Voch breaks down Dak's performance vs Detroit Lions

[Irvin88_4life]

Yes, QB's have bad games but funny how certain members only post what they think is a good game by Dak instead of being unbiased.

I couldn't answer for those guys cause I call it like I see it but just as you point to guys that say Dak never has a bad game.... You also have guys that says he never has a good game.

It goes both ways on the extreme but the biggest Dak supporters have called him out on bad games... Like week 1 against Tampa, you never really see the Dak haters posting about his good games

 

[Irvin88_4life]

There is nothing there. The guy is a fan, with no experience playing, coaching or working for an NFL organization in any capacity.

His opinions are no more or less worthy than those of many of the avid fans here.

Does he have any actual experience that you can point to?

He has connections and works for the volume and in some capacity for Colin Cowherd. He has also coached football, not sure what level but I'm 100 percent sure it wasn't the NFL.

However, he is far from just a random guy with a camera.... Which was my entire argument

 

[thunderpimp91]

I couldn't answer for those guys cause I call it like I see it but just as you point to guys that say Dak never has a bad game.... You also have guys that says he never has a good game.

It goes both ways on the extreme but the biggest Dak supporters have called him out on bad games... Like week 1 against Tampa, you never really see the Dak haters posting about his good games

You’re right but reality is we lump the entire forum into pro or anti dak when in reality 95% of posters are level headed people who just want to see a winning team. It’s the same 4 or 5 people on each side who actually have an agenda around dak and can’t ever give him praise or be critical.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You’re right but reality is we lump the entire forum into pro or anti dak when in reality 95% of posters are level headed people who just want to see a winning team. It’s the same 4 or 5 people on each side who actually have an agenda around dak and can’t ever give him praise or be critical.

I haven't seen a single supporter say Dak had a good game week 1....

I feel the supporters are more level headed than the haters

 

[thunderpimp91]

I haven't seen a single supporter say Dak had a good game week 1....

I feel the supporters are more level headed than the haters

Eh it's like deciding if you'd rather have a conversation with a baby or a monkey.

I can't recall anyone saying that Dak played well week 1 either, but we did get the endless excuses of how bad the oline was, he went up against a great defense, WRs are trash, KM cant call plays, Zeke is useless, etc.

And to be fair none of that is exactly false (other than the Zeke part), but it's the constant need to justify results instead of placing some of the blame on the guy who the offense runs though. Just like when Dak does have a game where he carries the team on his back (see New England game last year) the haters get silence for maybe a day, then come back out it's the same thing just in reverse.

I used to favor the Dak supporters over the haters, because at least they arent bashing their own players, but then Cooper Rush happened and honestly I saw that the two groups arent much different at all.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I haven't seen a single supporter say Dak had a good game week 1....

I feel the supporters are more level headed than the haters

????

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Eh it's like deciding if you'd rather have a conversation with a baby or a monkey.

I can't recall anyone saying that Dak played well week 1 either, but we did get the endless excuses of how bad the oline was, he went up against a great defense, WRs are trash, KM cant call plays, Zeke is useless, etc.

And to be fair none of that is exactly false (other than the Zeke part), but it's the constant need to justify results instead of placing some of the blame on the guy who the offense runs though. Just like when Dak does have a game where he carries the team on his back (see New England game last year) the haters get silence for maybe a day, then come back out it's the same thing just in reverse.

I used to favor the Dak supporters over the haters, because at least they arent bashing their own players, but then Cooper Rush happened and honestly I saw that the two groups arent much different at all.

You make some good points and mostly I can't disagree.

Not sure I seen a ton of Rush bashing until the Philly game though. Mostly it was, Rush did his job and was happy to be winning. Can't say it was everybody but just didn't see the bashing.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

????

I haven't.

Almost everybody that are called Dak supporters said it was probably his worst game ever

 

[WillieBeamen]

I haven't.

Almost everybody that are called Dak supporters said it was probably his worst game ever

Oh my bad, thought you meant this past game

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Oh my bad, thought you meant this past game

No sir, I was talking about Tampa Bay week 1

 

[cowboyed]

Detroit Lions defense gave up the following points this season heading into the Dallas game:

35 vs. Philly (Lost 38-35)
27 vs. Washington (Won 36-27)
28 vs. Minnesota (Lost 28-24)
48 vs. Seattle (Lost 48-45)
29 vs. NE (Lost 29-0)

The Lions defense is the reason the Lions are 1-5 as their offense had most of those games closer than they were so when you reference the Lions defense and games being close I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
The fact is Detroit losing 24-6 to Dallas (although trailing 10-6 late in 4th) is more an indictment on the Dallas offense not performing (lowest points against Lions defense this season) and the Lions offense turning the ball over 5 times.

I agree the Lions defense allows too many points and our Cowboys offense needs to generate more points. Despite that the Lions with the exception of getting blanked by New England have been fairly combative. How else do you explain the close scores. Also if you watch even the most competitive teams play often each team is high scoring but that doesn't mean their defenses are necessarily horrible.
Our offense line with rookies and backups is starting to gel and our tight ends are making up for an inconsistent and anemic wide receiver group. I think with Dak getting back on the field it increases our chances to score more points and along with our robust defense we will continue to win more games.

