Videos: Steve Dennis piece from the locker room tonight.

[theebs]

I think its time to talk about the chargers, but since our local media only worries about firing coaches and other stuff not related to the upcoming games each week. This is what we are stuck with.

K sorry for ranting, here is what you clicked this for.

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and I thought I would add this to this thread too.

Here is parcells Telling the media on november 23, 2003 after beating carolina 24-20 and improving to 8-3 that the cowboys were in fact not losers....INteresting concept huh.

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[Hostile]

Okay, so define this for me.

They are not losers. They are not winners.

Then what are they? Tiers? Or is it tires?

Why can't he provide a definition rather than a riddle?

 

[fannypack]

Okay, so define this for me.

They are not losers. They are not winners.

Then what are they? Tiers? Or is it tires?

Why can't he provide a definition rather than a riddle?

What fun is it if it isn't a riddle?

 

[theogt]

Okay, so define this for me.

They are not losers. They are not winners.

Then what are they? Tiers? Or is it tires?

Why can't he provide a definition rather than a riddle?

Yeah. It's an either/or situation. You win more games than you lose and you're a winner. You lose more games than you win and you're a loser.

I'm pretty sure a five year old can figure this out. Steve Dennis, not so much.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Okay, so define this for me.

They are not losers. They are not winners.

Then what are they? Tiers? Or is it tires?

Why can't he provide a definition rather than a riddle?

Statistically, they are winners September through November (8-3)

Statistically, they are losers in December until proven otherwise (0-1)

These hold true for both this year and the 4 previous years

Seems pretty simple to me

 

[theogt]

Statistically, they are winners September through November (8-3)

Statistically, they are losers in December until proven otherwise (0-1)

These hold true for both this year and the 4 previous years

Seems pretty simple to me

And in games on the second Sunday after the first Monday of every month, they're winners.*

*I have no idea if it's true, but it doesn't matter. All that really matters, when it comes to who makes the playoffs, is their SEASON record.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Yeah. It's an either/or situation. You win more games than you lose and you're a winner. You lose more games than you win and you're a loser.

I'm pretty sure a five year old can figure this out. Steve Dennis, not so much.

Dennis certainly isnt expressing his point very well, especially for a professional journalist.

 

[theogt]

Dennis certainly isnt expressing his point very well, especially for a professional journalist.

If he has a point that's entirely different from what he is conveying, then, yeah, his point might be right. And if you just want to hope this undisclosed alternative point is correct so you can agree with him, then so be it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

And in games on the second Sunday after the first Monday of every month, they're winners.*

*I have no idea if it's true, but it doesn't matter. All that really matters, when it comes to who makes the playoffs, is their SEASON record.

December collapses kept us out of the postseason in '05 and '08, and kept us from winning the division in '06, and took away all our momentum in '07.

 

[Cas2800]

If he has a point that's entirely different from what he is conveying, then, yeah, his point might be right. And if you just want to hope this undisclosed alternative point is correct so you can agree with him, then so be it.

Well they lost this past weekend so thay makes them the losers and the giants winners.

If they win this weekend they wil be winners.

If they lose the they wil be losers.

And the chargers will be the winners. I think thats how it works?

 

[Hostile]

Yeah. It's an either/or situation. You win more games than you lose and you're a winner. You lose more games than you win and you're a loser.

I'm pretty sure a five year old can figure this out. Steve Dennis, not so much.

Steve Dennis is in 100% damage control mode. He's spinning so fast he might throw up.

 

[theebs]

December collapses kept us out of the postseason in '05 and '08, and kept us from winning the division in '06, and took away all our momentum in '07.

A. that is not true at all about 07. We just lost to a good team.

B. 05 and 06 we had some pretty big time losses early in the year to division teams, like washington in 05 that came back to bite us, oakland....etc.....

06 we lost to both ny and washington before december and that cost us the division, especially that skins game with the blocked field goal.

now did we play well in 06 in december, no not consistent. We were very good and sharp against ny and atlanta...both on the road where we won, but we lost at home to philly and detroit. But the divisional losses before december cost us the division as much as the eagles loss on xmas day.

 

[Hostile]

What fun is it if it isn't a riddle?

 

[The30YardSlant]

If he has a point that's entirely different from what he is conveying, then, yeah, his point might be right. And if you just want to hope this undisclosed alternative point is correct so you can agree with him, then so be it.

I'm giving my opinion. I'm infering his opinion from what he said. If I'm wrong, I don't really care, because my opinion still stands. It's the same opinion I've had for a while, and the same opinion that thus far is proving to be prophetic.

