Video: Jerry Jones sits down with Steve Dennis

[dadymat]

It's not just an opinion. Just look at the last 20 years with an open mind. It's not difficult to see.

I wish you would

 

[rcaldw]

A few not so quick points.

1) I self banned myself from going to the political zone because all I'll do is call you idiot over and over. So to spare us both the banning do not post political content in here, ever, for any reason.

2) Jimmy Johnson has no idea what Jerry can or can not do as a GM. He hasn't worked with him in over 15 years. But even if he did I dare say he'd be a tad bit biased in that regard. FWIW Jimmy never proved he could be GM himself minus Jerry. He made huge personnel booboos in Miami and that team was awful when he had best bud Wanny running things. Jimmy knows DBs as well as anyone ever has. He is a very good defensive guy period, but he couldn't evaluate offensive talent to save his life. What's more though, like Jerry, he needs to work with someone forever to truly trust them so he won't get the help he needs on personnel. Instead he uses his asst coaches to grade players.

3) We do have a large sample of Jerry as GM. We also know he ran putrid drafts with Lacewell and a bunch of Jimmy cronies as his talent evaluators. But that group is gone with exception of Campo who is now just a DB coach and not being given scouting duties. The current scouting staff looks quite capable and Stephen manages the cap quite ably. We have had quality coaching overall at the coordinator positions with the exception of Stewart not getting it done. Sparano, Payton, Haley et al we had have a litany of now head coaches pass through here.

4) When was the last playoff game Bill Parcells won? He's a legit football man right? What about Mike Shanahan? This team hasn't gotten over the hump but it has the talent to. Jerry put enough talent together as GM and paid the guys who needed to be paid that this team can very well win a playoff game. They had BP in here as coach so its not like the coaching hasn't been in place.

5) The biggest issue I have with Jerry haters breaks two ways. a) He is the team essentially so hating him means it is time to move on. He isn't some temporary guy, he is it. b) You can't give him all the blame then hand everyone else the credit. He hired Jimmy and he fired Jimmy. He hired BP and saw BP walk. He hired Lacewell but also brought Stephen in. He has made good trades and bad ones, made good coaching hires and bad ones. Anyone claiming he is at one extreme or the other is full of it.

A few quick and sufficient points.

1. If you could ever get rid of that ridiculous bird picture maybe I could take you a LITTLE bit serious.

2. Do you really think I care

a. Whether you think I'm an idiot or not ?
b. What you tell me I can ever post on here, for any reason?

If your answer to a or b is yes, then you are wrong.

3. Your view of things is so ridiculous that it deserves no response, it just deserves 13 more years of Jerry, and then maybe after 26 years of it you'll get it.

 

[George]

Jimmy Johnson, Herschel Walker and the Minnesota trade were the controlling force to win 3 SBs. It was Jimmy that ran the show.

Jimmy's departure started the decline of the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs even though Barry Switzer won our last SB.

Every subsequent coach has served a lesser function since Jimmy Johnson that has resulted in a yearly circus except Bill Parcells.

Bill Parcells began to turn the team around. Parcells was put in the position of the lesser coaches with the TO acquisition. The Cowboys lost Parcells and are now back in decline with a lesser coach with Phillips.

Anyone can attack the above, but it would at least appear to me that the coach of the team needs to be in charge, not the GM. Sadly and frustratingly, until the coach takes over, the Cowboys will continue to falter.

Poet and philosopher George Santayana: "Those
who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

 

[Bach]

Jimmy Johnson, Herschel Walker and the Minnesota trade were the controlling force to win 3 SBs. It was Jimmy that ran the show.

Jimmy's departure started the decline of the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs even though Barry Switzer won our last SB.

Every subsequent coach has served a lesser function since Jimmy Johnson that has resulted in a yearly circus except Bill Parcells.

Bill Parcells began to turn the team around. Parcells was put in the position of the lesser coaches with the TO acquisition. The Cowboys lost Parcells and are now back in decline with a lesser coach with Phillips.

Anyone can attack the above, but it would at least appear to me that the coach of the team needs to be in charge, not the GM. Sadly and frustratingly, until the coach takes over, the Cowboys will continue to falter.

Poet and philosopher George Santayana: "Those
who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Good post :clap2:

 

[Bach]

I wish you would

:blind:

 

[jterrell]

Jimmy Johnson, Herschel Walker and the Minnesota trade were the controlling force to win 3 SBs. It was Jimmy that ran the show.

Jimmy's departure started the decline of the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs even though Barry Switzer won our last SB.

