Was Dak Ever Considered Elite

[khiladi]

As I’ve said before, there is always a constant re-writing of the narrative regarding Dak. After his putrid last half of the season last year, his biggest fans started flipping the script that they never declared him elite on this board. Without getting in particular posters on this site, among them folks who claimed he was better than Mahomes or Allen, the following article clearly establishes that people were actually challenging the general claim that Dak proved himself elite, meaning this was a common perception that needed to be addressed.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v

In his first year, Prescott threw for 13 touchdowns and 4 interceptions against above-.500 teams and compiled a 6-3 record, including the playoffs. Since then, his touchdown-to-interception ratio is 25-25 and his record as a starter is 6-17. Last year, he had an 8/8 TD/INT ratio and the Cowboys went 1-6 against teams with an above-.500 record.…

Against over-.500 teams both in the regular season and the playoffs (when applicable), Aaron Rodgers had a 12/4 ratio and 5-3 record last year. Russell Wilson had an 11/4 ratio and a 4-4 record. Kirk Cousins had a 15/6 ratio and a 3-5 record. Jared Goff's ratio was 6/6 and his record was 2-4. Tom Brady was 6/5 and 3-4.

Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Deshaun Watson, Prescott's QB contemporaries also up for new deals soon, had numbers of 20/4 and 5-2, 10/3 and 5-2 and 12/5 and 4-3, respectively.

While Prescott isn't alone in his struggles against better teams, all of those quarterbacks outside of Goff were better than Prescott against elite competition last year. For the quarterbacks around his same age and stature (yes, Mahomes and Jackson are MVPs, but you get it), Prescott isn't even in the same ballpark.

Against teams with a .500 record or below, Prescott shines. His TD/INT ratio is 64/9 and his record is 29-5. Those are elite stats for sure, but they come against below-average competition. Of course, that's what good quarterbacks do: beat up on bad competition. But putting Prescott in that elite category doesn't fit based on his career performances against better teams thus far.

The numbers aren’t changing since this article has been written. Even without taking into consideration the win-loss record, Dak is horrible when it comes to TD/INT numbers against quality competition and the stakes are high. 2021 was actually a greater demonstration of this very fact that Dak is a garbage-time QB that is basically in the category of a Goff, though we haven’t seen Dak on a team anywhere near as bad as Detroit. Both of them were horrible on their later progressions and both of them were on good teams, beating up bad opponents.

You can’t claim it’s because of the ‘defense’ he loses.

 

[Risen Star]

Not if you had any clue of what you were talking about.

 

[JoeKing]

In Dak's rookie season when he took the team to a 13-3 record and claimed the 1 seed in the playoffs, I recall lots of folks calling him elite.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

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[ClappingCarrot]

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If Dak didn't exist, OP would have nothing to post about.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

In Dak's rookie season when he took the team to a 13-3 record and claimed the 1 seed in the playoffs, I recall lots of folks calling him elite.

Zeke and the O-line were elite that year.

Dak was pretty much below the middle of the pack in everything besides INTs and Passer Rating. Funnily enough, that is still the best version of Dak we've seen because that Dak knew his place and stayed in his lane.

 

[USArmyVet]

This should be rather interesting.......

 

[Ranched]

Yes, in his rookie year, in 2016. Granted, he was closer to that level in 2021 than he had been since that first year. Currently he's a decent QB & therefore, he's listed in the top 10.

 

[Shane612]

Was Dak ever in a serious conversation of winning the MVP?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Dak has had short stints where he looked elite, but he's not done it consistently to be in the same breath as the top 5 guys. Dak has also had several terrible games over the last 12 he's started (TB 2022, SF, DEN, KC, 1st Wasthington game, etc) where it's tough to put him in the top 10 QBs.

The good news is I don't think this team needs an elite QB right now. 2020 they absolutely needed a QB to carry the team. Now they need Dak to be in the Cooper Rush model with a better arm. We need Dak to be more of the 2016 Dak than the 350 yards a game Dak.

This team gets an upgrade when Dak is healthy, but he has a long way to go to be viewed as elite.

 

[SDCowboy]

Dak is considered a top 10 QB, so it depends what you consider elite.

 

[Corso]

This should be rather interesting.......

Or boring.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

As I’ve said before, there is always a constant re-writing of the narrative regarding Dak. After his putrid last half of the season last year, his biggest fans started flipping the script that they never declared him elite on this board. Without getting in particular posters on this site, among them folks who claimed he was better than Mahomes or Allen, the following article clearly establishes that people were actually challenging the general claim that Dak proved himself elite, meaning this was a common perception that needed to be addressed.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v



The numbers aren’t changing since this article has been written. Even without taking into consideration the win-loss record, Dak is horrible when it comes to TD/INT numbers against quality competition and the stakes are high. 2021 was actually a greater demonstration of this very fact that Dak is a garbage-time QB that is basically in the category of a Goff, though we haven’t seen Dak on a team anywhere near as bad as Detroit. Both of them were horrible on their later progressions and both of them were on good teams, beating up bad opponents.

