We have big money invested everywhere on this team except...

[Deep_Freeze]

But then the question becomes why?

Maybe there has not been great talent at the places we were drafting.

Maybe there just was not great talent in the drafts.

Maybe there were greater needs than WR


you guys forget, starting from 2003 we had huge holes all over the roster, but we had galloway, and Glenn. Then we had Key and Glenn, and while they may not have been top notch, they were serviceable for what we wanted to do. Our splash into the WR began when we signed TO, then turned around and drafted Stanback.

We've just had too many holes over the years to get to WR, espically since we've had vetrans coming in and doing a good enough job.

I can agree with that one, but as much as Jerry likes to move around in the draft, it could have been addressed. To say we had greater needs or no talent in the drafts are just excuses, truth is we haven't even tried with a draft pick.

Now I'm of the belief that WR is actually one position where finding good proven vets is a good way to go, cause of the bust rate, but sometimes you can take that theory to the extreme especially if you totally neglect the postion.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Based on average contract value per year, Terrell Owens is the sixth highest-paid wide receiver in the league. Terry Glenn is 21st. Patrick Crayton is 41st.

I'd say we have some big money invested at wide receiver.

Game set and match.

 

[dargonking999]

I can agree with that one, but as much as Jerry likes to move around in the draft, it could have been addressed. To say we had greater needs or no talent in the drafts are just excuses, truth is we haven't even tried with a draft pick.

Now I'm of the belief that WR is actually one position where finding good proven vets is a good way to go, cause of the bust rate, but sometimes you can take that theory to the extreme especially if you totally neglect the postion.

Yes but again when you're talking abuot 2003-2007 our major issues were not at WR, when just had too many holes, to move around too much in the draft to get those high valued WR's. Not to mention of course the bust rate.

Like i said before there are to many circumstances to take in, in wondering why we haven't invested draft picks into WR. You just can't keep pouring draft picks into a position until you hit (See the Lions) and you can just draft at a position because you haven't done it in awile.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Yes but again when you're talking abuot 2003-2007 our major issues were not at WR, when just had too many holes, to move around too much in the draft to get those high valued WR's. Not to mention of course the bust rate.

Like i said before there are to many circumstances to take in, in wondering why we haven't invested draft picks into WR. You just can't keep pouring draft picks into a position until you hit (See the Lions) and you can just draft at a position because you haven't done it in awile.

Well, the way I see it, we could have but we didn't get it done. Hopefully we won't have to pay for it in the future.

 

[dargonking999]

Well, the way I see it, we could have but we didn't get it done. Hopefully we won't have to pay for it in the future.

When? Thats what i want to know. Looking at our last drafts from 2003-2007, who would you have drafted where we were, instead of the pick that we got.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

What about T.O.? That is serious dough.

 

[mbanx]

Honestly how much would Chris Henry cost financially? I can not imagine much at all. It seems like the only beating we will take is in the media which they like to do any way. The only worry I would have with this guy who has no leverage, is if he does screw up (which there is a very high chance he will, I am not saying I like the guy or anything) isn't there now a rule in place where the team can be penalized as well. I am also not saying he needs to start over Hurd, Austin or Stanback. Let him come to camp see what he has and then cut our losses if there is nothing there.

 

[cowboys2233]

Wide Receiver. Tell me what you think Cowboy nation.

I think the Cowboys have been wise -- IMO, WR is the single hardest position to get a handle on in the draft, and even the most astute teams have had recent failures when they try.

It would be nice to find a really good one in the draft, but the fortunes of the Detroit Lions should tell you something. Bust after bust after bust. And then a guy like Mike Furrey becomes a starter.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

When? Thats what i want to know. Looking at our last drafts from 2003-2007, who would you have drafted where we were, instead of the pick that we got.

Well I don't have time to go through every draft pick in the last 5 years, but you can't just sit there and say that there are no successful WRs that have entered the NFL in the last 5 years either. Maybe we didn't have a great chance to get them, but I do remember Greg Jennings getting by us some kinda way. Heck, I would have taken a reach WR or pick next year over Bennett this year.

