Warmack & Cooper?

[xwalker]

Have you read about all the ZBS stretch plays they are running now? Warford is considered a phonebooth blocker that needs to play in a man scheme. He did not fit which is why they didn't have him on their board.

And Warford getting some starting reps means about as much as Arkin getting them in Cowboys camp. Detroit released Stephen Peterman in the offseason so they don't have an established starter there.

Yes, even if Warford turns out to be a good player, it does not indicate that he would have been a good fit in Callahan's scheme.

Drafting players that don't fit the system is not a good draft strategy, IMO.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Aw, so Schwartz didn't actually say that huh?

How do you put a link to something that was spoken? Grow up, quit being childish!

 

[TheRomoSexual]

How do you put a link to something that was spoken? Grow up, quit being childish!

If he actually said that, it would have been reported elsewhere. It hasn't.

 

[tupperware]

If he actually said that, it would have been reported elsewhere. It hasn't.

It wasn't said that he would be a definite starter but it was said that he would compete for a starting spot.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

It wasn't said that he would be a definite starter but it was said that he would compete for a starting spot.

Haha, that's much, much different.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

All I can tell you is when Schwartz was asked about Warford and all the other draft picks, he said Warford was a day one starter. I don't have a link nor do I know if it was reported anywhere else, because frankly, I don't care about other team's write ups. You can believe what you want to believe, I really don't care. If you need a link for everything that is written here, go look for it.

 

[speedkilz88]

Lions' Dylan Gandy making most of starting opportunity at right guard
8:16 AM, August 3, 2013

Dylan Gandy took first-team reps at right guard for the second straight day Friday, but the journeyman NFL backup knows better than to think his path to a starting job is finally complete.

Gandy, entering his 10th NFL season and fifth with the Lions, has been the most consistent player in a crowded right-guard mix through the first seven practices of training camp.

Rookie third-round pick Larry Warford, veteran Jake Scott and first-year player Rodney Austin, who spent last year on the Lions’ practice squad, also have taken first-team reps in camp.

The Lions drafted Warford with the hope that he would take over for long-time starter Stephen Peterman. That still may be the case, but for now Gandy is getting first crack at the job.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz warned about reading too much into the rotation at right guard, but he said Friday Gandy is having “a good camp.”

“We’re still competing,” Schwartz said. “We’ll mix guys up a lot and work a lot of different combinations and we want a guy that’s consistent over the course of time. We have good options in there. Dylan’s having a good camp and we’ll see where it all shakes out. But yeah, I’d caution against reading anything with any of our rotations or depth charts or things like that at this time of year.”

http://www.freep.com/article/201308...y-displays-skill-consistency-at-training-camp

 

[jnday]

Have you read about all the ZBS stretch plays they are running now? Warford is considered a phonebooth blocker that needs to play in a man scheme. He did not fit which is why they didn't have him on their board.

And Warford getting some starting reps means about as much as Arkin getting them in Cowboys camp. Detroit released Stephen Peterman in the offseason so they don't have an established starter there.

Frederick was listed as the same the of lineman. Leary is also. Warford is at a slim 330lbs and his footwork is improving with coaching. I think the Frederick pick was a clear sign that the abs that the Cowboys are using is not the usual zbs. Several posters made this argument pre-draft and the Frederick pick proved that this is not the typical abs with the typical abs linemen.

Have you read about all the ZBS stretch plays they are running now? Warford is considered a phonebooth blocker that needs to play in a man scheme. He did not fit which is why they didn't have him on their board.

And Warford getting some starting reps means about as much as Arkin getting them in Cowboys camp. Detroit released Stephen Peterman in the offseason so they don't have an established starter there.

Frederick was considered a phonebooth blocker as well. Livings , Leary and Bernadeau are too. Dallas doesn't run a typical ZBS.

 

[speedkilz88]

Frederick was listed as the same the of lineman. Leary is also. Warford is at a slim 330lbs and his footwork is improving with coaching. I think the Frederick pick was a clear sign that the abs that the Cowboys are using is not the usual zbs. Several posters made this argument pre-draft and the Frederick pick proved that this is not the typical abs with the typical abs linemen.

Frederick was considered a phonebooth blocker as well. Livings , Leary and Bernadeau are too. Dallas doesn't run a typical ZBS.

What you think doesn't mean a hill of beans. It is what Callahan thinks and he didn't think Warford could play in his system. He was off the board. He apparently does think Frederick, Leary, Bernadeau, and Livings have enough mobility to play his scheme which is why they got them. All kinds of reports from different media members point out that they are running almost all ZBS stuff in the run game. A lot of stretch plays. They are also running a lot of screens. They have been saying that Frederick does indeed show the mobility to play it and so far the limited amount they saw of Leary he was doing well also. Livings is the one guy with knee problems that may have been a miss there.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

They've both looked good from what I've read

 

[jnday]

What you think doesn't mean a hill of beans. It is what Callahan thinks and he didn't think Warford could play in his system. He was off the board. He apparently does think Frederick, Leary, Bernadeau, and Livings have enough mobility to play his scheme which is why they got them. All kinds of reports from different media members point out that they are running almost all ZBS stuff in the run game. A lot of stretch plays. They are also running a lot of screens. They have been saying that Frederick does indeed show the mobility to play it and so far the limited amount they saw of Leary he was doing well also. Livings is the one guy with knee problems that may have been a miss there.

