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Jason did not fail on defense. When you lose two key components from the get-go (Spencer and Ratliff) then promptly lose rotational-depth in Ben Bass and Tyrone Crawford, then this is what you get. We got decimated with injuries on that side of the ball.

jnday's not going to give a clear take on what happened last season, no matter how it's explained. And while losing both starters and rotational players in the DL was killer, if we're being honest, Jason really has done a poor job managing the plan for his defense while he's been here. He false-started on Rob Ryan, changed schemes after a year and a half on the job, and then the Monte Kiffin thing last season was just weird.

Now, he's rebuilt the secondary fairly effectively. And you're 100% right that the DL problems absolutely knee-capped the plan on defense last season. I really like the coach, but he's made his share of mistakes since he took over. The game day stuff is largely overblown, but his strength is in terms or organization and process and stability, and it's been fits-and-starts on the defensive side of the ball so far. No getting around it. We need to settle down and we need to be making decisions right now that we expect to live with for the next 4-5 years.
 

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Do you really think "Jason" is "managing the plan for the defense" or making decisions over there? Really?
 

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Do you really think "Jason" is "managing the plan for the defense" or making decisions over there? Really?

Me? Yes. You don't? I believe we run largely the way everybody in the organization says we run. We build a strategic consensus, and then Jason Garrett's responsible for executing that tactically. With Jerry Jones occasionally putting his foot down on the strategy when he feels the impulse to do so and there's not a clear consensus.

I see no reason to believe otherwise based on what the team does. And I'm not one to indulge too much in dysfunctional fantasies in order to make things that are very mediocre appear to be much worse than they actually are.
 

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Me? Yes. You don't? I believe we run largely the way everybody in the organization says we run. We build a strategic consensus, and then Jason Garrett's responsible for executing that tactically. With Jerry Jones occasionally putting his foot down on the strategy when he feels the impulse to do so and there's not a clear consensus.

I see no reason to believe otherwise based on what the team does. And I'm not one to indulge too much in dysfunctional fantasies in order to make things that are very mediocre appear to be much worse than they actually are.

So you are saying that you believe that Jason's plan was to have his 3rd DC this year? Also part of the master plan to be on his 3rd OC/Play caller also with in 3 years ?
 

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So you are saying that you believe that Jason's plan was to have his 3rd DC this year? Also part of the master plan to be on his 3rd OC/Play caller also with in 3 years ?

No. Neither of those.
 

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Me? Yes. You don't? I believe we run largely the way everybody in the organization says we run. We build a strategic consensus, and then Jason Garrett's responsible for executing that tactically. With Jerry Jones occasionally putting his foot down on the strategy when he feels the impulse to do so and there's not a clear consensus.

I see no reason to believe otherwise based on what the team does. And I'm not one to indulge too much in dysfunctional fantasies in order to make things that are very mediocre appear to be much worse than they actually are.

So Jerry coming out saying he wants Garrett to be involved with the defense this year means nothing to you then? And do you believe it was Garrett's decision to hire Rob? fire Rob? then to hire Kiffin and switch schemes? then to reassign Kiffin and promote Marinelli?

LOL at Jerry "occasionally putting his foot down."
 

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Do you really think "Jason" is "managing the plan for the defense" or making decisions over there? Really?

Garrett had a list of DCs he wanted but failed to talk them into taking the job. Rob Ryan was an emergency choice as best available.
Jerry adds challenge to any coach in getting his guys to be sure but Garrett got Kiffin in at his own behest.
It was part of giving Garrett what he wanted.

I like Garrett but he's been given plenty of chances to succeed.
He's had the aggressive cap moves, staff moves galore, his process has been allowed to flourish for a few seasons.

Garrett will have a monster challenge next year and likely he will fail because 2014 is the year he will very likely have the least overall talent.
Garrett will probably be better for someone else down the road as he grows but this was definitely a learning experience as it was for Jimmy when he took over and lost all those games the first year.
 

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Jerry adds challenge to any coach in getting his guys to be sure but Garrett got Kiffin in at his own behest.
It was part of giving Garrett what he wanted.
I don't believe that for a second. It's well documented that Lacewell was involved in lobbying Jones for Kiffin to be hired. Garrett may have "been on board," but it wasn't his idea.

And I'm not one to take up for Garrett at all.
 

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So Jerry coming out saying he wants Garrett to be involved with the defense this year means nothing to you then? And do you believe it was Garrett's decision to hire Rob? fire Rob? then to hire Kiffin and switch schemes? then to reassign Kiffin and promote Marinelli?

LOL at Jerry "occasionally putting his foot down."

We're all just supposing here, but just for fun, I think Garrett probably wants control of the offense when it comes to calling the plays, and it's Jerry that wanted him freed up from that responsibility. I think Rob Ryan was 100% Garrett's idea. I don't think Jerry liked him, personally. At whatever point that became an issue (I imagine it was after he signed Carr to a big deal and the defense then sustained injuries and didn't deliver, but I think Jerry probably just didn't like Rob's sloppy public demeanor), either Jerry put his foot down that he wanted a DC change, or he made it clear how he felt and JG realized it was going to end up being dysfunctional to keep him. I think Garrett did like Rob, though, and it might explain the Saints hiring him afterward, since the two organizations are relatively close and would definitely share their experiences with a DC who had been let go.

I think Kiffin was a weird hire, as I said, but I'd guess that that was a combination of Jerry and Lacewell's old boys' network liking the guy and Garrett signing off on the change once Rob was gone because of his history with him at Tampa Bay. The Marinelli promotion was also weird, because Kiffin and Marinelli were a matched set. This makes it seem likely to me that this was either planned in advance, or agreed upon by the parties when Lovie's interest in Rod was reported.

I think we've dithered much more than we should have under Garrett. I think much of the dithering was probably Jones-related. I think, generally, the coach gets his way in terms of what we do tactically and who we add to the team. I think Frederick was an obvious exception to that rule because I think Jerry Jones was committed to getting an interior blocker for Tony Romo and might even have promised to do so if at all possible in the contract negotiations that offseason.

All of this, is, of course, completely pulled out of nowhere. If any of it's accurate, it shows a fairly dysfunctional picture. I do think it's Garrett's influence on the draft process that has juggled around some of our resources and improved both college and pro scouting recently. I think we're managing the cap smarter overall right now, and I don't think that's a natural Jones impulse. I think Jason still loses more fights than he wins with Jerry, and is constantly managing upward, and he's not successful enough at that. But I also think that's going to be the case with any head coach we have. Literally. But it's the fact that I think Jason as the right temperament for doing so successfully over the long haul that I'm willing to overlook the game management snafus and some of the mistakes he's made. It's also why I think Jerry's happier with his current arrangement than most fans want to believe. I think we massively overestimate how much 'fan disapproval' means to Jerry Jones. As long as the Cowboys are relevant, it means literally nothing. I think he wants to win it his way, and he's got a guy he thinks he can do it with in place, and I'll be surprised if he doesn't double down on Garrett even with a relatively bad season (assuming we don't absolutely tank).
 

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So the funny thing about rebuilding is that for several years, we've heard in the media, the Cowboys can't rebuild, they have to fill the stadium, etc. The funny thing about that is that if they had started a rational rebuilding when they could have lost out a few years back, they might be coming out of it. Instead, they didn't go for it, didn't trade veterans, etc. And in the end they got nowhere. And now they face the possibility of losing interest as they rebuild.
 
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