Every subsequent coach has served a lesser function since Jimmy Johnson that has resulted in a yearly circus except Bill Parcells.

Bill Parcells began to turn the team around. Parcells was put in the position of the lesser coaches with the TO acquisition. The Cowboys lost Parcells and are now back in decline with a lesser coach with Phillips.

Anyone can attack the above, but it would at least appear to me that the coach of the team needs to be in charge, not the GM. Sadly and frustratingly, until the coach takes over, the Cowboys will continue to falter.

Poet and philosopher George Santayana: "Those
who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

The problem there is this.

The Walker trade occurred because of Jerry not Jimmy.

Jerry got a fax from Walker's agent stating what he wanted in contract demands.

Jerry took that fax headed down the field and as he walked around the field with Jimmy(which was a morning ritual) told Jimmy to explore trades for him because there was "no way he was paying him quarterback money").

Jimmy did a great job of selling the guy off to the highest bidder and he did an even better job of using the draft picks acquired.

But every move you can point to that won anything for Dallas had to do with both guys. Jimmy did not seek to draft a single member of the triplets. Jerry had no idea who Emmitt was in all likelihood. He did know Troy and stated he would have allow Troy to have number 12 if he wanted... back before he drafted him.

I love the Santayana quote as a philosophy student enjoyed him in general but as that quote is so often misquoted you point out its limitations. i.e. remembering the past only works when you remember it correctly, else you act on false ideals.

It was never Jimmy or Jerry, it was always Jimmy AND Jerry.

Neither has built a Super Bowl winner without the other.

And FWIW we might also remember the records we had with BP here before we start misquoting how he did here. 10,6,9,9. Those were his number of wins. He never did more than 1 game better than Wade in his 4 years here.

 

[jterrell]

BTW, was the infamous interview where Jerry was supposed he say he had not decided about T.O. being on the roster or not?

I can't play video here at work so am somewhat limited but do recall that edict was supposed to be forthcoming and haven't seen it yet.

 

[5Countem5]

Mucho props on the Darth Vader tie-in though.

Thanks...

I couldn't think of anything to say.

 

[Bach]

It was never Jimmy or Jerry, it was always Jimmy AND Jerry.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about the first five years with Jerry and Jimmy, it's been proven that Jerry's way - being the main face of the franchise and micromanaging every aspect and neutering his puppet HC - doesn't work.

 

[jterrell]

Regardless of what anyone thinks about the first five years with Jerry and Jimmy, it's been proven that Jerry's way - being the main face of the franchise and micromanaging every aspect and neutering his puppet HC - doesn't work.

Did Jimmy's running everything in Miami work?

 

[George]

The problem there is this.

The Walker trade occurred because of Jerry not Jimmy.

Jerry got a fax from Walker's agent stating what he wanted in contract demands.

Jerry took that fax headed down the field and as he walked around the field with Jimmy(which was a morning ritual) told Jimmy to explore trades for him because there was "no way he was paying him quarterback money").

Jimmy did a great job of selling the guy off to the highest bidder and he did an even better job of using the draft picks acquired.

But every move you can point to that won anything for Dallas had to do with both guys. Jimmy did not seek to draft a single member of the triplets. Jerry had no idea who Emmitt was in all likelihood. He did know Troy and stated he would have allow Troy to have number 12 if he wanted... back before he drafted him.

I love the Santayana quote as a philosophy student enjoyed him in general but as that quote is so often misquoted you point out its limitations. i.e. remembering the past only works when you remember it correctly, else you act on false ideals.

It was never Jimmy or Jerry, it was always Jimmy AND Jerry.

Neither has built a Super Bowl winner without the other.

And FWIW we might also remember the records we had with BP here before we start misquoting how he did here. 10,6,9,9. Those were his number of wins. He never did more than 1 game better than Wade in his 4 years here.

I'm not understanding your statement "it was always Jimmy AND Jerry".
How could any coach exist without the owner/GM's approval? OF COURSE it is JERRY and whoever. But Jerry undermines his coaches.

The Cowboys don't get ahead because Jerry wants to be the coach and the GM and the owner at the same time. Has any NFL team been successful with this type of arrangement? Jerry condemns the Cowboys to repeat the same mistakes with the same results.

 

[Bach]

Did Jimmy's running everything in Miami work?

Worked better than Jerry running everything in Dallas after he left.

And regardless of what happened in Miami (even though he never did have a losing season, let alone multiple 5-11 seasons) it doesn't negate the fact Jimmy was the primary factor in building the Cowboys into SB champions.