Was Dak Reading the Defense vs. Giants w/o Moore?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Eanwen, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:46 PM.

  1. Eanwen

    Eanwen Well-Known Member

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    In one of Voch's videos he stated that with pre motion and hard counts to get guys jumping, Dak was able to read the defense before the snap, despite whatever disguise they tried to do. I think that's noteworthy because I thought the plan was to have Moore in his ear to help him read the defense like the Rams do, but I'm pretty sure the Rams, after motioning, look to the sidelines like they do in college for the play. I don't remember seeing any of that on Sunday.

    Did anyone hear officially whether or not Moore used the headset to tell Dak what the defense was or did Dak figure them out on his own?
     
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  2. JD_KaPow

    JD_KaPow jimnabby

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    The headset is turned off 15 seconds before the play clock expires. No coach is talking the QB through things the way you describe.
     
  3. TheSkaven

    TheSkaven Last Man Standing Zone Supporter

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    This. Also, it’s really difficult for more to do from the sideline. If he was going to identify defenses, he’d have to do it from the booth upstairs.

    But give Moore the assist. Lots of film breakdowns this week from various journalists, particularly Bob Sturm, where you can see how he uses motion to make it easy for Dak.
     
  4. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    That was just fan speculation that Moore was going to do that. The team never said they would.
     
  5. Jake

    Jake Curmudgeon

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    Which is why Goff looked lost in the SB. The Patriots waited and made adjustments after the headset went off, leaving Goff on his own.
     
  6. TwentyOne

    TwentyOne Well-Known Member

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    I didnt hear about that.

    Moore gives Dak 1 read throws. And the OL gives him enough time to protect his weaknesses.

    Lets wait for some more games where Dak is under preassure. NYFG wasnt a real test for him.
     
  7. Eanwen

    Eanwen Well-Known Member

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    TBH this is why I brought it up. Dak seemed to know what the defense was on every play and who he needed to get the ball to. If he's this much better at reading defenses then his success should be reproducible. I don't mean that there will always be guys running wide open like Jarwin and Cobb were but Cooper's td and most of the throws to Gallup.
     
  8. CowboysFaninHouston

    CowboysFaninHouston CowboysFaninDC

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    :hammer:
     
  9. Bleedblue1111

    Bleedblue1111 Well-Known Member

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    True, unless you're the Pats. ;)
     
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  10. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    They were snapping the ball often with several seconds left on the clock. Perhaps that's so Moore can be involved for more of the pre-snap adjustments before the mics are turned off.
     
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  11. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    The offense chooses when to snap the ball...
     
  12. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    ”1 read throws”?

    Yeah, you don’t know football.
     
  13. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives.

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    It's easier now for Dak to read the defense given the proper tools to do so. The pre-snap shifts, motions and as stated dispersed hard counts gives a much better read than the old..."you do a curl...you do an out....you do a comeback...with little motion or shifts..Dak would try to figure the coverage and guess who might beat their man.

    Moore's scheme exposed the defense and pre-snap Dak had a better sense of the coverage and which routes would break free. It was so refreshing to actually see receivers so wide open like the Cobb, Jarwin and Witten TDs. On the other, you also can't deny that Dak is still improving. Chris Simms pointed out the new throwing motion and it's obvious Dak's footwork is better.

    Did I mention the Oline is finally back together with the return of the bearded one and the threat of #21 kept the defense from selling out on the pass.

    The stars aligned for sure. Does it mean we'll look this good every game? No, but the fact we can do it is a wake up to the rest of the league.

    What would be really cool is if next week, Zeke, Pollard and company run for 250+ yards and 4 TDs. Dak is 15-18 for 210 yards, 1 TD and 0 int. We just bludgeon the skins with an unstoppable running game.

    Sure looks like our predictability is gone.
     
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  14. QuincyCarterEra

    QuincyCarterEra Well-Known Member

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    Nope.

    We were the 8th slowest offense in the league last week. It was all Dak, despite your attempts.
     
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  15. adbutcher

    adbutcher K9NME

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    This thread is an attempt at a backhanded insult of Dak's intelligence. This thread just exposes Dak haters trying to be slick. Shameful.
     
  16. glimmerman

    glimmerman Well-Known Member

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    The pre motion and having Fredbeard back helps him. But in his 4th year he is reading them better. But that motion is what helps, the defenses show there hand. We will see defenses starting this weekend will try different things to fool us.
     
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  17. Hawkeye0202

    Hawkeye0202 Well-Known Member

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    Thought I read somewhere from both Kitna and Witten said Dak were doing a lot this himself during training camp.
     
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  18. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    An OC may be in his ear early in the play telling him what to look for, but ultimately a QB has to make an instant decision. Goff too. Once he sees a defense move on motion or a hard count he doesn’t have time for the OC to interpret it for him.
     
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  19. Bobhaze

    Bobhaze Well-Known Member

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    You cannot be even an average NFL QB and not be able to fundamentally read defenses. Obviously, some are better at it than others. There’s no such thing as an NFL QB who has any level of success who cannot read basic coverages.

    Sure they get help from the sideline but as has been pointed out on this thread earlier, the helmet/headset is turned off when the QB breaks the huddle. Dak is very capable at reading what defenses are trying to do. Many QBs throw pics when they don’t recognize coverages or blitz packages. Dak’s low turnover numbers reflect that he’s pretty good at reading defenses.
     
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  20. bayeslife

    bayeslife 187beatdown

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    Dak has been reading defenses from day 1, but Moore is making it much easier to do.
     

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