Wade Phillip's vs Jason Garrett

[blueblood70]

he took it to them last meeting in 17, this one is much bigger, and I'm betting he still holds a bit of angst at JJ and clapper. BUT, Pete the gumball Carroll also owned the clap, but look how that turned. June bug is a nice guy, but I love watching his expressions as a team runs over his great designed D....looks like a June bug who just squatted on an open flame.

took it to us? we were up 8 at the half Switzers fumble changed the momentum..i recall a high scoring close game, cant remember the final score..but 1st off it wasn't defensive game, secondly the rams are lowly ranked in all defense except take aways? all that talent and have 16th pass defense and 23rd rush defense..im shaking in my boots..

 

[Tommy]

Well that's easy.

The 3 games before he was fired...lost to Giants (5-2) 41-35, lost to Jacksonville (4-4) 35-17, and lost to GB (6-3) 45-7.
The 3 games after they played the Giants again and won 33-20. They beat a 2-8 Detroit team 35-19 and they lost to an 8-3 NO team 30-27.

Yeah, I sure can see those glaring differences.

I'm not sure what your point is. Here is a breakdown:

Last 3 with Phillips opponents record 15-9. Dallas defense gives up 40.3ppg

Next 3 after Phillips opponents record 16-14. Dallas defense gives up 23.0ppg

Did you actually watch the games before Phillips was fired? They were actually beat worse than the scoreboard showed. They were getting destroyed. The team had clearly quit playing.

Can you please explain how the defense giving up 40 ppg fits with your Garrett sabotage theory?

 

[northerncowboynation]

Wade Phillip's is the rams Defensive Coordinator. He will have a chance to move to the next step and send Jason and Jerry home at the same time. Wade was always a great defensive coordinator , he just doesnt seem to be head coach material for today's game/media. He has Aaron Donald , Suh, Brockers, Fowler, Talib ,and Peter's at his disposal. Wade was always good with coming up with nice defensive plans. This game will be a very good game.

Is there still a player on THIS team other than LP who even remembers uncle Wade was a HC here?. We will meet his Donald, Suh, Brockers, Fowler, Talib and Peters and call his bluff with Crawford, Collins, Lawrence, Gregory, Jaylon, LVE, Byron and Woods. Snap!

 

[northerncowboynation]

took it to us? we were up 8 at the half Switzers fumble changed the momentum..i recall a high scoring close game, cant remember the final score..but 1st off it wasn't defensive game, secondly the rams are lowly ranked in all defense except take aways? all that talent and have 16th pass defense and 23rd rush defense..im shaking in my boots..

Agree. The Switzer gaff changed that game. And Gurley ran all over a Lee-less, LVE-less defense. The Switzer gaff and Gurley were the difference in that game. We've changed a lot as a team since then with LVE and Jaylon playing at a higher level than Lee and Hitch. Stop Gurley, stop the Rams. Won't be easy, will be exciting

 

[JMech]

I'm not sure what your point is. Here is a breakdown:

Last 3 with Phillips opponents record 15-9. Dallas defense gives up 40.3ppg

Next 3 after Phillips opponents record 16-14. Dallas defense gives up 23.0ppg

Did you actually watch the games before Phillips was fired? They were actually beat worse than the scoreboard showed. They were getting destroyed. The team had clearly quit playing.

Can you please explain how the defense giving up 40 ppg fits with your Garrett sabotage theory?

The firing was all related to that loss to GB. Before you look at scores, look at the record of the opposing teams at that time and remember how the season evolves over a season. The comparison is ridiculous. The defense did not play better once he was gone. Remember how much the role the offense has in the performance of a defense. If you watched those games, you will remember that the offense underperformed. The average Time of Possession of the 3 games going into the firing of Phillips was 23 minutes. After the firing, the next 3 games the average TOP was 29 minutes, but if you remove the 22 min of TOP against the Giants that they fluked off a win in, the TOP was now at about 32 min. This doesn't sound to you like an OC that changed out his game plan once the HC was gone and he was inserted???

That is what fans saw during that time. Garrett seemingly submarined Phillips and having watched those games (unfortunately), I would say that the difference was obvious and motivated. Apparently everyone sees the games differently, but fans that watched the situation closely came to the same conclusion I did. That is the primary reason I have NO respect for Garrett. And after 9 years, he hasn't earned any either. I am not going to be duped by this fake.

 

[Ring6]

no apostrophe needed, no ownership involved

 

[Keithfansince5]

Wades' defenses usually are good the first year he is there and then teams figure it out. this year they are not that good against the run. and the defense is average and they had added a bunch of pieces to that defense and have arguably the best DT in football.

That was going to be my exact point. Sooooo, I agree.

 

[silvrNblue]

took it to us? we were up 8 at the half Switzers fumble changed the momentum..i recall a high scoring close game, cant remember the final score..but 1st off it wasn't defensive game, secondly the rams are lowly ranked in all defense except take aways? all that talent and have 16th pass defense and 23rd rush defense..im shaking in my boots..

Dude, I wasn't trashing our boys, and yes we had that last meet 24-16 at the half. It was AFTER the half where our offense got stymied by junebug...hey I'm giving us the win by 7 or more.

 

[silvrNblue]

Took what to us? His defense gave up 30 points and 440 yards. He didn't take **** to us.

Um... we lost like 34,5 to 30.... and they beat us AFTER we were up at the half 24 -16. so yea took it to us fits.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And Jerry is not perfect, and he is egotistical, no doubt about it, and if we were discussing the campo, Switz, or Gailey years, I would be more inclined to feel that those coaches didn't stand a chance with Jerry. But I believe that after he hired Parcells, he changed somewhat. I think he really started to learn and listen to and from the "football guys". I think he gave Wade every thing/player that Wade wanted.

