Wade v Tomlin

[grogan6314]

Steelers wouldn't even have a winning record without Dick LeBeau. Not a chance in hell they reach the Superbowl. Tomlin, however, is a top-notch chest bumper probably the best in the NFL. I heard Tomlin in an interview on NFL network. Pat kirwan was asking him specific strategy questions about blitzes and other things. Tomlin sounded totally clueless. All he talked about was bringing intensity and emotional stuff. He couldn't answer any questions that Kirwan was asking him.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Steelers wouldn't even have a winning record without Dick LeBeau. Not a chance in hell they reach the Superbowl. Tomlin, however, is a top-notch chest bumper probably the best in the NFL. I heard Tomlin in an interview on NFL network. Pat kirwan was asking him specific strategy questions about blitzes and other things. Tomlin sounded totally clueless. All he talked about was bringing intensity and emotional stuff. He couldn't answer any questions that Kirwan was asking him.

Ouch.

 

[boyzjunkie]

If that's the case, Jimmy Johnson was a figurehead too. Wannstedt ran the defense, Norv Turner the offense. Jimmy just set the tone, and let those guys do what they did.

If you have a good staff, you can concentrate on coaching. That's not being a figurehead, that's being smart, trusting the people under you and being able to delegate.

Pay attention people.

 

[Venger]

I think Tomlin is a guy who came into a good organization and a down league. Though I'd take him over Wade, just because he seems to be more energetic and involved, I'd still not hire him.

 

[Alexander]

The chest bump is key.

Shows you can relate to the players.

Which equals Championship!

That seems to be a common theme associated, and I will say it, with young black head coaches.

I cannot count how many times I have read that comment attached to Raheem Morris, who is even more underqualified to hold his position than Tomlin was.

Are today's NFL players indeed so shallow that knocking knuckles with the head coach is more important than the respect experience and savvy should carry?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

That seems to be a common theme associated, and I will say it, with young black head coaches.

I cannot count how many times I have read that comment attached to Raheem Morris, who is even more underqualified to hold his position than Tomlin was.

Are today's NFL players indeed so shallow that knocking knuckles with the head coach is more important than the respect experience and savvy should carry?

Please.

To even suggest that guys like Mike Tomlin and Mike Singletary are getting jobs because they "chest bump" their players is complete and utter garbage.

Furthermore, Mike Tomlin just proved he was very qualified to be an NFL Head Coach.

 

[Alexander]

Please.

To even suggest that guys like Mike Tomlin and Mike Singletary are getting jobs because they "chest bump" their players is complete and utter garbage.

I didn't say that. Now I am fairly confident that they are getting more opportunities because they supposedly "relate" better. Take that how you wish, but it is fairly obvious. I have heard the Glazers and practically every media talking head use this same descriptive when talking about Morris.

NFL brass are now actively looking for a Tomlin clones. It is a trend now bordering on a fad. It is not just the black coaches, but also the young white ones as well even though there is little to support it beyond Tomlin's success this year. Right now you have four to five relative neophyte head coaches inserted with very little attention paid to any sort of sustained track record as a coordinator.

Prior to this season the last last few Super Bowl winners were crusty codgers like Belichick, Coughlin and Dungy. So how did they manage to win without being able to "relate"?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I didn't say that. Now I am fairly confident that they are getting more opportunities because they supposedly "relate" better. Take that how you wish, but it is fairly obvious. I have heard the Glazers and practically every media talking head use this same descriptive when talking about Morris.

NFL brass are now actively looking for a Tomlin clones. It is a trend now bordering on a fad. It is not just the black coaches, but also the young white ones as well even though there is little to support it beyond Tomlin's success this year. Right now you have four to five relative neophyte head coaches inserted with very little attention paid to any sort of sustained track record as a coordinator.

Prior to this season the last last few Super Bowl winners were crusty codger like Belichick, Coughlin and Dungy. So how did they manage to win without being able to "relate"?

I have to respectfully disagree.

I still think franchises are looking for the hard nosed Head Coaches, the only difference is that through the "Rooney Rule" and society progressing as a whole, the coaches are more diverse now.

Bill Cowher was considered what you called a "crusty codger" and he stated that Mike Tomlin was alot tougher on his players than he was.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

#1 - Love the hindsight crew that has popped up since Sunday.

Now we've got people who are saying we should have drafted Holmes and we should have hired Tomlin instead of Wade.

I wonder if any of these people who makes these claims were knocking down barriers, taking up the fight, for these guys to be brought here when they were available. Some how I seriously doubt anyone was all, "Bring Mike Tomlin to Dallas. That's who we need. Get us Tomlin."

Hindsight, such a wonderful thing.

#2 - The racism card that was pulled, as a reason people wouldn't have wanted Tomlin at the time, was not only offensive but it was just flat out stupid. Only a complete moron would even attempt to throw that in there.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I scratched my head when Tomlin was hired, but I think he's proven to be a good hire by them and not just because of the super bowl.

I shrugged when Wade was hired and I'm still meh on him.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

#1 - Love the hindsight crew that has popped up since Sunday.

Now we've got people who are saying we should have drafted Holmes and we should have hired Tomlin instead of Wade.

I wonder if any of these people who makes these claims were knocking down barriers, taking up the fight, for these guys to be brought here when they were available. Some how I seriously doubt anyone was all, "Bring Mike Tomlin to Dallas. That's who we need. Get us Tomlin."

Hindsight, such a wonderful thing.

