Voch Discussing Jaylon Smith

[InTheZone]

Yeah... I don't see him attacking downhill often. He sort of side steps and wraps up the tackle from a side angle.

yup, plays light on his feet, doesn't drive through to kill the ball carrier

 

[Silly]

yup, plays light on his feet, doesn't drive through to kill the ball carrier

And it is that heavy hit that causes turnovers.

 

[morat1959]

He’s a primma donna! Send him packing with Dak. Cut the fat! I want a SB!

 

[beware_d-ware]

You can't just blame the 1T for Jaylon's dropoff this last year. How many tackles did he miss covering in deep zone where there wasn't a blocker within 10 yards of him.

I've heard the same things over and over about how Jaylon was healthy but our 1T just sucked, teams copied the Rams gameplan and used it against us every week, etc. But if that's true, how come he didn't pop in coverage?

 

[xwalker]

Now I'm interested. Is there any post, or article you could point me to to further elaborate?

I've created a few threads the past few months about Nolan's scheme.

Because it's a multiple front (hybrid 4-3, 3-4) he likes OLBs that are similar to 3-4 OLBs.

Marinelli had Wilson as the SLB in the 4-3 for a few years until he went to KC for 2019. In KC's 3-4, Wilson was an ILB, not OLB.

In Marinelli's 4-2-5 which they played on about 70% of the snaps, the 2 LBs were called MLB and WLB; however, their assignments were really based on whether the run was to their side or away from their side.
- It didn't really matter which one was MLB or WLB other than the WLB was generally on the same side as the 3tech DT.

 

[kskboys]

The ability to cover sideline to sideline is his strength. Shedding blocks is the bigger problem. He's just not the tough, hard nosed, take on and fight through blocks kind of guy a team needs in the middle. His strength would be in working with more room on the outside. Unfortunately, that may also apply to LVE, so I'm not sure they have an ideal MLB type.

I never could understand why we insisted on putting Jaylon in the middle. Still makes no sense to me. Appears to be the old staff's thinking, get the player and put them where we want, even if that's not their best position.

 

[coult44]

He thinks Jaylon's play last year was affected by Smith's doubt that his teammates could do their jobs.

His angles are the worst I’ve ever seen in the NFL. He is way overhyped and needs to show something this year.

 

[xwalker]

You can't just blame the 1T for Jaylon's dropoff this last year. How many tackles did he miss covering in deep zone where there wasn't a blocker within 10 yards of him.

I've heard the same things over and over about how Jaylon was healthy but our 1T just sucked, teams copied the Rams gameplan and used it against us every week, etc. But if that's true, how come he didn't pop in coverage?

The DL scheme was a big problem once the Rams exposed the scheme in the playoff game.

In 2019 many offenses copied the Rams zone running scheme.

The Zone running scheme forced the defenders in Marinelli's scheme to constantly be moving sideways.

It is very difficult for LBs to make tackles while moving sideways, especially when 2 of 5 OLinemen were free to block the LBs.

All of the LBs started trying to guess to avoid being on the wrong side of the 2nd level blockers.

That caused the LBs to often over-run plays.

It was impossible for the LBs to succeed in 2019 without making adjustments to the DL scheme.

They did eventually start making some DL adjustments but making major adjustments during the season just makes thing worse.

Players are conditioned to play their assignments the way they practiced all off-season. When the scheme changes during the season, the player's instinctive reactions are gone because their assignment against the same offensive plays are now different than previously.

I don't know how well Jaylon will play in 2020; however, I know that he can't be judged by 2019.

He'll likely be the same or better than in 2018 which was much better than 2019 but not as great as many people claimed back in 2018.

 

[beware_d-ware]

The DL scheme was a big problem once the Rams exposed the scheme in the playoff game.

In 2019 many offenses copied the Rams zone running scheme.

The Zone running scheme forced the defenders in Marinelli's scheme to constantly be moving sideways.

It is very difficult for LBs to make tackles while moving sideways, especially when 2 of 5 OLinemen were free to block the LBs.

All of the LBs started trying to guess to avoid being on the wrong side of the 2nd level blockers.

That caused the LBs to often over-run plays.

It was impossible for the LBs to succeed in 2019 without making adjustments to the DL scheme.

They did eventually start making some DL adjustments but making major adjustments during the season just makes thing worse.

Players are conditioned to play their assignments the way they practiced all off-season. When the scheme changes during the season, the player's instinctive reactions are gone because their assignment against the same offensive plays are now different than previously.

I don't know how well Jaylon will play in 2020; however, I know that he can't be judged by 2019.

He'll likely be the same or better than in 2018 which was much better than 2019 but not as great as many people claimed back in 2018.

Did you even read my post before you went to you copy-paste file? I'm talking coverage, not run defense.

 

[quickccc]

Thanks for posting. Most perplexing player on the team. Guy was a beast in 2018. 2019 it was ugly and got worse as the season went on. Clearly the guy is an elite athlete.
Despite the injury his speed shows. He is great at running plays down and he can deliver a hit. He is also good sliding through blockers. When he is engaged fully by an OL he almost never sheds the block.

I also think he plays like a guy that is not prepared. Many times last season you’d watch him and say what the hell is he doing. Clearly the defensive coaches last season were a disgrace so maybe new coaches will get him focused.
I agree with Voc that he needs to be in attack mode. Having him line up and back peddle into coverage makes zero sense. In 2018 the LBs played in the box more with aggression. I have no idea what the hell they were doing last season. It bothers me that he avoided contact a lot in the 2H. I also don’t like that he can’t seem to shred bigger blockers.
For me he has no excuses this season. Guy should have a great season with the stout DT play that will happen. If not I think the Cowboys have an expensive problem.

