remembers is the Giants mishap. In 2009, it's a couple INTs. Nothing more, nothing less. It's your typical reaction.

 

[dcfanatic]

And in no place does he say he struggled.

dcfanatic loses again.

It really is a waste of time discussing anything with you.

But it is fun sometimes watching you come off as an arrogant thickheaded know it all on this forum.

While the rest of us are laughing at you.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

If he thinks that Jenkins struggled, and that's based on an honest assessment from adequate observation, then yes, he's friggin' ******** if he says he struggled.

But I don't think he has a clue really how Jenkins performed in his rookie year. And I don't think he really has a clue how Jenkins is performing this year. I think he, like most people that do not follow any particular team closely, sees a few highlight reels and makes a judgment based on that. In 2008 the highlight reel he remembers is the Giants mishap. In 2009, it's a couple INTs. Nothing more, nothing less. It's your typical reaction.

Let's provide a little context here.

Your assessment that Troy Aikman is "friggin' ********" is based on a single statistic you've unearthed regarding Mike Jenkins.

Have you considered that Troy Aikman -- as a former Super Bowl winner, the current number one color commentator for FOX, and a pundit whose opinions are widely respected and sought after -- might have an insight you don't, an insight that goes beyond the statistic in question? Is it possible Troy Aikman might have spoken with Mike Jenkins's coaches or might have access to film and camera angles we don't?

Humor me as I offer some wild conjecture here: When Troy Aikman says Jenkins "struggled in his rookie season", perhaps Aikman meant that Jenkins had difficulty grasping certain aspects of the defense and, as a consequence, was unable to be on the field as often as possible -- or perhaps the Cowboys defense couldn't be as dynamic as it wanted. Such struggles wouldn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet, and might explain why Jenkins was behind Orlando Scandrick much of the season.

This is all mere conjecture on my part, but I'm inclined to err on that side before I'll surmise that Aikman is a "friggin' ******."

 

[Fletch]

Mike Francesa said exactly what I said a couple of nights ago. This week's game against GB will tell us where the Cowboys are as a team. Last week was a huge divisional game and a litmus test to gage the toughness and to see how good we actually were.

This is game is almost the same. It's another big game that is being played at Lambeau Field. Never an easy win. We'll find out if the Cowboys have "staying power" if they can win in GB after playing their butts off in Philly. We'll know whether or not the Cowboys will be able to handle a tough December schedule and whether or not they are ready to silence season's past demons that say we win a big game, only to lose the next... never truly getting on a confident winning streak that seperates championship caliber teams from the average team.

 

[CATCH17]

I didn't think Jenkins struggled anymore than any other Rookie corner.

Scandrick was just so good that a lot of you were ready to call Jenkins a bust because he hadn't caught up to Scandrick on the field.


I knew Jenkins was going to be a heck of a player after the 2nd Giants game. It left no doubt for me.

But he played so well that it almost got overlooked by Cowboy fans because he seemed invisible on the field that day.



Count me as 1 person who never even entertained the thought of him being a bust.

 

[Temo]

Jenkins struggled in 2008? Kind of an odd statement from someone who you'd expect to know better.

He mentions the Giants incident -- I think he's actually basing his rookie season off that one play, which is odd. That's someone you expect the casual fan to do, but not someone like Troy.

Either way, it kinda blows his assessment of his play this year (in terms of a comparison to Newman) out of the water.

Well, considering we had the best pass rush in the league last year but still had a mediocre pass defense, SOMEONE struggled back there. And yea, I know Ant Henry played a bit last year, but it wasn't all him.

 

[CATCH17]

Well, considering we had the best pass rush in the league last year but still had a mediocre pass defense, SOMEONE struggled back there. And yea, I know Ant Henry played a bit last year, but it wasn't all him.

We didn't get the best safety play last year.

We had a revolving door @ 1 safety position mixed with Hamlin playing below average because of it.

With that said I didn't think our secondary was that bad.

Our defense was actually pretty good once we got Tony back up until we let the Ravens have those 2 long runs.

 

[BlindFaith]

It really is a waste of time discussing anything with you.

But it is fun sometimes watching you come off as an arrogant thickheaded know it all on this forum.

While the rest of us are laughing at you.

No, not all of "us" are laughing at him. And please don't lump me in with you - ever. For a rookie, he played extremely well, as did Scandrick. Did he need to improve on some things? Sure, and he has.

But for a rookie to come in and contribute the way he was able to defines the season as a success to me. All rookies struggle. To make a point of calling him out for that simply shows, yet again, how you continuously play the negative slant card whenever possible. You certainly are a fanatic, of what, I'm not sure.

 

[BlindFaith]

We didn't get the best safety play last year.

We had a revolving door @ 1 safety position mixed with Hamlin playing below average because of it.

With that said I didn't think our secondary was that bad.

