Was Favre intimidated last night?

[mr.jameswoods]

It's obvious Favre was injured on that play. We know he is not faking any injury. At the same time, I do question whether Favre chose to sit out the remainder of the game. Favre has a reputation for playing through pain. But last night's game reminded me of when Scottie Pippen sat out during one of the playoff games against the Detroit Pistons after Dennis Rodman slammed him.

I know some will say Pippen is a wimp and Favre is brave. That's too easy. I think all individuals, even brave ones, are intimidated by certain things while being brave about other issues. I think Favre is a brave and tough QB however, I think he was mentally rattled last night. You could just see it in his face. He just wasn't confident from the outset of the game. Favre lacked that swagger even at the start. And then we kept getting hit and he threw those 2 interceptions, it didn't suprise me at all that Favre sat out the game.

Of course, if Favre misses the next 1-2 games, that will certainly prove my skepticism wrong. But I have an eery feeling that Favre will be 100% for the next game. Also the details surrounding his injury is vague. His coach said he had a forearm bruise. Last night they were saying he had ulnar nerve damage. Sure, the ulnar nerve can be damaged through trauma to the medial side of the elbow but on the replay, the elbow didn't look damaged. It looked like a direct blow the ventral side of the forearm so it seemed like contusion as opposed to damage to the epicondylar region of the elbow where the nerves would be exposed.

I really hope that Favre is the starter if we play them again in Dallas because that's really in Dallas' favor because it seems apparent that we got in his head.

 

[smarta5150]

It's obvious Favre was injured on that play. We know he is not faking any injury. At the same time, I do question whether Favre chose to sit out the remainder of the game. Favre has a reputation for playing through pain. But last night's game reminded me of when Scottie Pippen sat out during one of the playoff games against the Detroit Pistons after Dennis Rodman slammed him.

I know some will say Pippen is a wimp and Favre is brave. That's too easy. I think all individuals, even brave ones, are intimidated by certain things while being brave about other issues. I think Favre is a brave and tough QB however, I think he was mentally rattled last night. You could just see it in his face. He just wasn't confident from the outset of the game. Favre lacked that swagger even at the start. And then we kept getting hit and he threw those 2 interceptions, it didn't suprise me at all that Favre sat out the game.

Of course, if Favre misses the next 1-2 games, that will certainly prove my skepticism wrong. But I have an eery feeling that Favre will be 100% for the next game. Also the details surrounding his injury is vague. His coach said he had a forearm bruise. Last night they were saying he had ulnar nerve damage. Sure, the ulnar nerve can be damaged through trauma to the medial side of the elbow but on the replay, the elbow didn't look damaged. It looked like a direct blow the ventral side of the forearm so it seemed like contusion as opposed to damage to the epicondylar region of the elbow where the nerves would be exposed.

lol no he was not intimidated.

The guys has been an absolute warrior since he came into he league.

He's played on bigger stages before.

So no.

 

[Sarge]

Favereror has already said he fully expects to play next week and not miss any time. He is a true professional and an all-time great player. I have a hard time thinking he was intimidated.

Having said that, he might be intimidated heading into the next time we play them

 

[chinch]

It's obvious Favre was injured on that play. We know he is not faking any injury. At the same time, I do question whether Favre chose to sit out the remainder of the game. Favre has a reputation for playing through pain.

i think this is a new low accusing Favre of "choosing to sitting out" vs the 'boys.

gimme a break

obviously you are uninformed on nerve injuries such as what he encountered where his HAND WAS NUMB, unable to grip the ball and clearly in pain (he barely moved his forearm after that play both walkign off and in the many, many, many shots of him courtesy of the "nfl network dedicated favre cam".

 

[AbeBeta]

Favre is the only QB I've ever seen pick up a roughing call.

He's not intimidated by anyone.

 

[WarC]

I bet he was intimidated a little bit, coming into that game. Considering he was 0-8 coming into TS. Or at least he was probably a little nervous.

I don't think for a second that it kept him from coming back though, if he was physically capable of doing so he would have, IMO. Bravery is not without fear, or intimidation. The brave are intimidated just the same, but they march on and do what needs to be done anyway. Favre is a guy like that. Rattled occasionally but never felled.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The guy's started 269 games in a row, and people think he was ducking us... Unreal. Especially based on a TV diagnosis of his injury.

 

[03EBZ06]

But I have an eery feeling that Favre will be 100% for the next game.

Favre said has also had separated shoulder and if that is true, there is noway he'll be 100% for the next week or rest of the season.

As for last night, I don't think he was intimidated, just pressed and had a bad game. Everybody have bad games.

 

[Sarge]

Everybody have bad games.

