Wade Phillip's vs Jason Garrett

[Silver N Blue]

Talib? Peters? These guys aren't talented? Fowler? I'm not sure talent is what they are missing

Agree...I feel your pain...been arguing with others about Littleton...coming off a top ten LB season yet the rams lb's are trash...

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Wade Phillips
4 years 2007 - 2010
60.7% WIN PERCENTAGE
2 NFC East Championships (2007, 2009)
2 Playoff Berths

Jason Garrett*
9 years 2010-2019
56.6% WIN PERCENTAGE
3 NFC East Championships (2014, 2016, 2018)
3 Playoff Berths


PHILLIPS > GARRETT AS H.C.

that's the dumbest thing ever. Phillips took over a team built by Parcells and let it go to crap with no accountability and horrible drafts. By the time that Garrett was HC, the OL was in shambles, the defense was horrible with very little talent and we had no cap space. Phillips may be the worst coach in the history of the Cowboys or at least right up there.

 

[JMech]

Go back and look how much better the defense starting playing after Wade was fired and tell me what role Garrett's sabotage plan had to do with that.

Stop posting stupid crap all of the time.

What do you have to support your statement above? No doubt Garrett did everything in his power to submarine Phillips.

 

[JMech]

that's the dumbest thing ever. Phillips took over a team built by Parcells and let it go to crap with no accountability and horrible drafts. By the time that Garrett was HC, the OL was in shambles, the defense was horrible with very little talent and we had no cap space. Phillips may be the worst coach in the history of the Cowboys or at least right up there.

So Phillips guided the draft picks after Parcells left? You know who controlled the draft after Bill left.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

that's the dumbest thing ever. Phillips took over a team built by Parcells and let it go to crap with no accountability and horrible drafts. By the time that Garrett was HC, the OL was in shambles, the defense was horrible with very little talent and we had no cap space. Phillips may be the worst coach in the history of the Cowboys or at least right up there.

His got a better winning percentage than Garrett , with your reasoning, Garrett is the worst coach in the history of the cowboys ...

Don't get me wrong , I think Phillips was terrible , but the numbers don't lie ; which makes Garrett even worse .

 

[Cowboy4ever]

So Phillips guided the draft picks after Parcells left? You know who controlled the draft after Bill left.

All I know is that every coach that has ever worked for Jerry has said that Jerry gave them what they asked for. So yes, I think Wade had a big say in who was drafted and if he didn't than he was even more of a useless HC than I already think he was.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

His got a better winning percentage than Garrett , with your reasoning, Garrett is the worst coach in the history of the cowboys ...

First, i didn't say anything about winning % so no idea what you are even trying to say here.. but Wade's was better than Jimmy's too, so you want in that fight?

 

[JMech]

All I know is that every coach that has ever worked for Jerry has said that Jerry gave them what they asked for. So yes, I think Wade had a big say in who was drafted and if he didn't than he was even more of a useless HC than I already think he was.

Parcells only came in with having influence on the draft. Once Parcells was gone Jerry took that over again because he thought it was easy once again. Phillips wanted a HC position. Listen, I agree that Phillips is a much better DC than a HC. Unfortunately we have Garrett who isn't good in any role other than clapping and butt slapping.

I will say it again.......the leaders on this offense are Dak, Zeke, and couple of OL (Frederick and Martin). On defense it is Lawrence, Lee and Richard. That is your leadership group and we can be thankful for them. Garrett's skill is stating the hell out of their way.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

First, i didn't say anything about winning % so no idea what you are even trying to say here.. but Wade's was better than Jimmy's too, so you want in that fight?

Numbers are in black and white , go apologize for Jason Garrett to someone else .

Phillips made 2 playoff berths in 4 years , Garrett did the same in 8 years . Garrett is garbage .

 

[Tommy]

What do you have to support your statement above? No doubt Garrett did everything in his power to submarine Phillips.

Are you serious?

You make a ridiculous and unsubstantiated claim that "Garrett did everything in his power to submarine Phillips."

But your asking me to support my statements.

Here is the points against the Cowboys Phillips last 3 games:
41, 35, 45

Here is the next 3 after he was fired:
20, 19, 30

If you believe Garrett sabotaged the team how would you explain the difference in the defenses points given up?

 

[mardwin]

Numbers are in black and white , go apologize for Jason Garrett to someone else .

Phillips made 2 playoff berths in 4 years , Garrett did the same in 8 years . Garrett is garbage .

Wow, that's a very telling story. Wade was in a lose-lose situation having Garrett as an OC from day one.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Parcells only came in with having influence on the draft. Once Parcells was gone Jerry took that over again because he thought it was easy once again. Phillips wanted a HC position. Listen, I agree that Phillips is a much better DC than a HC. Unfortunately we have Garrett who isn't good in any role other than clapping and butt slapping.

I will say it again.......the leaders on this offense are Dak, Zeke, and couple of OL (Frederick and Martin). On defense it is Lawrence, Lee and Richard. That is your leadership group and we can be thankful for them. Garrett's skill is stating the hell out of their way.

oh.. I see what type of fan you are. So never mind, can't have a rationale football conversation with someone that is irrational. My apologies for thinking otherwise. Carry on.