You can’t claim it’s because of the ‘defense’ he loses.

Dak lives in your head. Rent free. You are obsessed to a point of concern. It's not healthy. You post nothing but Dak threads and every post you do has a mention of Dak.

I understand you are upset since your Dalton hopes got shattered and your Rush man crush sunk like a ropeless anchor in deep ocean. But Seek help for your own good. This is really not healthy

 

[khiladi]

In fact, this same pattern can be demonstrated very clearly in his last year in college. Dak didn’t beat a single ranked team outside a Missouri who was worse than them in ranking and that season he had his best statistical season, throwing for 29 TDs and only 5 INTs. Looking at the game-logs against ranked teams, it’s the same patter of garbage-time stats outside the win against Missouri, where he threw 4 TDs and they won 31-13. This was the typical game you see from Dak in Dallas when they get out to a quick lead early against a bad team and pour it on against a team that is imploding.

Against LSU, they were down 21-6 in the 4th and Dak gets a garbage time TD, with 4 minutes to go and the game ends.

Against Texas A&M, dude was getting blown out 30-10 in the 4th and he throws a TD to pad his stats and prior to this their only TD was on a 55 yard by the RV in the second.

Against Alabama it was 31-6, where Dak was 0/1 TD/INT ratio

And against Ole Miss, Ole Miss was blowing them out
31-3 to end the first half and Dak goes on his typical garbage time tear of 2 TDs throwing in the 4th quarter when down 38-13 with 13 minutes to go.

This is who Dak is…. The legend of Garbage-Time Stats

 

[kskboys]

Not if you had any clue of what you were talking about.

Well said. He wasn't.

 

[kskboys]

In Dak's rookie season when he took the team to a 13-3 record and claimed the 1 seed in the playoffs, I recall lots of folks calling him elite.

Yeah, but only by the screaming early anointers, the people who don't really understand what they are seeing.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Dak is considered a top 10 QB, so it depends what you consider elite.

Considered top 10 by some, others will scoff at that thought. Ranking a top 10 qb list this year is extremely difficult to do. Brady/Rogers/Wilson all slipping, but at the same time you have guys like Geno Smith, Jimmy G, and Hurts flying up that list. Where Dak falls I wouldnt argue much if someone ranked him anywhere from #7 to #15.

I think to be considered elite you need to be not top 10, but probably top 10%. So the top 3-4 QBs in the league would be elite, and right now that is probably Mahomes/Allen/Jackson....and I see a huge gap between those guys and the rest of the pack right now. Herbert is closing in, but not there yet.

 

[817Gill]

Man there should be topic limits for certain posters. Won’t happen since it’s your right to talk about what you want but it gets annoying to constantly see the same posters re-hashing the same topics.

We get it man you don’t like Dak. No amount of threads will make any difference.

To most normal fans, Dak is a solid to good 8-14 range QB in this league give or take a few spots. Other than 4-5 guys you need a good team and good coaching to do anything of note. Unless you’re lucky enough to land a Mahomes or Allen, the whole franchise has to operate effectively in order to succeed.

Dak isn’t good enough to overcome this organizations limitations nor is he bad enough to be considered the issue. I don’t get why that’s so hard to understand. Either keep praying for a 1% guy to fall in your lap or pray that the FO corrects its philosophical issues. But expecting anyone who’s not Brady/Mahomes/Allen to put this franchise on their back is stupid.

QB play is not the main issue nor is it close to the top of the list.

 

[Proof]

I argued that Dak was on par with and possibly better than Josh Allen. I based that on Dak's 2019 and Allen's 2020. 2020 was when Josh's hype train really took off and from a numbers perspective, those two seasons were very comparable. And then when the 2021 season started Josh first couple of games weren't that impressive and Daks were, so I felt vindicated. Boy was I wrong lol.

 

[foofighters]

As I’ve said before, there is always a constant re-writing of the narrative regarding Dak. After his putrid last half of the season last year, his biggest fans started flipping the script that they never declared him elite on this board. Without getting in particular posters on this site, among them folks who claimed he was better than Mahomes or Allen, the following article clearly establishes that people were actually challenging the general claim that Dak proved himself elite, meaning this was a common perception that needed to be addressed.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v



The numbers aren’t changing since this article has been written. Even without taking into consideration the win-loss record, Dak is horrible when it comes to TD/INT numbers against quality competition and the stakes are high. 2021 was actually a greater demonstration of this very fact that Dak is a garbage-time QB that is basically in the category of a Goff, though we haven’t seen Dak on a team anywhere near as bad as Detroit. Both of them were horrible on their later progressions and both of them were on good teams, beating up bad opponents.

You can’t claim it’s because of the ‘defense’ he loses.

Does it matter? Dak isn't the reason this team hasn't had post season success.