Washington vs Mayer vs Kincaid

[fivetwos]

Last thing this team needs is another TE who must start and can’t run block at all.

No Kincaid please. Pretty please.

Don’t tell me he is Kelce. Even Kelce wasn’t Kelce when he was drafted. Best chance there is at a Kelce is someone no one is talking about.

Just take a damn mean offensive lineman and everyone can be happy.

 

[Proof]

we get it you love Washington
Bottom line is he IS a project and you do not take projects in the first rd. That was why I was leery of Smith last season; he did better than I thought he would but still not good enough. Needs to improve seriously to be a stud LT

tyler didn’t do well enough?

 

[beware_d-ware]

Really wish we had some testing numbers on Kincaid for this debate.

There's been how many posts beating the drum for the importance of TE athleticism, and how well it translates. And they're usually set up against Meyer. He put up silly numbers at ND, but it won't translate because he runs 4.7, etc...

But Kincaid's kind of in that same boat. The best NFL TEs are height/weight/speed studs, and we know that Kincaid is short and light (at 6'3", lol. I wish I could be that short). So that speed data has to do some heavy lifting.

If he can run a 4.60, then I think he's TE1 easy. If he runs a 4.70, then I don't know how you put him in a different bucket than Mayer.

 

[CherBoyWade]

Really wish we had some testing numbers on Kincaid for this debate.

There's been how many posts beating the drum for the importance of TE athleticism, and how well it translates. And they're usually set up against Meyer. He put up silly numbers at ND, but it won't translate because he runs 4.7, etc...

But Kincaid's kind of in that same boat. The best NFL TEs are height/weight/speed studs, and we know that Kincaid is short and light (at 6'3", lol. I wish I could be that short). So that speed data has to do some heavy lifting.

If he can run a 4.60, then I think he's TE1 easy. If he runs a 4.70, then I don't know how you put him in a different bucket than Mayer.

Well Mayer ran a 4.7 so I’d say if that’s what Kinkaid ran then Mayer is the no brainer #1. I kinda think Kinkaid has to be at least in that 4.6 range for it to even be a discussion really

 

[DanA]

Christianson never had Mahomes as a quarterback in a passing era.

Kelce didn't have Mahomes his first four seasons either. Mahomes is a beast but Kelce would be successful anywhere

 

[JD_KaPow]

Ferguson almost hit your floor as a backup.

No, he didn't. Not even 70% of the way in yards (76% of the way in receptions).

In each of the last three seasons, between 14 and 17 TEs have caught 50 passes. You're arguing that Washington's *floor* as a receiver is top-half-of-the-league production. This from a guy who hasn't sniffed those numbers in college.

I don't think you understand what a floor is.

 

[cnuball21]

Really wish we had some testing numbers on Kincaid for this debate.

There's been how many posts beating the drum for the importance of TE athleticism, and how well it translates. And they're usually set up against Meyer. He put up silly numbers at ND, but it won't translate because he runs 4.7, etc...

But Kincaid's kind of in that same boat. The best NFL TEs are height/weight/speed studs, and we know that Kincaid is short and light (at 6'3", lol. I wish I could be that short). So that speed data has to do some heavy lifting.

If he can run a 4.60, then I think he's TE1 easy. If he runs a 4.70, then I don't know how you put him in a different bucket than Mayer.

Agree.

I don't like a TE in the 1st but if Kincaid posted a 4.55 then it makes it easier to digest.

 

[cnuball21]

No, he didn't. Not even 70% of the way in yards (76% of the way in receptions).

In each of the last three seasons, between 14 and 17 TEs have caught 50 passes. You're arguing that Washington's *floor* as a receiver is top-half-of-the-league production. This from a guy who hasn't sniffed those numbers in college.

I don't think you understand what a floor is.

The person said he thought Washington's floor was half of what I said...so that's 25 catches and about 250 yards. Fergy had 19 / 174 as a rotational player.

Yes, I think Washington's floor is in that ballpark. Top half of the league production isn't hard to hit for a TE. After the top 5 there's a pretty big drop off to the Dalton Schultz's of the world. Washing is bigger, stronger, faster with a much bigger catch radius and draft pedigree than Schultz had.

So yes I understand what a floor is.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'll preface this by saying I DON"T want us to draft a TE in the 1st...but if we do the more I watch these guys the more I'd rather just roll the dice on Washington.

If we're going to draft a low value position in the 1st give me kid that has all pro upside if everything clicks.