Like I said earlier, something, anything could have been done, it just hasn't so its our bed, time to lay in it.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I respect all the opinions I've read here...but counting Terry Glenn into the equation is a huge mistake...Patrick Crayton is a #3 and TO is 34....Tony Romo has just been extended to be our franchise QB and we have ONE legitimate threat at WR...and he is 34. Truth be told...this franchise started to circle the drain in 1999 in Veterans stadium during week 4 of the season...the season Micheal Irvin stopped playing. We won without Troy...had marginal success without Emmit....BUT NEVER WAS THE SAME WITHOUT MIKE. This offense last year was NEVER THE SAME WITHOUT TO....again, Terry Glenn and Patrick Crayton are not what I call protecting the future of the position.....and TO has always had issues staying healthy...the Pats let Stallworth go...and guess what...they have a first round pick from a couple of years ago ready to step in...if TO goes down we turn to 7th round picks and converted QBs...in my book that is not and will not cut it. And it goes beyond this past draft....we ignored the position during the Parcells years and have been trying to get by with other teams castoffs since Irvin...the one time we did take one in the 2nd round, Antonio Bryant...he was ran out of town for Parcells teachers pet Key Johnson. Of course Antonio has proven to have some off the field issues..but he was good and promising and who knows...he might have worked through that had he stayed in Dallas and Calvin Hill worked with him. Heck I am sure we have dealt with bigger behaviour problems in the past

 

[dargonking999]

Well I don't have time to go through every draft pick in the last 5 years, but you can't just sit there and say that there are no successful WRs that have entered the NFL in the last 5 years either. Maybe we didn't have a great chance to get them, but I do remember Greg Jennings getting by us some kinda way. Heck, I would have taken a reach WR or pick next year over Bennett this year.

Like I said earlier, something, anything could have been done, it just hasn't so its our bed, time to lay in it.

We've done enough reaching on WR's to keep us from doing that again (See A.B.) plus you don't have to go through each pick, just our first round choices. You can sit there and say we could have made a deal, but at the expense of who? We have had real good picks lately, and making a deal with our draft picks could have cost some of those good picks. It's easy to sit back now and say we should have drafted WR earlier (since we have made picks in the later rounds) but at the time of the draft WR was just not high enough

 

[Deep_Freeze]

We've done enough reaching on WR's to keep us from doing that again (See A.B.) plus you don't have to go through each pick, just our first round choices. You can sit there and say we could have made a deal, but at the expense of who? We have had real good picks lately, and making a deal with our draft picks could have cost some of those good picks. It's easy to sit back now and say we should have drafted WR earlier (since we have made picks in the later rounds) but at the time of the draft WR was just not high enough

OK, we made some great ones in the first round, right......I would give Carp and Spears away for a bag of chips. Or, in their respective drafts, Santonio Holmes or Roddy White.....both young with potential.

Dude, the organization doesn't have to always be right for what they did and it doesn't make you more of a Cowboy fan to agree with what they did. No reason to cry over spilled milk, we made this bed we have to lay in it as I said. Now all we can do is hope we hit the lottery with one of our scrubs or get a vet WR sent by down from heaven.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Thats because we wont have to spend big money....

Chris Henry....

COME ON DOWN...

YOU are the next addition on The Cowboys Are Right

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

OK, we made some great ones in the first round, right......I would give Carp and Spears away for a bag of chips. Or, in their respective drafts, Santonio Holmes or Roddy White.....both young with potential.

Dude, the organization doesn't have to always be right for what they did and it doesn't make you more of a Cowboy fan to agree with what they did. No reason to cry over spilled milk, we made this bed we have to lay in it as I said. Now all we can do is hope we hit the lottery with one of our scrubs or get a vet WR sent by down from heaven.

well said...I hope Austin becomes the next TO...I hope Stanback becomes the next Irvin...and because we have not REALLY addressed the position, it seems the Cowboys are banking on this as well....but it should concern you when your starting QB is dropping hints that we need Terry Glenn back like yesterday

 

[dargonking999]

OK, we made some great ones in the first round, right......I would give Carp and Spears away for a bag of chips. Or, in their respective drafts, Santonio Holmes or Roddy White.....both young with potential.

Dude, the organization doesn't have to always be right for what they did and it doesn't make you more of a Cowboy fan to agree with what they did. No reason to cry over spilled milk, we made this bed we have to lay in it as I said. Now all we can do is hope we hit the lottery with one of our scrubs or get a vet WR sent by down from heaven.

But Again when Carp was drafted, We had just signed T.O, plus we had Glenn, and Crayton was just starting emerging. But we had Ware on one side, and Ellis attempting to move from 4-3DE to 3-4 OLB. OLB was of greater need than WR.