Emmitt..........is that you?

 

[Nors]

We were beating him up good. We rang his bell with a few hits before Nate Jones nailed him with the kill shot...

He was not able to play or he'd have been out there.

 

[Big Dakota]

I think Collisworth was right. They had a bad gameplan and Favre was forcing it deep way too much. When Rogers came in they got back to the dink and dunk.

 

[03EBZ06]

Emmitt..........is that you?

"At end of the day..."

 

[Mavs Man]

I wonder if the INTs were due to a specific gameplan of attacking our "susceptible" secondary deep or Favre just trying to make a play. As Adam broke down in another thread, he took a lot of shots downfield.

 

[Future]

I dont think he was intimidated, but he was playing like he had something to prove. With all he's done in his career, this game means very little in the grand scheme of things.

But for some reason he kept trying to force the big play and be the hero, he did not have to do that.

 

[Big Dakota]

I dont think he was intimidated, but he was playing like he had something to prove. With all he's done in his career, this game means very little in the grand scheme of things.

But for some reason he kept trying to force the big play and be the hero, he did not have to do that.

One of my best bud's and a 45 year fan said the same thing. He looked like he wanted to show the world against Romo and was just forcing it.

 

[jackrussell]

It's obvious Favre was injured on that play. We know he is not faking any injury. At the same time, I do question whether Favre chose to sit out the remainder of the game. Favre has a reputation for playing through pain. But last night's game reminded me of when Scottie Pippen sat out during one of the playoff games against the Detroit Pistons after Dennis Rodman slammed him.

I know some will say Pippen is a wimp and Favre is brave. That's too easy. I think all individuals, even brave ones, are intimidated by certain things while being brave about other issues. I think Favre is a brave and tough QB however, I think he was mentally rattled last night. You could just see it in his face. He just wasn't confident from the outset of the game. Favre lacked that swagger even at the start. And then we kept getting hit and he threw those 2 interceptions, it didn't suprise me at all that Favre sat out the game.

Of course, if Favre misses the next 1-2 games, that will certainly prove my skepticism wrong. But I have an eery feeling that Favre will be 100% for the next game. Also the details surrounding his injury is vague. His coach said he had a forearm bruise. Last night they were saying he had ulnar nerve damage. Sure, the ulnar nerve can be damaged through trauma to the medial side of the elbow but on the replay, the elbow didn't look damaged. It looked like a direct blow the ventral side of the forearm so it seemed like contusion as opposed to damage to the epicondylar region of the elbow where the nerves would be exposed.

I really hope that Favre is the starter if we play them again in Dallas because that's really in Dallas' favor because it seems apparent that we got in his head.

Sigh.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

No, he wasn't intimidated but he was definitely hit more than all season so he might have been throwing a touch faster than he should have. That is not scared, that is just overreacting to what is happening.

 

[Nors]

rewatching the hit,

Nate Jones may have not only knocked out Favre's throwing elbow but also dislocated his other shoulder on that heinous hit.

 

[smarta5150]

rewatching the hit,

Nate Jones may have not only knocked out Favre's throwing elbow but also dislocated his other shoulder on that heinous hit.

He did lol

Favre has a separated left shoulder.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I still think he was mentally rattled. I think our fans and the situation sorta of got into his head. I think if that was a playoff game, he would have forced himself to play but considering it was a regular season game, he might have decided to sit it out. Again, this is a big monkey on Favre's back and he hasn't met this challenge. I know he has a reputation for being a tough but even tough guys have their weaknesses or fears.

In regards to a Favre being diagnosed with a nerve injury, his gripping his arm or saying he can't grip it is subjective. In medicine, we write SOAP notes, the "S" stands for subjective. That is based on what the patient tells you. When you do a consult, a patient can say they have pain in a particular area but that is not "objective" data (the "O"). You take that into consideration but you don't make a diagnosis exclusively on this subjective data. Objective data involves data that can measured or observed by a third party such as lab results and imaging(X-rays, MRI's and CT scans. You are right, it is ridiculous to make a diagnosis based on a television replay. However, it's also ridiculous to say he has nerver damage based entirely on what the patient (Favre) tells you. No physician bases their entire diagnosis upon what a patient tells them or presents to them either. Objective data can contradict the subjective information given by patients. For example, Favre wasn't even aware he had separated his left shoulder despite the imaging showing otherwise. Another example is that patients with cholelithiasis (gallstones) don't present with the usual symptoms of RUQ pain and pain after eating. In fact some present with RLQ pain which is typically indicative of an appendicitis. I'm sure Favre may have difficulty gripping the ball but I wonder to what degree could he grip the ball. I would like to know what the imaging showed.