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Right the comment about Mack was mostly about how All-Pros aren't necessarily everything.I think with Alex Mack him being All Decade means he was the best center of that decade so that trumps his lack of All Pro appearances. I honestly don't remember the consensus on who was better between Pouncey and Fredericks. Both were highy regarded.
He had the talent but not the longevity. He was always the second or third best center in the league. Maukice Pouncey and Jason Kelce are the only two centers that I would say were better during his playing days, and those centers took a number of those AP #1's. That's damn good company to be in. Give him another 8 years and a few more AP's and I believe he'd be in. Best center we ever had.I'd say no. He had 1 All Pro and two second team All Pro's with his last one being in 2015. He retired in 2019....damn good center but seems like he didn't have enough All Pros. Its tough to make HOF as a lineman.
He'll be in before Jimmy.Unfortunately no. Didn't play long enough. Great center. The question is, will Jerry put him into the ROH?
Agreed. Even if he had a few more good seasons he would of probably been viewed more in the Jeff Saturday/Olin Kreutz tier (aka the hall of very good for centers) vs being viewed in the Jason Kelce/Kevin Mawae tier of hallI'd say no. He had 1 All Pro and two second team All Pro's with his last one being in 2015. He retired in 2019....damn good center but seems like he didn't have enough All Pros. Its tough to make HOF as a lineman.
50-50Had he not retired?
2014-2016 Fredbeard was AP1 or AP2. That's some serious consistency. Likely he was already taking a downward turn in 2017.Frederick's resume lacks that consistency, but only because his illness sidelined him for before the start of his 6th season. The years that he did turn in were on par with what Tyron Smith has done, and it's widely considered that Tyron will be in the HOF.
He and Dermonti Dawson reshaped how the center position was looked at. Prior to these two it was generally big slow guys that never pulled or got to the second level.Stepnoski approves this statement!
I meant consistency AND longevity.2014-2016 Fredbeard was AP1 or AP2. That's some serious consistency. Likely he was already taking a downward turn in 2017.
Yeah, they gotta work on getting him in firstStepnoski approves this statement!
That’s what she said……Yeah, they gotta work on getting him in first