I can't really take credit, though. Predicting a December collapse from this bunch is akin to predicting that John Madden will bring up Brett Favre during a broadcast. It's pretty much a forgone conclusion.

 

[theogt]

December collapses kept us out of the postseason in '05 and '08, and kept us from winning the division in '06, and took away all our momentum in '07.

Which do you think is more predictive of our next 4 games:

(1) Our December record from four years ago when Romo wasn't even our QB.

or

(2) Our record for the past 12 games.

This year, the Cowboys are winners. Pointing out that they've lost the only game in December this year doesn't make them losers, no matter how much you want it to be true.

 

[The30YardSlant]

A. that is not true at all about 07. We just lost to a good team.

The same team that we beat in September and November? Dallas was easily the second best team in football for the first 12 weeks. Had we kept playing like that all year, we would have WALKED into the Superbowl against New England.

B. 05 and 06 we had some pretty big time losses early in the year to division teams, like washington in 05 that came back to bite us, oakland....etc.....

And yet we played well enough to be in prime position to win the division both years. We lost to Washington and New York in '05, and to Philly in '06.

now did we play well in 06 in december, no not consistent. We were very good and sharp against ny and atlanta...both on the road where we won, but we lost at home to philly and detroit. But the divisional losses before december cost us the division as much as the eagles loss on xmas day.

We also got blown out at home by NO and Philly, and then finished up with a loss at home to lowly Detroit.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Which do you think is more predictive of our next 4 games:

(1) Our December record from four years ago when Romo wasn't even our QB.

or

(2) Our record for the past 12 games.

This year, the Cowboys are winners.

With most teams, I'd choose 2, but since 2 would have given a favorable outcome every season over the last 4 years (an outcome that didnt happen once), I'm going to go with the 4 year trend.

They were winners in '05, '06, '07 and '08 before December. We have developed a culture of late season failures here in Dallas.

Pointing out that they've lost the only game in December this year doesn't make them losers, no matter how much you want it to be true

I don't want them to be losers. That doesnt mean they arent. I'd love nothing more than to go 4-0 and win the division.

You and I both know it isnt going to happen. The only difference between you and I is that I'm willing to admit it. I'm curious to see how deep your denial goes, though. We'll likely find out soon.

I know you're too proud to ever admit I was right, even if we were to go 0-4, but it would be interesting to see your response to such an outcome

 

[theogt]

I'm giving my opinion. I'm infering his opinion from what he said. If I'm wrong, I don't really care, because my opinion still stands. It's the same opinion I've had for a while, and the same opinion that thus far is proving to be prophetic.

I can't really take credit, though. Predicting a December collapse from this bunch is akin to predicting that John Madden will bring up Brett Favre during a broadcast. It's pretty much a forgone conclusion.

Your opinion has been pretty far from prophetic. If I had told you we'd be 8-4 and leading the division two months ago you'd laugh in my face. If anything you've been proven wrong on an almost weekly basis. But like a broken clock you get to crow every now and then. And after two losses in the past 8 games, you've let your "prophetic" wisdom shine through.

 

[theogt]

With most teams, I'd choose 2, but since 2 would have given a favorable outcome every season over the last 4 years (an outcome that didnt happen once), I'm going to go with the 4 year trend.

They were winners in '05, '06, '07 and '08 before December. We have developed a culture of late season failures here in Dallas.

Great. So what happened four years ago is more predictive than what happened in the past two months. Glad that we have your position out on the table so we can fully examine it in the light of day.

I don't want them to be losers. That doesnt mean they arent.

No, winning 8 of the past 12 games makes them not losers.

I'd love nothing more than to go 4-0 and win the division.

You and I both know it isnt going to happen. The only difference between you and I is that I'm willing to admit it. I'm curious to see how deep your denial goes, though. We'll likely find out soon.

I predicted 3-2 over these last five games, actually. But you have no idea who I am or what I think, so I'm not sure why you'd even hazard a guess as to what the difference is between you and I. Rest assured the differences are numerous, however.

I know you're too proud to ever admit I was right, even if we were to go 0-4, but it would be interesting to see your response to such an outcome

If we go 0-4, it'll be due to some abnormal cause and will have absolutely nothing to do with you being right or wrong.

 

[The30YardSlant]

If anything you've been proven wrong on an almost weekly basis.

When everyone was confident of a turnaround from past years, that a statement win was on the way, I was quick to bring up our past failures in this glorious month. I was scoffed at for doing so. 6-5 New York then proceeded to have their way with us.

Now, while everyone scrambles to figure out what went so very wrong, I'm still being scoffed at for saying this trend will continue, that SOMEHOW we won't beat a team that has won 7 straight and hasnt lost in December in 4 years.

We'll see what happens