Well thought out analysis; thanx for sharing;

Assuming Jaylon will be moved to OLB; i think he will have to be schemed to maximize his strengths while also hiding his weaknesses.
i particularly don't like that kind of full time starter because there's too many limitations that you have to cover up.

My biggest issues with Jaylon continues to be his questionable instincts and change of direction;

i tend to agree with guys that have commented that his instincts are off. Even in Voch's vid, i'm seeing a guy that is constantly hesitant
or delayed and waiting to absorb runs in the lane vs reading developing plays and meeting them into the backfield.
i still think the better teams that best ultilizes mis-directions can fool him, spin him and throw him off.

yes, just about everyone is acknowledging that he is basically a forward mover, his best work is done in moving forward as a tackler, blitzer
or in pursuit down the line. But outside, the better coaches with better player personnel will counter-scheme you to force you to
man coverage, and that already makes me worried because he is one that has all kind of issues already just trying to cover screen passes.
Just imagine if he has to match up with TEs in coverage such as Zack Ertz, Dallas Gobert, Evan Ingram, George Little, Kyle Rudolph, etc.
not to mentioned backs like D. Cook, Barkley, Sanders, Chubb, Penny, etc.

- i wonder if coaches will limit Jaylon to certain assignments and tasks and try to hide him the way Garrett's coaches did with
ex-LB Bruce Carter who like Jaylon wasn't particular instinctive so they limited his key reads and assignments.
Could they have Jaylon in more zone drop modes where he can work to keep receivers in front of him, while packaging him
as an off the line blitzer vs RBs ?

- And just like Voch said, we will see if this defense allows more rep and time on the field for a SAM backer (strong side) than
the previous staff...

Because i'll say it right now,.. if we have to keep limiting and putting Jaylon out of the lineup because hes' that limited ... he is gonna eventually be traded ..

That new contract is way too much invested money to be limiting, scheming around and sidelining part time players.
And he is just gonna limited our defense and our potential too much. ..imo.

 

[MyFairLady]

We have a potential out in 2022. If you are waiting for a bounce back season I am expecting reasonable play in 2021.

 

[INCowboysFan]

You can't just blame the 1T for Jaylon's dropoff this last year. How many tackles did he miss covering in deep zone where there wasn't a blocker within 10 yards of him.

I've heard the same things over and over about how Jaylon was healthy but our 1T just sucked, teams copied the Rams gameplan and used it against us every week, etc. But if that's true, how come he didn't pop in coverage?

He missed 12 tackles all year and had a missed tackle % of 7.8%. Now, that doesn't take into consideration the times he was completely blocked out of a play or filled the wrong gap, etc. But when he gets there he makes the tackle.

 

[quickccc]

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I've created a few threads the past few months about Nolan's scheme.

Because it's a multiple front (hybrid 4-3, 3-4) he likes OLBs that are similar to 3-4 OLBs.

Marinelli had Wilson as the SLB in the 4-3 for a few years until he went to KC for 2019. In KC's 3-4, Wilson was an ILB, not OLB.

In Marinelli's 4-2-5 which they played on about 70% of the snaps, the 2 LBs were called MLB and WLB; however, their assignments were really based on whether the run was to their side or away from their side.
- It didn't really matter which one was MLB or WLB other than the WLB was generally on the same side as the 3tech DT.

In 2019, the Chiefs introduced new DC Steve Spagnuolo, who has always ran the 4-3 scheme even during his previous past stints with giants and Saints, .

Damien Wilson has been the strong side starting OLB in Spag's 4-3 base scheme,

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/kc

 

[xwalker]

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In 2019, the Chiefs introduced new DC Steve Spagnuolo, who has always ran the 4-3 scheme even during his previous past stints with giants and Saints, .

Damien Wilson has been the strong side starting OLB in Spag's 4-3 base scheme,

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/kc

I watch the game footage...

Do I need to post screenshots?

Ron Rivera went from 4-3 to 3-4.

Belichick has gone back and forth.

KC had 3-4 personnel when Spags arrived.

Parcells played 4-3 year 1 in Dallas.

 

[quickccc]

I watch the game footage...

Do I need to post screenshots?

Ron Rivera went from 4-3 to 3-4.

Belichick has gone back and forth.

KC had 3-4 personnel when Spags arrived.

Parcells played 4-3 year 1 in Dallas.

I'm not talking about what Rivera, Belichek or Parcells did, .. this is about Damien Wilson's starting role in Chiefs defense was.
And what base scheme Chiefs run.

i dunno where you are choosing to go with all that " personnel " , and if they change up to mix up to a hybrid to confuse
an offense, during in-game that's another matter.
and maybe that's your point, but in responding to your post, as soon as DC Steve Spagnuolo arrived
in KC land, they immediately switched and became a base 4-3 scheme, and Damien Wilson was a starting 4-3 OLB.
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And Naaah, X" no thanx - i don't need a shot screen from what you may want to paint as a " change up hybrid look " during a game as you'd like, but
the fact is Wilson is an OLB in the Chiefs 4-3 scheme.



...And ....

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/201...-under-defensive-coordinator-steve-spagnuolo/

What the Chiefs defense will look like under new DC Steve Spagnuolo