#2 - The racism card that was pulled, as a reason people wouldn't have wanted Tomlin at the time, was not only offensive but it was just flat out stupid. Only a complete moron would even attempt to throw that in there.

Actually, there was a fair amount of fans who were clamouring for Michael Singletary. So the idea that fans may have wanted Mike Tomlin instead of Wade Phillips isn't far fetched.

As for the race issue, I didn't see the post where someone made that claim. However, if a non-white Head Coach were brought here, it would certainly be groundbreaking, different and I have been to enough Cowboys games to know "some" would have a problem with it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Actually, there was a fair amount of fans who were clamouring for Michael Singletary. So the idea that fans may have wanted Mike Tomlin instead of Wade Phillips isn't far fetched.

As for the race issue, I didn't see the post where someone made that claim. However, if a non-white Head Coach were brought here, it would certainly be groundbreaking, different and I have been to enough Cowboys games to know "some" would have a problem with it.

I'd respectfully point out that people, the ones who did, want Singletary were going by the name and what they knew he brought to the table as a player, believing that it would translate over to being a good/great HC.

I'd be willing to bet very few, if any, big time Cowboys fans even had a clue who Mike Tomlin was when he got hired by the Steelers.

 

[YosemiteSam]

#2 - The racism card that was pulled, as a reason people wouldn't have wanted Tomlin at the time, was not only offensive but it was just flat out stupid. Only a complete moron would even attempt to throw that in there.

Amercia's population today surely consists of about 80% morons (those who don't even know general geography and and things like that), 10% are half intelligent (Those that vote for X because he is cool, but actually know Paris is in France, Rome is in Italy, and that the Indy 500 race does NOT happen in New York), 7% intelligent (People who can have intelligent (ie lacking on-the-fly BS) conversations in subjects they don't deal with regularly), and 3% very intelligent. (no need to explain that)

Now, I don't claim those to be *real* statistics, but they can't be far off. With those numbers and how many people actually post on this board, did you really expect race not to come up?

 

[Alexander]

Actually, there was a fair amount of fans who were clamouring for Michael Singletary. So the idea that fans may have wanted Mike Tomlin instead of Wade Phillips isn't far fetched.

At least people knew who Singletary was. Most people were going "who?" when Tomlin was hired. That's just simple reality.

 

[Alexander]

I have to respectfully disagree.

I still think franchises are looking for the hard nosed Head Coaches, the only difference is that through the "Rooney Rule" and society progressing as a whole, the coaches are more diverse now.

Bill Cowher was considered what you called a "crusty codger" and he stated that Mike Tomlin was alot tougher on his players than he was.

The Rooneys may have noted that quality in Tomlin and capitalized on it. They are smart owners and know football.

But I have a very hard time seeing the Glazers as being that savvy with the bizarre hire of Morris. With as much of a copy cat league that this is, I have no doubt they pumped their fists congratulating themselves on keeping their "Tomlin".

 

[YosemiteSam]

The Rooneys may have noted that quality in Tomlin and capitalized on it. They are smart owners and know football.

But I have a very hard time seeing the Glazers as being that savvy with the bizarre hire of Morris. With as much of a copy cat league that this is, I have no doubt they pumped their fists congratulating themselves on keeping their "Tomlin".

I don't know so much about Morris, but I will say this. He doesn't look mature enough to be a head coach after what I saw of him after taking the HC job. Smart maybe, mature? We shall see.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Actually, there was a fair amount of fans who were clamouring for Michael Singletary. So the idea that fans may have wanted Mike Tomlin instead of Wade Phillips isn't far fetched.

Singletary and Tomlin are two different people. All black men aren't the same. If you didn't meant it that way, I apologize. However, if you did .

As for the race issue, I didn't see the post where someone made that claim. However, if a non-white Head Coach were brought here, it would certainly be groundbreaking, different and I have been to enough Cowboys games to know "some" would have a problem with it.

The original post was edited by Hostile and it's a good thing or this would've been a 50 page thread by now.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Actually, there was a fair amount of fans who were clamouring for Michael Singletary. So the idea that fans may have wanted Mike Tomlin instead of Wade Phillips isn't far fetched.

As for the race issue, I didn't see the post where someone made that claim. However, if a non-white Head Coach were brought here, it would certainly be groundbreaking, different and I have been to enough Cowboys games to know "some" would have a problem with it.

The original poster indicated that some on the board would have a problem with a black coach because of his race.

 

[khiladi]

If the Cardinals could actually tackle Rothlisberger, as well as refused to go to a three-man rush, away from what actually was working, this discussion wouldn't even be happening. They kept Holmes in check the whole game...

A blown coverage by the Cardinals, despite 3-man rush is unacceptable...

The game was lost by the Cardinals.. one of the worst defensive performances on a series I have witnessed...

It was like Garrett on defense...

 

[TheCount]

Tomlin isn't a figurehead. He is more of a dictator. He demands everything you have. Personally, I prefer a dictator coach rather than a Sunday Brunch coach we have in Wade.

Yup. People saying Tomlin is the best buds or "relates better" don't have a clue. There was a point at which the players were talking about how they liked him because of what he demanded of them and so forth, a complementary statement.

Tomlin's response?

"I coach, they play. Mutual respect is required and the reality is they're here to please me".

And he said this in early December, this isn't a coach showing bravado after winning the big one. This is not a guy out there making friends, he's there to lead. Since when is a leader a figurehead?