Wade: The player's coach.

Don Corleone

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Fmart322;3172314 said:
I think Jimmy's style could still work in todays game. I was pointing out how a lot of the younger posters, ones who never saw Jimmy or Landry coach, see Wade as a good HC in the NFL.

Some aspects of it might work, but some aspects would not. Parcells was a more stern disciplinarian than Jimmy could ever aspire to be, yet he was unable to succeed in today's NFL. Why was that the case? You can't cut players on the flight home anymore. Cap ramifications don't allow that.

Jimmy left no details out of game planning. That is where he would have an advantage. For example, he studied how the field was re-sodded before the 1992 NFC Champ game against the Niners in SF, and asked his offensive coaches to gameplan based on those field conditions. That is what a detail-oriented coach does.

Could it be that Wade's public persona is different from his private persona that he shares' with players? I mean, players like Brooking and Olshansky were chomping at the bit to play for him again. Some SD players have come on record and said the same thing. There must be some element of his coaching that draws them to him, and it isn't like those players have been lazy on the field, and taken advantage of Wade.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Don Corleone;3172326 said:
Some aspects of it might work, but some aspects would not. Parcells was a more stern disciplinarian than Jimmy could ever aspire to be, yet he was unable to succeed in today's NFL. Why was that the case? You can't cut players on the flight home anymore. Cap ramifications don't allow that.

Jimmy left no details out of game planning. That is where he would have an advantage. For example, he studied how the field was re-sodded before the 1992 NFC Champ game against the Niners in SF, and asked his offensive coaches to gameplan based on those field conditions. That is what a detail-oriented coach does.

Could it be that Wade's public persona is different from his private persona that he shares' with players? I mean, players like Brooking and Olshansky were chomping at the bit to play for him again. Some SD players have come on record and said the same thing. There must be some element of his coaching that draws them to him, and it isn't like those players have been lazy on the field, and taken advantage of Wade.

Just my 2 cents.

I believe these guys want to play for him because they liked him as a defensive coach. It's a big difference between HC and Def coach, imo.

Like you said about Jimmy with the sod in San Fran, Wade doesn't seem to care about details for what I see about him. True, I don't get the inside view of what he's really like but, again, from what I see, he's not all that concerned with details like Jimmy was.

I do, however, hope he breaks the sterio type that is created about him while he's with the Cowboys. Of course then he'll be retained.:eek:
 

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Fmart322;3172314 said:
I think Jimmy's style could still work in todays game. I was pointing out how a lot of the younger posters, ones who never saw Jimmy or Landry coach, see Wade as a good HC in the NFL.

I'm 22, so I def. did not see Landry, and only remember a few games during Jimmy's tenure.

But I have never, ever (ok maybe for a few games in 07) saw Wade as a good HC.
 

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NextGenBoys;3172382 said:
I'm 22, so I def. did not see Landry, and only remember a few games during Jimmy's tenure.

But I have never, ever (ok maybe for a few games in 07) saw Wade as a good HC.

Thank god, I was begining to wonder if the next generations of Cowboys fans were getting poluted with average.
 

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theogt;3172298 said:
Lack of detail? Maybe you mean "lack of attention to detail."

Irony of the statement notwithstanding, I'd be curious as to what you actually mean by the statement. Any examples?


I should have stated " attention to detail",it would have been a little clearer.

Wade has always had the knock of "lacking with attention to detail".There was an article on that shortcoming some time ago,wish I could remember where I saw it.I also believe that the topic has came up before on different talk shows saying that league personnel types have said that Wade doesn't preach "attention to detail".

I'm of the opinion that "attention to detail" goes a long ways in establishing a fundamentally sound team.Part of the problem with this team throughout the year has been because of too many stupid mistakes.Alot of those mistakes are caused by not doing the little things.I think part of the solution to fixing those little things is "attention to detail".

Look at the hands to the face penalty that cost Spencer a sack in New Orleans.That same penalty cost Scandrick a sack/fumble in the Green Bay game.I believe there have been a few other times that same penalty has negated a positive play for the defense.Wade needs to get Campo to clean that little detail up and Wade needs to emphasize how important good technique is.Little things like that do make a difference in the outcome of games.


Craig
 

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craig71;3172457 said:
I should have stated " attention to detail",it would have been a little clearer.

Wade has always had the knock of "lacking with attention to detail".There was an article on that shortcoming some time ago,wish I could remember where I saw it.I also believe that the topic has came up before on different talk shows saying that league personnel types have said that Wade doesn't preach "attention to detail".