 

[JMech]

Are you serious?

You make a ridiculous and unsubstantiated claim that "Garrett did everything in his power to submarine Phillips."

But your asking me to support my statements.

Here is the points against the Cowboys Phillips last 3 games:
41, 35, 45

Here is the next 3 after he was fired:
20, 19, 30

If you believe Garrett sabotaged the team how would you explain the difference in the defenses points given up?

Well that's easy.

The 3 games before he was fired...lost to Giants (5-2) 41-35, lost to Jacksonville (4-4) 35-17, and lost to GB (6-3) 45-7.
The 3 games after they played the Giants again and won 33-20. They beat a 2-8 Detroit team 35-19 and they lost to an 8-3 NO team 30-27.

Yeah, I sure can see those glaring differences.

 

[JMech]

oh.. I see what type of fan you are. So never mind, can't have a rationale football conversation with someone that is irrational. My apologies for thinking otherwise. Carry on.

You have followed this team for a while...correct?

 

[Cowboy4ever]

You have followed this team for a while...correct?

40 plus years

 

[TimHortons]

Linehan just has to attack with Zeke and increase run options, bootlegs, sneaks, draws, sweeps, etc. for Dak.

I hope really you're right but I fear that's wishful thinking. Linecrap refuses to utilize Dak's mobility nearly enough. He's an incompetent coordinator. With Zeke at RB to scare defenses and with Dak's mobility and ability to run, the play action bootleg could be absolutely deadly, but we almost never use it

 

[JMech]

40 plus years

Have you followed the draft and the people influencing the draft through the years?

BTW, I've been following them since 1970.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Have you followed the draft and the people influencing the draft through the years?

BTW, I've been following them since 1970.

Not when I was younger, who had time, I was all about being stupid But over the last 10 years or so I have paid much more attention to the details. And I am not arguing that Jerry doesn't influence the draft, of course he does, just like every other GM in the NFL. And Jerry is not perfect, and he is egotistical, no doubt about it, and if we were discussing the campo, Switz, or Gailey years, I would be more inclined to feel that those coaches didn't stand a chance with Jerry. But I believe that after he hired Parcells, he changed somewhat. I think he really started to learn and listen to and from the "football guys". I think he gave Wade every thing/player that Wade wanted. I think he has given Garrett a lot of say in the draft process and building this team. I am sure he relies on input from McClay and Garrett and I think he makes decisions based on their feed back and his experience in the drafts. I do not automatically assume he is an idiot or stupid when it comes to football matters, maybe 20 years ago, but I think everyone grows and learns over time and now I think he is a pretty good GM so while I do blame him a lot for the past 23 years I don't think he is the same person that made those decisions across the Switz, Gailey and Campo years.

So for the team to go from where it went from Bill P to Garrett in terms of talent, and age, I blame that on the HC - Wade.

 

[EGTuna]

Let's look at their two actual meetings (even though Linehan was the OC, Garrett no doubt has a say in everything):

1. Dallas at Houston 10/4/2014
Dallas won 20-17 in OT (The Tony Romo Spin-o-rama TD to Williams Game)
Dallas Gained: 24 first downs, 140 rushing yards with 1 fumble lost, 324 passing yards with 2 TDs, 1 INT and 2 fumbles lost by Harris. Those are stats you would take every week except the 2 turnovers (Houston had only 1 turnover - a Ryan Fitzpatrick (!) interception.
Romo sacked once for 8 yards.

2. LA Rams at Dallas 10/1/2017
Rams won 35-30 (Gurley seam pass game where Heath took a horrific angle)
Dallas gained: 22 first downs, 189 rushing with 1 TD (Morris had a 75 yarder), 252 passing with 3 TDs, 1 INT. 1 other fumble by Switzer on a punt return (Grrr).
Dak was sacked twice for 1 yard. Dallas started FG, TD, TD, TD before cooling off.

So both times a Garret/Linehan lead offense faced a Phillips D, they gained 20+ first downs, 440+ yards and had success on the ground and in the air. Probably means zippy for Saturday's game, but these are the objective numbers.

 

[joseephuss]

His got a better winning percentage than Garrett , with your reasoning, Garrett is the worst coach in the history of the cowboys ...

Don't get me wrong , I think Phillips was terrible , but the numbers don't lie ; which makes Garrett even worse .

How would that be? Chan Gailey(0 playoff wins), Jimmy Johnson(2 SBs), Bill Parcells(0 playoff wins) and Dave Campo(0 playoff appearances) all have worse winning percentages than Garrett. One of them is the worst head coach in Cowboys history and it should be 100% agreement on who that person is.

It isn't just about the numbers. Situations matter. Parcells was better than Gailey even though Gailey has the better winning percentage. I know Barry Switzer isn't the best coach in Cowboys history even though he has a Superbowl trophy and the best winning percentage. Garrett is better than Phillips. Perhaps it is close, but he is better.