We just don't draft well...

[jazzcat22]

And before someone throws out a dumb arse retort to my post that "We didn't draft Romo, Austin, etc".... save it. An UDFA signed the day of the draft is the same thing as a draft pick when you are assessing our ability to draft/get college players.

Right, because if the draft was still 12 rounds, then we very well may have picked Romo in the 8th round. austin in the 9th.
And remember when the so called bums in the draft was the 10, 11, 12 picks [wasn't Larry Brown a #12], and the 7, 8 and possibly the 9th pick [remember Kenny Gant], was considered....could get a gem, or a steal, or a diamond in the rough...type player. A 5, 6 or 7 was a good "depth" player. Could turn out to be a starter eventually...

Now a 6 or 7th is considered a bum, lucky to make the team, type. a 5th is a possible depth player, as before it was considered a player that could "contribute"

 

[cobra]

And does Jerry Reese ever miss on a draft pick???

Yes.

Was 1st round pick Ron Dayne a hit? (Next RB picked in the 1st was Shaun Alexander) How about 2nd round RB pick Joe Montgomery?

2nd round pick Sinorice Moss has been worthless. (WRs taken after him include Greg Jennings, Devin Hester, and Brandon Marshall). Mario Manningham in the 3rd was a bad pick--the team was desperate for WRs and he didn't do crap.

2nd rounder Tim Carter was a miss, yes?

First round pick William Joesph is now on the Raiders... along with the guy the "Never Misses Jerry Reese" passed on for William Joesph: N. Asomugha.

Or how about 3rd round pick William James who they just out-right released?

How's OT Guy Whimper doing? Or OT Jeff Hatch? About as well as Free and Marten.
How about Eric Moore? Reggie Torbor?

Visanthe Shiancoe? He's the TE the Giants took right after we took Witten. Guess we should have taken Shiancoe because the Giants are better drafters.

Fourth round pick Jesse Palmer?

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I actually think the Giants are a pretty good drafting team. But my point is that you can nitpick the hell out of their drafting too. They aren't perfect. And I think the Cowboys have been just as good as the Giants in drafting players.

To suggest we are bad but they are awesome is myopic.

 

[cobra]

No playoff games and have choked at the end of the season.

Whaa, whaa, whaa.

That's what this comes down to. We haven't had success for whatever reason so fans with sand in their vaginas look for things to blame. And it is not the drafting. It's not the talent.

But to correct your mistake, we were actually in the 2nd round of the playoffs 2 years ago. So "no playoff games" is wrong. We lost to the eventual champions.

Yes, I'd like more success. Yes, I'd like to win some playoff games and, god-willing, a Super Bowl.

But I think we have a good team that is a step away from doing that.

To whine and ***** and throw tantrums with your panties in a bunch is annoying... and short-sighted. How quickly you forget the really lean years with QC.

How about a little optimism instead of a "**** these guys, they're all losers" attitude?

 

[mmillman]

Since Jerruh stepped back from the draft a little bit and let the football guys make the decisions Dallas has drafted better. This last draft is an example of what happens when you pay age and rely on free agency too much.

Jerruh overpaid for Williams, Williams, Owens, Hamlin etc........ because he felt he had to. Why did he feel that way? It is because of crappy drafting pre - Parcells.

 

[CATCH17]

Whaa, whaa, whaa.

That's what this comes down to. We haven't had success for whatever reason so fans with sand in their vaginas look for things to blame. And it is not the drafting. It's not the talent.

But to correct your mistake, we were actually in the 2nd round of the playoffs 2 years ago. So "no playoff games" is wrong. We lost to the eventual champions.

Yes, I'd like more success. Yes, I'd like to win some playoff games and, god-willing, a Super Bowl.

But I think we have a good team that is a step away from doing that.

To whine and ***** and throw tantrums with your panties in a bunch is annoying... and short-sighted. How quickly you forget the really lean years with QC.

How about a little optimism instead of a "**** these guys, they're all losers" attitude?

Owning him hahaha wooooooo


Dallas is awesome at drafting. Talent is far from the reason we are losing.

 

[Angus]

Prior to the BP years, I'd agree. When Parcells got to Dallas the drafting improved greatly. Thankfully it looks to have carried over to Wade. Hopefully it keeps on going.

It wasn't Parcells. He didn't want to draft Newman. Later, he wanted to take Spears instead of Ware in the early spot, leaving Ware to be drafted by some other team. He drafted Carpenter and the TE from Notre Dame, and the SC lineman who couldn't play, and others who couldn't cut it.

Parcells wasn't the cause of better drafts; they were better in spite of him or after he left.

 

[superpunk]

Please revise your thread to say that we do not draft LINEMEN well.

Then I will agree with you. Because we draft/UDFA almost every other position VERY well. I'd put our drafts in the past 5 years up against anyone in the NFL. We just suck at drafting and developing linemen.

 

[Angus]

And before someone throws out a dumb arse retort to my post that "We didn't draft Romo, Austin, etc".... save it. An UDFA signed the day of the draft is the same thing as a draft pick when you are assessing our ability to draft/get college players.

I agree, but Romo was a Payton pick, not a Parcells pick. Parcells dabbled with top picks but left selection in lower slots and of the undrafted primarily to underlings, as I understand it.

