Was the Tuna a fraud

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Coast2Coast27;3127447 said:
No Parcells no Romo no austin. That's 100 percent fact. We'd be freaking awful. Parcell's turns around everyteam he goes too, we needed the Jersey guy in texas to turn things around .

Wrong. Romo came here because of Sean Payton. He considered two teams and both had ties to his alma mater. Parcells was )( that close to cutting Romo and admitted as much. That's 100% fact, unlike your 50% incorrect hyperbole.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3127466 said:
Wrong. Romo came here because of Sean Payton. He considered two teams and both had ties to his alma mater. Parcells was )( that close to cutting Romo and admitted as much. That's 100% fact, unlike your 50% incorrect hyperbole.

Parcels brought Payton here, so Parcels is responsible for Romo, and fortunately listened to Payton when it counted.
 
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No, Parcells should be given his proper due, the guy made Dallas respectable once again, now they need to win in December/January hush some of the critics.
 

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The drafts while Parcells was here weren't all Parcells. Jerry is responsible for a lot of them. Newman, Ware, Gurode, and Ratliff were all Jerry picks.

Bill brought us the perennial pro bowlers known as Justin Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Al Johnson, and Julius Jones.

Yeah, Bill is responsible for laying a sort of foundation around here. He turned the mentality around somewhat and did things the 'right' way. Well, he eliminated the stupidity.
 

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Since you bring it up how come Chris Johnson and Ray Rice lead the league in yards from scrimmage and Felix Jones and Tashard Choice aren't. Do we make good palyers ordinary or just draft ordinary players.
 

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Hostile;3127448 said:
I am one of Parcells biggest critics here. No, he was not a fraud. He is a great football coach whose heart was not in doing his job. I don't know if it was the death of his brother. I don't know if he didn't have enough power here. I don't know if he didn't like Dallas.

I do know the job he did wasn't up to my expectations and standards and the way he left gnaws at me.

But a fraud? No, even though I am not a fan of his, he did a good job assembling talent here. I didn't agree with every move, but overall, he deserves credit.

Well Put. :starspin

Never liked him personally, got dragged down to his last super bowl appearance with a bunch of my Pats friends and he clearly sold that team out before he even arrived at the Superdome. But Bill unquestionably righted the ship here in Dallas.
 

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Of course the "Tuna" wasn't a fraud, he won more playoff games (0), drafted better players (Romo), turned this franchise around from being the Raiders east (by not signing Owens, and preventing that circus, as well as many others), kept JJ from interfering with coaches and players, and cured the December blues (8-13) plus he gave waaaaaaaaay better press conferences...

:rolleyes:

Who cares anyway, this team sucks, the coach breeds failure, the players are weak and have no right to say they want to win, or go to the superbowl, the fans turn on the players like finches on their young, the offense can't move the ball or score, the team folds in big games, Barber like Jones before him needs to be replaced by his backup(s), Romo can't win in December, blah, blah, blah, blah... It's time to face facts, some of you need to find new teams to support ;).

Cheers!
 

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RCowboyFan;3127434 said:
Tuna was a fraud with Cowboys. He does deserve some credit to making Cowboys better after he came here. But Campo stood no chance anyway, with the roster and salary cap hell Cowboys were in at that time.

I am biggest or used to be biggest Tuna fan around. But he was a big dissappointment and lived off his reputation and his witty press conferences. Fans get nostalgic, but Tuna was not good with cowboys and mostly was a miserable human being when he was with Cowboys. He wasn't the guy who was with Giants/NE/Jets.[/QUOTE]

He had to work with Jerry Jones, possibly the worst GM or top two in the NFL today. Imagine going to work every day with a guy who THINKS he knows more than you and has an ego the size of Texas.

Unbelievable, we are down to blaming Parcells for this inept coaching debacle.
Phillips has never won a freaking thing in all his years. It isn't going to change, he doesn't know how to change it.
 

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RS12;3127476 said:
Parcels brought Payton here, so Parcels is responsible for Romo, and fortunately listened to Payton when it counted.

Jerry brought in Parcells. Jerry's parents gave birth to Jerry, Jerry's grandparents gave birth to Jerry's parents and somewhere down the line Jerry's ancestors migrated to America.

B.S. reasoning works both ways.
 

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CowboyMike;3127490 said:
The drafts while Parcells was here weren't all Parcells. Jerry is responsible for a lot of them. Newman, Ware, Gurode, and Ratliff were all Jerry picks.

Bill brought us the perennial pro bowlers known as Justin Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Al Johnson, and Julius Jones.

Yeah, Bill is responsible for laying a sort of foundation around here. He turned the mentality around somewhat and did things the 'right' way. Well, he eliminated the stupidity.

Don't forget Bobby Carpenter. 1st rounder.
 

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I don't think he was a fraud but people act like he was a big difference maker and the stuff that goes on now didn't go on with him when he was here which is incorrect.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3127582 said:
Jerry brought in Parcells. Jerry's parents gave birth to Jerry, Jerry's grandparents gave birth to Jerry's parents and somewhere down the line Jerry's ancestors migrated to America.

B.S. reasoning works both ways.

And none of them know a thing about the game. :D
 

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The Tuna was no fraud. To see evidence of this, you need only compare the Cowboys prior to his arrival with the Cowboys after his arrival.

In my opinion, any coach would have difficulty excelling in the Cowboys organization.
 

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mldardy;3127588 said:
I don't think he was a fraud but people act like he was a big difference maker and the stuff that goes on now didn't go on with him when he was here which is incorrect.

Rome wasn't built in a day either. Parcells created one hell of a turn around in Dallas, rather quickly. Phillips reaped the benefits for a little while any way.
Now this is truly a Phillips coached team.
 

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Parcells gave some structure to the organization and some leadership when it was needed at a time it was needed.

But IMHO he wasnt a great head coach with us.....was stubborn and played the game not to lose instead of trying to win.

He was lobbying for a job in the NY Giants organization while being employed by the Cowboys.....

He made some nice draft picks but also missed on some.....

I dont miss him and wish him luck in Miami.......
 

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wileedog;3127715 said:
Or Jay Ratliff, 7th rounder.

Let it go.

Ratliff was a good pick.

Can't let it go, though, man...Carpenter is horrible and the coaching staff still hasn't got around to doing what needs to be done - tell Jerry Jones to let him walk.
 

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casmith07;3127722 said:
Ratliff was a good pick.

Can't let it go, though, man...Carpenter is horrible and the coaching staff still hasn't got around to doing what needs to be done - tell Jerry Jones to let him walk.

I'll be honest, I was on board with the pick, even happy about it. Tons of people were. Most of the draft experts thought it was a natural fit.

I don't have as much a problem with a 'conventional' pick that just doesn't pan out than I do a reach that doesn't. Like Jerry picking Quincy in the 2nd.

Busts happen. Is what it is. But I think this thread has been done to death long before.
 

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wileedog;3127732 said:
I'll be honest, I was on board with the pick, even happy about it. Tons of people were. Most of the draft experts thought it was a natural fit.

I don't have as much a problem with a 'conventional' pick that just doesn't pan out than I do a reach that doesn't. Like Jerry picking Quincy in the 2nd.

Busts happen. Is what it is. But I think this thread has been done to death long before.

The sad part .....Carter was more productive then Barbie will ever be as a Dallas Cowboy........and thats all that matters when drafting.....who cares what the draft guru's or mediots think it was a natural fit.....most of them thought so because Big Bill coached his Dad..... :)
 
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