I'm of the opinion that "attention to detail" goes a long ways in establishing a fundamentally sound team.Part of the problem with this team throughout the year has been because of too many stupid mistakes.Alot of those mistakes are caused by not doing the little things.I think part of the solution to fixing those little things is "attention to detail".

Look at the hands to the face penalty that cost Spencer a sack in New Orleans.That same penalty cost Scandrick a sack/fumble in the Green Bay game.I believe there have been a few other times that same penalty has negated a positive play for the defense.Wade needs to get Campo to clean that little detail up and Wade needs to emphasize how important good technique is.Little things like that do make a difference in the outcome of games.


Craig
I've never seen any of these articles or statements that Phillips lacks attention to detail. I've only read the opposite. If you could provide anything to back this claim up, it'd be appreciated.
 

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Fmart322;3172246 said:
I see a lot of people posting that this is Wade's team and they believe in Wade. Seriously, what has Wade ever done as a HC in the NFL? Went 0-4 in post season games. 0-1 with the Cowboys with a 13-3 team. Biggest playoff letdown I've ever seen in over 30 years of Cowboys football.

I don't get how your throwing Jimmy into this? I know he let some players slip under the rug but those players were very good or else they wouldn't have been on the field or in Dallas period. He also got 3 rings with players who were "Grossly overlooked for their misconduct".

Here's a question, We have Washington and Philly comming up, who would you rather have coaching this team, Wade or Jimmy?


I brought up Jimmy because you did first. Go back and read the post that I quoted.

As for Washington and Philly coming up, I'd rather have Wade, as he's our coach. Jimmy's been out of football for at least 10 years. Looking back to the past is the critical flaw that so many Cowboys fans fall victim to...it doesn't matter what Landry or Jimmy did on 12/26/2009...it matters what our current team is trying to do.
 

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casmith07;3172490 said:
I brought up Jimmy because you did first. Go back and read the post that I quoted.

As for Washington and Philly coming up, I'd rather have Wade, as he's our coach. Jimmy's been out of football for at least 10 years. Looking back to the past is the critical flaw that so many Cowboys fans fall victim to...it doesn't matter what Landry or Jimmy did on 12/26/2009...it matters what our current team is trying to do.

I understand Wade is the current HC of the Cowboys yet I'd still rather have Jimmy here for the next 2 weeks. I bet he'd get these guy whipped into shape as a championship team better then Wade has done in 3 years.

I don't feel looking back to past as a critical flaw, looking back show what it took to win in the NFL. Landry and Jimmy won in this league and this current team could use a little lesson on what it takes to finish. Yea, I know neither of them can save us now and were stuck with Wade, for better or worse, for the rest of the season.
 

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Fmart322;3172587 said:
I understand Wade is the current HC of the Cowboys yet I'd still rather have Jimmy here for the next 2 weeks. I bet he'd get these guy whipped into shape as a championship team better then Wade has done in 3 years.

I don't feel looking back to past as a critical flaw, looking back show what it took to win in the NFL. Landry and Jimmy won in this league and this current team could use a little lesson on what it takes to finish. Yea, I know neither of them can save us now and were stuck with Wade, for better or worse, for the rest of the season.

And I'd bet Wade would do a better job. He knows the defense and the offense is taking care of itself well enough. He knows the players and he knows the Commanders.

Jimmy would need to get caught up to speed and he's not doing that in a few days. I think he'd do a good job but I don't know he'd be better than Wade.

Why don't we wait to fire Wade if and when the team fails expectations. Until then why not pull for the guy to take us to the SB. That's my expectations beyond Sunday night and the next week.
 

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jobberone;3172691 said:
Why don't we wait to fire Wade if and when the team fails expectations. Until then why not pull for the guy to take us to the SB. That's my expectations beyond Sunday night and the next week.

Finally a logical view on things! There are people that are so anxious to see him fired that they can't focus on the prize, which is still in reach for this team.

Can we put down the Haterade for a few weeks and see what happens?

No casual member of this forum knows what goes on behind closed doors. Ever consider the fact that this team is not as talented as we all would like to believe? Or maybe they lack the mental psyche to close out big games on a regular basis? There are some things that can't be coached. Just ask Bill Parcells.

With that being said, I would laugh my *** off if this team managed to make its way to the Super Bowl this year. It would be a fitting end for all the Wade bashers.
 
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