So far, I have hit on more of the linemen than the savior Callahan. My opinion doesn't mean much , but Risen Star, Burm and myself along with others called the livings and Bernadeau signings trash. They help set an all time low for rushing last year. By all means, keep your faith in Callahan and the Cowboys scouts that have come up with great linemen like Brewster, Sam Young, Nagy, Callahans picks Livings and Bernadeau and other studs.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

So far, I have hit on more of the linemen than the savior Callahan. My opinion doesn't mean much , but Risen Star, Burm and myself along with others called the livings and Bernadeau signings trash. They help set an all time low for rushing last year. By all means, keep your faith in Callahan and the Cowboys scouts that have come up with great linemen like Brewster, Sam Young, Nagy, Callahans picks Livings and Bernadeau and other studs.

Hahahahahaha.

People on message boards crack me up.

 

[jnday]

Hahahahahaha.

People on message boards crack me up.

I laugh alot too then I think about this mess and a tear forms in my eyes. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

[speedkilz88]

Hahahahahaha.

People on message boards crack me up.

I laugh alot too then I think about this mess and a tear forms in my eyes. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

There are 31 other teams out there for you.

 

[Idgit]

All I can tell you is when Schwartz was asked about Warford and all the other draft picks, he said Warford was a day one starter. I don't have a link nor do I know if it was reported anywhere else, because frankly, I don't care about other team's write ups. You can believe what you want to believe, I really don't care. If you need a link for everything that is written here, go look for it.

I, for one, appreciate posters recalling what they hear on the radio. Even when links aren't (obviously) available, and even with the increased possibility of transcription errors or misreporting that comes from the delayed transcription. So, thanks for sharing.

I don't have a dog in the Warford fight, so I don't care if he's an All Pro or not a year from now. I'd rather not be drafting in the second round players at positions we can be filling from the 4th on down. I'm also not worried about OG play derailing our season. If Leary's developing (and I really hope he is), we'll have multiple options on the roster for filling that RG spot, and it's a position you can fill in a pinch with a veteran with starting experience if you end up having to.
I just would really like to see us at more or less full roster along the OL and DL for a few weeks this camp. Having both Ratliff and Spencer on the DL, for example, is a tremendous talent upgrade from what we're seeing here. Leary, and soon, Bernadeau in the interior, with Parnell getting necessary reps in camp at OT, and I'll feel better about prospects going into the season. This inconsistency we've had at these spots the last two camps really bugs me.

 

[jnday]

There are 31 other teams out there for you.

Typical homer response. You don't anybody that can discuss the actual problems on the team. I post on another forum to discuss realistic Cowboy problems with educated fans.

 

[xwalker]

So far, I have hit on more of the linemen than the savior Callahan. My opinion doesn't mean much , but Risen Star, Burm and myself along with others called the livings and Bernadeau signings trash. They help set an all time low for rushing last year. By all means, keep your faith in Callahan and the Cowboys scouts that have come up with great linemen like Brewster, Sam Young, Nagy, Callahans picks Livings and Bernadeau and other studs.

Callahan has only been here 1 year. Livings played reasonably well before injuring his knee last season. Bernadeau was never completely healthy.

There is no possibility that Callahan could have predicted that Bernadeau and Livings couldn't stay healthy.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So far, I have hit on more of the linemen than the savior Callahan. My opinion doesn't mean much , but Risen Star, Burm and myself along with others called the livings and Bernadeau signings trash. They help set an all time low for rushing last year. By all means, keep your faith in Callahan and the Cowboys scouts that have come up with great linemen like Brewster, Sam Young, Nagy, Callahans picks Livings and Bernadeau and other studs.

Callahan has only been here 1 year. Livings played reasonably well before injuring his knee last season. Bernadeau was never completely healthy.

There is no possibility that Callahan could have predicted that Bernadeau and Livings couldn't stay healthy.

True.

All the way around.

Plus Callahan couldn't have predicted that both his 1st and 2nd string centers were both gone for virtually the entire season.

 

[Idgit]

Callahan has only been here 1 year. Livings played reasonably well before injuring his knee last season. Bernadeau was never completely healthy.

There is no possibility that Callahan could have predicted that Bernadeau and Livings couldn't stay healthy.

Bear in mind, jnday, RS, burm, they all knew the OGs were trash when they were signed and before they'd ever seen them play together in Dallas. They're not going to take injury status or issues like the revolving door at C, surgeries, or the problems we had with the our OTs last season into account. Changes to the blocking scheme, new OL coaches, the drafting of Frederick, these also don't get taken into consideration.

As near as I can tell, the only acceptable solution is to have signed one of the expensive VFA OGs on the market last offseason. Until we go back and do that, we're going to hear about it in every offensive thread.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bear in mind, jnday, RS, burm, they all knew the OGs were trash when they were signed and before they'd ever seen them play together in Dallas. They're not going to take injury status or issues like the revolving door at C, surgeries, or the problems we had with the our OTs last season into account. Changes to the blocking scheme, new OL coaches, the drafting of Frederick, these also don't get taken into consideration.

As near as I can tell, the only acceptable solution is to have signed one of the expensive VFA OGs on the market last offseason. Until we go back and do that, we're going to hear about it in every offensive thread.

I understand the frustration.

But signing one of those expensive guards wasn't going to ensure that the first and second string centers were going to remain healthy.

Nor was it going to stop the funk that Free had fallen into.

Nor was it going to ease Tyron's growing pains at a new position.

Nor was it going to improve the blocking of the Vickers (which royally sucked and never did get the negative attention it deserved).

Nor was it going to improve the health of the first and second string running backs.

Nor was it going to improve the blocking of John Phillips (which sucked and did not get the negative attention it deserved).

I doubt the addition of Grubbs would have made much of a difference.