 

[McKDaddy]

For literally every other qb in the league...it is a hell of a play by the safety who likely baited the throw by opening his hips the opposite direction for the PBU.

You agree he likely baited him so the more pertinent question is how did Detroit know exactly what to do to get Dak to throw the ball where they wanted him to? The answer would seem to be that they notice a tendency in his pre snap reads causing him to pre select a receiver. They simply gave him the look and then sent three guys to that receiver. They were very much playing for the turnover.

Ok, they get you with a look pre snap. But post snap it was very obvious that route was double covered. Why not come off of it even before the third defender comes back into the play? Unfortunately, it seems he does get locked in on a guy sometimes regardless of what is happening post snap.

 

[McKDaddy]

I haven't seen a single supporter say Dak had a good game week 1....

Like @thunderpimp91 said, I don't know that anyone said he had a good game but there was a crap storm of deflection as to why his performance wasn't his fault.

That is my biggest gripe with the defenders. There is always an excuse, deflection, changing the measuring stick & half-truths. If it's a bad play or a bad overall game, just admit it.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Like @thunderpimp91 said, I don't know that anyone said he had a good game but there was a crap storm of deflection as to why his performance wasn't his fault.

That is my biggest gripe with the defenders. There is always an excuse, deflection, changing the measuring stick & half-truths. If it's a bad play or a bad overall game, just admit it.

True but the same can be said for the other side

 

[McKDaddy]

True but the same can be said for the other side

Perhaps but I truly believe that if you look at root causes it's because the folks who brought up concerns early on were attacked. Not responded to, attacked. After a while the only choice was to give it back.

You get to the point we just reached where "200 yards & a TD is a joke that's why QB1 is vastly superior". Oh, QB1 had 200 yards & a TD. "It was a hell of a performance".

Naturally folks are going to point out the "irony". I'll call it irony rather than any of the other words ....

 

[Ken]

You agree he likely baited him so the more pertinent question is how did Detroit know exactly what to do to get Dak to throw the ball where they wanted him to? The answer would seem to be that they notice a tendency in his pre snap reads causing him to pre select a receiver. They simply gave him the look and then sent three guys to that receiver. They were very much playing for the turnover.

Ok, they get you with a look pre snap. But post snap it was very obvious that route was double covered. Why not come off of it even before the third defender comes back into the play? Unfortunately, it seems he does get locked in on a guy sometimes regardless of what is happening post snap.

It still took a great play and a PI by the LB who pushed Ceedee(no one talks about this) for the pass to be broken up.

No intercepted mind you...just broken up. One a a few on the day.

Yet you sit here and try and paint a picture that they know Dak inside and out and baited him lol

 

[Smith22]

Just watched the first two plays and as usual, Mr. “Scan the Field” Dak is staring at his WRs the whole time.

At 3:40, Voch just saying it’s the “safety gaining ground quick” when all it is is Dak staring down his WR the whole time, making it very easy for the safety to know exactly where the “stare down” QB is going..

I don't know how someone can make posts like this and expect any credibility around here.

Please explain to the forum how in his last 2 healthy seasons (2019, 2021), Dak threw for about 9,450 yards, 67 TDs, 21 INTs, at a 66% completion rate with the entire NFL apparently knowing he can't read a defense and just stares down his WRs.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Perhaps but I truly believe that if you look at root causes it's because the folks who brought up concerns early on were attacked. Not responded to, attacked. After a while the only choice was to give it back.

You get to the point we just reached where "200 yards & a TD is a joke that's why QB1 is vastly superior". Oh, QB1 had 200 yards & a TD. "It was a hell of a performance".

Naturally folks are going to point out the "irony". I'll call it irony rather than any of the other words ....

Saying things like Dak is garbage, can't throw, backups are better, can't read defenses, can't go through progressions etc are all false.... So yes people will call them out.

As far as attacking, it's toxic both ways, let's just be honest about it.

 

[duro420]

You started this thread knowing darn well you intended to stir up discontent, and then you lash out at the first person who points out the flaws. So typical.....

Your hero will never win the big one, so keep pounding you chest over the meaningless stats. That's all you will ever have.

He likely won't win it all but to cement it in stone as if the SB has never been won by a dark horse team is asinine. Imo much worse than the dak homers spewing their excuses for him into positive spin.

Everyone stop talking like a team or a player surely will win or will never win etc when you don't know. Reminds me of priests telling me what God likes or doesn't like. How do you know when you don't know? Don't act like your word or view is an absolute, only absolute about it is the garbage that it is. Anyways have a good day, but for credibility sake never assume- we don't know if he exists much less what God likes or doesn't. All just projecting, hope I'm not in violation w/ all this Allah talk. Apologies in advance if I offended anyone. God bless(in theory)

 

[McKDaddy]

Yet you sit here and try and paint a picture that they know Dak inside and out and baited him lol

What? You said yourself it looked like they baited him. I feel pretty certain that safety doesn't spin around like that if it wasn't a practiced play to get that throw into that coverage.

We are just discussing a play which is on video for all to see. I'm only trying to reach a good conclusion of how it all played out.