Sorry, but this is a joke. Jerry gave Parcells authority because he had to. He went right back to being Jerry as soon as Bill left, which is why Parcells said as he was leaving that "in a few years you'll never even know I was here."

Also, Jerry flatly stated that Wade was "standing on the table" for Chris Johnson 2K, but Jerry drafted Felix Jones instead. And Jerry wouldn't even hire the assistant coaches Phillips wanted when Sparano and a couple others left after 2007 -- he hired the ones Garrett wanted instead. And those are just two examples.

So no, Jerry most definitely did not give Phillips every player and thing he wanted.

 

[mldardy]

Um... we lost like 34,5 to 30.... and they beat us AFTER we were up at the half 24 -16. so yea took it to us fits.

Um, I'm not talking about the result of the game. Your quote was 'he took it to them last meeting in 17'. No he didn't. His defense gave up 30 points and 440 yards. You don't what you are talking about and it looks like I'm not the only one that thinks that way.

 

[silvrNblue]

Um, I'm not talking about the result of the game. Your quote was 'he took it to them last meeting in 17'. No he didn't. His defense gave up 30 points and 440 yards. You don't what you are talking about and it looks like I'm not the only one that thinks that way.

Ohhh gosh darn it, your so right... I forgot we WON that game. you and your so called dufus arm chairs need to chill...it was a toss out, took it to us, as in we LOST the game, but hey you keep living that I'm a ledgend in my own mind status there .... good grief

 

[CWR]

he took it to them last meeting in 17, this one is much bigger, and I'm betting he still holds a bit of angst at JJ and clapper. BUT, Pete the gumball Carroll also owned the clap, but look how that turned. June bug is a nice guy, but I love watching his expressions as a team runs over his great designed D....looks like a June bug who just squatted on an open flame.

I think we'd have won going away had Switzer not fumbled the ball. We still put up points, this time around we have a stellar defense.

 

[silvrNblue]

I think we'd have won going away had Switzer not fumbled the ball. We still put up points, this time around we have a stellar defense.

And you may be right, but then again who's to say some other play doesn't fall their way? A pick 6, or a pick at all, or a fumble from Zeke, I mean sure you could point to that one instance and put it on Switz, but none of us can sit here and say despite THAT bad play we win.... that's my jest on it. and I am with you, as long as our D stays hungry, I believe we will beat the snot out of them.

 

[mldardy]

Ohhh gosh darn it, your so right... I forgot we WON that game. you and your so called dufus arm chairs need to chill...it was a toss out, took it to us, as in we LOST the game, but hey you keep living that I'm a ledgend in my own mind status there .... good grief

My goodness you have serious reading comprehension skills. The point is not who won or lost that game. Your point was that Wade's defense owned us. The FACT is they didn't. The sooner you can get this the sooner you can move on from this topic but I know that you won't get it.

 

[Doomsday101]

The firing was all related to that loss to GB. Before you look at scores, look at the record of the opposing teams at that time and remember how the season evolves over a season. The comparison is ridiculous. The defense did not play better once he was gone. Remember how much the role the offense has in the performance of a defense. If you watched those games, you will remember that the offense underperformed. The average Time of Possession of the 3 games going into the firing of Phillips was 23 minutes. After the firing, the next 3 games the average TOP was 29 minutes, but if you remove the 22 min of TOP against the Giants that they fluked off a win in, the TOP was now at about 32 min. This doesn't sound to you like an OC that changed out his game plan once the HC was gone and he was inserted???

That is what fans saw during that time. Garrett seemingly submarined Phillips and having watched those games (unfortunately), I would say that the difference was obvious and motivated. Apparently everyone sees the games differently, but fans that watched the situation closely came to the same conclusion I did. That is the primary reason I have NO respect for Garrett. And after 9 years, he hasn't earned any either. I am not going to be duped by this fake.

If your theory is true then Phillips had no business being the HC if he is not willing to overrule his coordinators. Wade was fired from the Cowboys for the same reason he has been fired as HC at other places and that is his team tend to quit on him. I guess Garrett got him fired from other teams as well?

 

[Dre11]

What do you have to support your statement above? No doubt Garrett did everything in his power to submarine Phillips.

You're a fool too , they went 5-3 done the stretch and the defense was better, it was the defense that sucked during the losing streak. Garrett didn't run the defense, go look at the scores the o put up during the losing streak.

 

[Redball Express]

Just me, but I'm guessing Wade days are numbered. Look at the points this D gave up during the season. Would not surprise me at all if he's fired immediately after their season ends.

You mean Monday.

 

[Dre11]

How would that be? Chan Gailey(0 playoff wins), Jimmy Johnson(2 SBs), Bill Parcells(0 playoff wins) and Dave Campo(0 playoff appearances) all have worse winning percentages than Garrett. One of them is the worst head coach in Cowboys history and it should be 100% agreement on who that person is.

It isn't just about the numbers. Situations matter. Parcells was better than Gailey even though Gailey has the better winning percentage. I know Barry Switzer isn't the best coach in Cowboys history even though he has a Superbowl trophy and the best winning percentage. Garrett is better than Phillips. Perhaps it is close, but he is better.

Tell him, Wade said Garrett has done a better job than him.

 

[dfense]

I guarantee that Wade has something in store for Garrett, the question is will Garrett have a counter for it.

Maybe he's going to bring some cupcakes.