Even if Wash doesn't reach his full potential I still see his floor as one of the best blocking TEs in football, a redzone nightmare and an average pass catching TE that can give you 50+ grabs and 500+ yards a year. I'd take that risk over the 2 also knowing QBs LOVE massive targets against zone (84 inch wingspan) and he'll likely be a better red zone threat than the other 2.

He doesnt have all pro upside. Mayers does. Washington is more likely to be a bust. Too big to be playing the position. An injury waiting to happen.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, I'm not sure what to think of it but it's obvious he cannot be dismissed as a pass catcher. I still think I'm Kincaid, Meyer, Washington but he's got a high ceiling

Makes zero sense drafting a TE in the first round that sucks at blocking. Thats Kincaid. Stephen already said they woudnt take a TE like that in the first.

 

[cnuball21]

He doesnt have all pro upside. Mayers does. Washington is more likely to be a bust. Too big to be playing the position. An injury waiting to happen.

Based on the athletic profiles of the top TEs in football Mayer does not.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Based on the athletic profiles of the top TEs in football Mayer does not.

Sure, whatever you say.

 

[JD_KaPow]

The person said he thought Washington's floor was half of what I said...so that's 25 catches and about 250 yards. Fergy had 19 / 174 as a rotational player.

Yes, I think Washington's floor is in that ballpark. Top half of the league production isn't hard to hit for a TE. After the top 5 there's a pretty big drop off to the Dalton Schultz's of the world. Washing is bigger, stronger, faster with a much bigger catch radius and draft pedigree than Schultz had.

So yes I understand what a floor is.

Yes, I know what he said, and 19/174 is precisely what I said it is, less than 70% of the way to 250 in yards and 76% of the way to 25 in catches. What's your point?

And no, you don't understand what a floor is if you think "top half of the league production isn't hard to hit for a TE." Top-half-of-the-league production is hard to hit for any position, that's why only half the top starters in the league actually reach it! I mean, this stuff is pretty basic. It's also pretty simple to understand that if a guy played three years in college and only once made it even halfway to the numbers you propose, that those numbers do not represent his NFL floor.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Give me Kincaid > Musgrave > Mayer > Laporta

 

[T-RO]

History might give us a good comp for Darnell Washington: Martellus Bennett

Physical
Washington: 6'7" 269 lb... 4.64 40 time
Bennett: 6'6" 259 lb... 4.68 40 time

College Production
Martellus was much more productive as college receiver
Washington: 3 years, 45 catches, 774 yards, 3 TD
Bennett: 3 years, 105 catches, 1,246 yard, 10 TD

Martellus was a difficult head case everywhere he went, but he had a long, solid career. Trashing teammates and coaches constantly as he bounced from team to team. Sadly his best years weren't in Dallas, as he was behind Jason Witten. Bennett went on to enjoy 4 year of 600+ yards as a receiver. Made one pro bowl.

Again, gotta say...Bennett did more to prove himself as a receiver in college

 

[T-RO]

I wish he tested because I just didn’t see anything in his play that made me say 4.5 speed tight end or Kelse.

I too wish he tested. Injured so he couldn't. And no he doesn't run 4.5. Neither does Kelce.

Kincaid has a good shot to be a poor man's Kelce.

 

[cnuball21]

Yes, I know what he said, and 19/174 is precisely what I said it is, less than 70% of the way to 250 in yards and 76% of the way to 25 in catches. What's your point?

And no, you don't understand what a floor is if you think "top half of the league production isn't hard to hit for a TE." Top-half-of-the-league production is hard to hit for any position, that's why only half the top starters in the league actually reach it! I mean, this stuff is pretty basic. It's also pretty simple to understand that if a guy played three years in college and only once made it even halfway to the numbers you propose, that those numbers do not represent his NFL floor.

That he was a backup and put up those numbers…

And again, there is a large difference between the 1st tier of TEs and the 2nd tier that rounds out the top half of the league.

 

[plasticman]

There is now a rumor that Darnell Washington has been flunked medically by some teams and taken off their boards.

https://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/nflhotpress/article/2023-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Monday

"Late in the draft process, teams get their medical reports, and if players get flunked medically, they can be dropped off draft boards. One high-profile prospect who some teams have flunked medically is Georgia tight end Darnell Washington. Along with the medical, some team sources said there are some minor character concerns. If Washington slides on the second day of the 2023 NFL Draft, the medical and the character will be the reasons why."

 

[JohnsKey19]