Our defense was actually pretty good once we got Tony back up until we let the Ravens have those 2 long runs.

Well said. Keith Davis was playing alot last year and he's not even in the league this year. What does that say?

Anthony Henry? Gone. What does that say?

Pacman. Not in the league.

I'd hardly point the finger solely at Mike Jenkins for any sub par secondary play last year. But hey, if Troy Aikman says so, then who am I to disagree.

 

[theogt]

Let's provide a little context here.

Your assessment that Troy Aikman is "friggin' ********" is based on a single statistic you've unearthed regarding Mike Jenkins.

Have you considered that Troy Aikman -- as a former Super Bowl winner, the current number one color commentator for FOX, and a pundit whose opinions are widely respected and sought after -- might have an insight you don't, an insight that goes beyond the statistic in question? Is it possible Troy Aikman might have spoken with Mike Jenkins's coaches or might have access to film and camera angles we don't?

Humor me as I offer some wild conjecture here: When Troy Aikman says Jenkins "struggled in his rookie season", perhaps Aikman meant that Jenkins had difficulty grasping certain aspects of the defense and, as a consequence, was unable to be on the field as often as possible -- or perhaps the Cowboys defense couldn't be as dynamic as it wanted. Such struggles wouldn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet, and might explain why Jenkins was behind Orlando Scandrick much of the season.

This is all mere conjecture on my part, but I'm inclined to err on that side before I'll surmise that Aikman is a "friggin' ******."

Single statistic? I provided almost all of his coverage statistics.

So, yeah, if he thinks a rookie that performed that well "struggled" then he's incorrect in every sense of the word. He performed abnormally well for a rookie.

 

[jackal1969]

But I don't think he has a clue really how Jenkins performed in his rookie year. And I don't think he really has a clue how Jenkins is performing this year. I think he, like most people that do not follow any particular team closely, sees a few highlight reels and makes a judgment based on that. In 2008 the highlight reel he remembers is the Giants mishap. In 2009, it's a couple INTs. Nothing more, nothing less. It's your typical reaction.

I do watch the games. I believe what my eyes tell me. JENKINS is playing better this year. He is playing with a certain aggressiveness that he didn't display in 08. Aikman has access that we just don't have. For one to say he is ******** for an opinion is.....stupid.

 

[theogt]

I do watch the games. I believe what my eyes tell me. JENKINS is playing better this year. He is playing with a certain aggressiveness that he didn't display in 08. Aikman has access that we just don't have. For one to say he is ******** for an opinion is.....stupid.

He is most certainly playing better this year. He's playing lights out this year. But that doesn't mean he struggled in 2008. He played lights out as a rookie.

Aikman has no more "access" to watch the games than we do.

 

[jobberone]

Jenkins struggled in 2008? Kind of an odd statement from someone who you'd expect to know better.

He mentions the Giants incident -- I think he's actually basing his rookie season off that one play, which is odd. That's someone you expect the casual fan to do, but not someone like Troy.

Either way, it kinda blows his assessment of his play this year (in terms of a comparison to Newman) out of the water.

That's not what he said. He said he struggled some last year and that he was kinda known for passing up a tackle on Ward in the Giants game. Last year. All of which is true.

He also said he was playing better than Newman right now but Newman was still a good CB. And you can make a reasonable argument that is correct even if you don't agree with it.

 

[jackal1969]

He is most certainly playing better this year. He's playing lights out this year. But that doesn't mean he struggled in 2008. He played lights out as a rookie.

Aikman has no more "access" to watch the games than we do.

That is not the access I am referring to. Troy gets the opportunity to have dialogue with the coaching staff. I sincerely doubt Aikman was just taking a stab in the dark in his analysis of Jenkins play.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm in Theo's camp. I guarantee you Aikman is saying this based off Jenkins' simply not starting/the Bradshaw ole' last year vs. starting/getting INTs this year.

Yes, Troy is a smart guy, but if you really listen to him, he's as susceptible to superficial anaysis as anyone else.

 

[21Savage]

I agree with Theogt in the sense that even though Aikman knows more football that all of us combined and has access to tape that we don't, he often goes with the superficial analysis. This is never more obvious than in his broadcasts when he just glosses over the play, never giving the kind of indepth anlysis that guys like Jaws, Goose and playbook guys give.

I recall the Denver game when Buck mentioned that the first defender Orton talked about was Spencer and Aikman said it surprised him and that Spencer had had an up and down season at best. When all inside knowledge and the coaching staff's input was pointing to the fact that Spencer's been having a very good season. That just sounds like something an ignorant fan would say.

And Jenkins had an up and down Rookie season, which is typical. I think the expectations and perception, between he and Scandrick, is really what is jaded. Plus after he got injured, he came back very strong in his rookie season. Wade mentions this every chance he gets but nobody wants to listen.