 

[superpunk]

I agree, but Romo was a Payton pick, not a Parcells pick. Parcells dabbled with top picks but left selection in lower slots and of the undrafted primarily to underlings, as I understand it.

I heard that Parcells spent most of his time at Valley Ranch doing sodoku and sneaking up behind people in the hallways yelling "YOU GOT SUCKED" as loud as he could. Jeff Ireland pretty much took care of everything.

 

[cobra]

Please revise your thread to say that we do not draft LINEMEN well.

Offensive linemen.

We draft defensive linemen well. Ratliff, Canty, and Spears are all legit starters. Ware could be a DE. Hatcher and Bowen are both quality depth that we have "drafted." We'll have to see about Dixon. But he may have something.

But we have had a few misses on the O-line. But I don't think that is especially a Dallas problem. There have been tons of busts on the o-line. I think that is the biggest crap shoot position to draft.

 

[cobra]

I agree, but Romo was a Payton pick, not a Parcells pick.

Not sure what that has to do with anything. I was talking about the team. Not a particular coach.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The title of the thread was poorly worded. You could say that for many years we didn't draft well. But it's a mistake to say we don't draft well, as if the problem is ongoing.

 

[superpunk]

Offensive linemen.

We draft defensive linemen well. Ratliff, Canty, and Spears are all legit starters. Ware could be a DE. Hatcher and Bowen are both quality depth that we have "drafted." We'll have to see about Dixon. But he may have something.

But we have had a few misses on the O-line. But I don't think that is especially a Dallas problem. There have been tons of busts on the o-line. I think that is the biggest crap shoot position to draft.

Unfortunately it's also probably the most important.

ok. I will accept that. Our defensive lineman have been starters or big contributors since day 1 - even though they're not HOFers, you can't knock what we've gotten out of them. Point taken.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Whaa, whaa, whaa.

That's what this comes down to. We haven't had success for whatever reason so fans with sand in their vaginas look for things to blame. And it is not the drafting. It's not the talent.

But to correct your mistake, we were actually in the 2nd round of the playoffs 2 years ago. So "no playoff games" is wrong. We lost to the eventual champions.

Yes, I'd like more success. Yes, I'd like to win some playoff games and, god-willing, a Super Bowl.

But I think we have a good team that is a step away from doing that.

To whine and ***** and throw tantrums with your panties in a bunch is annoying... and short-sighted. How quickly you forget the really lean years with QC.

How about a little optimism instead of a "**** these guys, they're all losers" attitude?

Hey tough internet guy...is this how you compensate for a small peepee? Did you even ready my post? I said i thought the drafts have been good. But because you have so much roid rage and uncontrollable hormones you post this crude.

Also, last season, if we had actually drafted a real lineman to fill in Koser...maybe we get to the postseason. So to correct your mistake, it is the talent and it is the drafting. Watch the WR position this season. It could make or break the Cowboys and it all comes down to the draft and the lack of drafting that position. I also would suggest anger management btw.

 

[Hoofbite]

It wasn't Parcells. He didn't want to draft Newman. Later, he wanted to take Spears instead of Ware in the early spot, leaving Ware to be drafted by some other team. He drafted Carpenter and the TE from Notre Dame, and the SC lineman who couldn't play, and others who couldn't cut it.

Parcells wasn't the cause of better drafts; they were better in spite of him or after he left.

Please. Take a look at some of the drafts prior to Parcells and then tell me which ones you'd rather have.

Between his picks and UDFA pickups people should be more than happy with how he did in terms of picking up players.

Sure, he mad some crappy picks, who doesn't. In the grand scheme of things, BPs drafts were light years ahead of the what was happening prior to his time.

Oh, and that Notre Dame TE turned in a pretty good year last year. Just because the team decided to give up on Fasano after 2 years doesn't mean that he was a bad pick.

 

[cobra]

I also would suggest anger management btw.

Look under my username.

It is what it is.

As for your point, I don't think you made one. I guess you think we have enough blue chip draft picks to have pro bowlers at every position and their backups, and because we don't have that, we are talented enough... in which case, I'll leave you to your delusion.

 

[arglebargle]

Parcells brought in a process for drafting that has worked well. Identify the types of players you want and stick to that formula. But Parcells' pet cats, his personal choices. usually high in the draft, where he is known to have gone against the scouts advice, were generally bad. Bad Oline choices. Carpenter. Marcus Spears over Demarcus Ware.

Once we did get his system style in the drafting room, we did start hitting on low end draft picks. And that carried through his poor choices in the first couple of rounds.

 

[Stash]

Look under my username.

It is what it is.

Is that tag line under your user name a 'get out of jail free card' for treating other posters so poorly and turning every thread into an argument?

I sure hope not.

You're quickly going the route of being one of those people whose presence and lousy attitude makes a forum a bit less than it was before.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Over the past little while I have been pleased with our drafting. Not really a huge concern for me at this time. I would say some of our signings/trades could be improved.

Hello Jerry.

 

[speedkilz88]

Is that tag line under your user name a 'get out of jail free card' for treating other posters so poorly and turning every thread into an argument?

I sure hope not.

You're quickly going the route of being one of those people whose presence and lousy attitude makes a forum a bit less than it was before.

I think its the posters that ***** and moan in every thread, a lot of times in threads that are on a different topic(like this one) that makes the forum a bit less.