Now Spears on the other hand you have to again look at where our team was at the time. We had Key and Glenn, and we were making the transition from 4-3 to 3-4. We drafted our OLB/De tweener, and we needed a big DE that could play End for the 3-4.

You may not agree with who we drafted, but you can't say that at any time from 2003-2007 WR was a need of top priority.

WR only became a concern when Glenn had his knee injury, and then Owens got hurt at the end of the season.

I don't always agree with the orgnization and who the drafted, but i understand the crap hole from which our team came, and i can see why WR just has not been at the top of the list at our draft. Which is why all our picks have been late rounders.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

But Again when Carp was drafted, We had just signed T.O, plus we had Glenn, and Crayton was just starting emerging. But we had Ware on one side, and Ellis attempting to move from 4-3DE to 3-4 OLB. OLB was of greater need than WR.

Now Spears on the other hand you have to again look at where our team was at the time. We had Key and Glenn, and we were making the transition from 4-3 to 3-4. We drafted our OLB/De tweener, and we needed a big DE that could play End for the 3-4.

You may not agree with who we drafted, but you can't say that at any time from 2003-2007 WR was a need of top priority.

WR only became a concern when Glenn had his knee injury, and then Owens got hurt at the end of the season.

I don't always agree with the orgnization and who the drafted, but i understand the crap hole from which our team came, and i can see why WR just has not been at the top of the list at our draft. Which is why all our picks have been late rounders.

that line of thinking did not stop the Pats from drafting Jackson....the guy I really wanted this year was Devin THomas....but oh well...we shall see

 

[dargonking999]

that line of thinking did not stop the Pats from drafting Jackson....the guy I really wanted this year was Devin THomas....but oh well...we shall see

The Pats? the same pats that have been a top team since 2000?

And you're comparing that to the Dallas team from 2003?

Seriously?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

that line of thinking did not stop the Pats from drafting Jackson....the guy I really wanted this year was Devin THomas....but oh well...we shall see

Jackson? The bust?

We know we've needed a WR for a couple of years now, but the draft hasn't fallen right for us. We'd have taken Sweed if he'd been there at our 2nd this year, but he wasn't. Not forcing a certain position is the right way to do it -- otherwise you end up with the Shante Carvers and Kavika Pittmans of the world.

Besides, if you have to be short at a position, WR is probably the best one on the field. With a good QB, you don't have to have great WRs.

 

[dargonking999]

Jackson? The bust?

We know we've needed a WR for a couple of years now, but the draft hasn't fallen right for us. We'd have taken Sweed if he'd been there at our 2nd this year, but he wasn't. Not forcing a certain position is the right way to do it -- otherwise you end up with the Shante Carvers and Kavika Pittmans of the world.

Besides, if you have to be short at a position, WR is probably the best one on the field. With a good QB, you don't have to have great WRs.

See the Lovely Pats,

The same team he wished to use as an example.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

But Again when Carp was drafted, We had just signed T.O, plus we had Glenn, and Crayton was just starting emerging. But we had Ware on one side, and Ellis attempting to move from 4-3DE to 3-4 OLB. OLB was of greater need than WR.

Now Spears on the other hand you have to again look at where our team was at the time. We had Key and Glenn, and we were making the transition from 4-3 to 3-4. We drafted our OLB/De tweener, and we needed a big DE that could play End for the 3-4.

You may not agree with who we drafted, but you can't say that at any time from 2003-2007 WR was a need of top priority.

WR only became a concern when Glenn had his knee injury, and then Owens got hurt at the end of the season.

I don't always agree with the orgnization and who the drafted, but i understand the crap hole from which our team came, and i can see why WR just has not been at the top of the list at our draft. Which is why all our picks have been late rounders.

I know those excuses well, and at the time i was still wanting a WR. You told me to name first rounders, and took me 2 mins to think of who would be gone in a heartbeat. Wonder if we could have traded up a couple of spots to get Jennings, course we couldn't get that done for Sweed this year either, instead we took the next best TE again.

Anyway, I know why they were taken, I was on actually OK with the Spears pick at the time, but Carp was always a waste to me causes I never saw him as an OLB. That pick should have been a WR, and maybe one of those TE picks could have been used to get one also.

Again, I don't see your defense here. It should have been done, but it wasn't. Those WRs that we had on the roster you mention were all over 30, doesn't take much forsight to see that we needed to develop something.

I just can't believe your actually making me look back at the drafts, I was better when I didn't see them.