We May Keep Six Wide Receivers . I Hope So!

[817Gill]

Re: Turpin, I wonder how many times it has happened that a Pro Bowl player under contract gets cut before the next season.

It’s just not gonna happen barring injury. It’s like since he wasn’t a TD machine as a returner fans think he was bad lol.

Literally voted as a primary pro-bowler. Not an alternate.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If we were that high on him dont think the team would have been so focused on a WR this offseason.

Huh??? Exactly how were the Cowboys focused on WR this off season?

They traded 5th rounder for one and signed some UDFA's.

 

[fredp22]

Huh??? Exactly how were the Cowboys focused on WR this off season?

They traded 5th rounder for one and signed some UDFA's.

going into offseason that was the focus till we got Cooks. Agree we got him cheap but we needed and they got a #2. Neither Tolbert or Gallup filled the role. Hopefully both come back strong this year

 

[BlindFaith]

He was a stud in the USFL, but didn't do much in the NFL. I was shocked he made the pro bowl. If one looks at the rankings of KO returners and punt returners, one will find that he actually ranked quite poorly. Google it, you'll be surprised how low he ranks.

He made some absolutely horrible decisions with regards to returns. He put the team in a hole too often. And now he says he is going to return "everything". Dumb.

With the new return rules in the NFL, his limited value as a returner will be diminished even more.

That last WR spot needs to be used for a developmental guy that has the potential to become something. Putting Turpin in once a game to run a sweep/reverse that everyone knows is coming doesn't add much value. Turpin is not a bad returner, but offers little else. That roster spot can be put to better use elsewhere. My bold prediction is Turpin is toast! We'll see.

The new return rule is getting way blown out of proportion. And it has no impact on punt returns, which are far more critical and takes a lot more skill.

I don't know why he wasnt given more of a chance at WR. Could be it took some time to learn the offense. Could be they knew he was a little worn down from already playing a full season and wanted to keep him as fresh as possible.

Undrafted guys like Cropper and Durdin have virtually no chance here. Lucky to make the practice squad.

Our 7th round WR Brooks will have to blow away Fihoko and show more potential as a WR to even have a chance. He has turned some heads in camp, but is a long shot.

This is a very good roster with SuperBowl aspirations. The end of the roster guys will need to be ST teams deamons or guys that have legit starter or backup ability.

No room for one trick pony, gadget guys. Unless you went to the pro bowl doing it.

 

[coult44]

Unless Fehoko and Turpin prove they can contribute, who cares? I realize there’s draft capital there. But at some, just cut your losses and move on!

I hear you, only thing I'm saying is not to move on too quickly. It's not like we are hurting for talent at Wideout. Who knows we could have another Butch Johnson or Golden Richards laying in wait

Bring em along slowly, what's the rush

I agree , and I’d be ecstatic if Tolbert could turn into something

 

[plasticman]

I suspect the practice squad will be WR heavy.

The receivers #4 and #5 could go any way. Prepare for a dark horse.

 

[Jipper]

It’s just not gonna happen barring injury. It’s like since he wasn’t a TD machine as a returner fans think he was bad lol.

Literally voted as a primary pro-bowler. Not an alternate.

Hate to say it but he was only a probowler bc cowboys fans are so numerous.

He was 18th and 30th in avg returns for pr and ko respectively...outside of the one preseason game he was not even average

 

[kskboys]

I do see us keeping 6 WRs .. another note, Gallup seems like he'll get hurt again at some tpoint .. he seems to be following that trend every year.

That's why I think we need that Cedrick Wilson type WR. .. only thing about the 5th and 6th WR, Simi and Tolbert, neither one offer a return game like Wilson did.

Not to mention that we're not sure either can even play.

 

[kskboys]

Hate to say it but he was only a probowler bc cowboys fans are so numerous.

He was 18th and 30th in avg returns for pr and ko respectively...outside of the one preseason game he was not even average

Earlier this offseason I was pretty shocked to see the love for Turpin. I don't think he's much of a returner, and it looks like the facts bear that out. He's a wasted roster spot, IMO.

 

[817Gill]

Hate to say it but he was only a probowler bc cowboys fans are so numerous.

He was 18th and 30th in avg returns for pr and ko respectively...outside of the one preseason game he was not even average

Doesn’t really change anything lol. The team really likes him and he had a return game impact that goes past pure return avg. especially since those rankings have to factor in a certain number of attempts over the course of a season to be considered.

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/2022-nfl-season-s-top-10-return-specialists-keisean-nixon-nyheim-hines-lead

Returning data that’s more effective at measuring the returner are in the article above. Will paste them below as well:

• Punt Returns: 29 returns, 303 yards (+67 PRYOE), 0 TD (51.7% success rate)
• Kick Returns: 21 returns, 508 yards (+25 KRYOE), 0 TD (47.6% success rate)

These make him one of the better returners. No matter how any of us feel, a guy who’s only played one year in the league, on a 3 year deal cheap, and named a primary pro bowler is not and does now ever get cut batting injury or some extreme fall off. That’s just something we’ll have to accept tbh.

 

[BlindFaith]

Hate to say it but he was only a probowler bc cowboys fans are so numerous.

He was 18th and 30th in avg returns for pr and ko respectively...outside of the one preseason game he was not even average

Just curious, since you're talking stats and rankings. How good were the overall return units? You know, the guys blocking for him? Throw that metric out there.

It takes more than a pro bowl returner to have a really good return game.

Plus, he was basically a rookie. Lets not forget that. Id take a rookie making the pro bowl any day.

 

[Jipper]

Just curious, since you're talking stats and rankings. How good were the overall return units? You know, the guys blocking for him? Throw that metric out there.

It takes more than a pro bowl returner to have a really good return game.

Plus, he was basically a rookie. Lets not forget that. Id take a rookie making the pro bowl any day.

its fine to say that for sure, but my point was that he made the probowl with below average stats which means the voting was skewed by a massive amount of cowboys fans. In terms of overall speical teams rankings, just doing a few quick searches most have the cowboys in the slightly better than average range which would indicate that the overall speical teams were better than where he ranked out.

At the end of the day, the player got voted to a probowl, was a probowler bc of it but isnt on the same level as a positional probowl player....thats the point. Typically, probowlers are well above average players and hes below average.

 

[Jipper]

Doesn’t really change anything lol. The team really likes him and he had a return game impact that goes past pure return avg. especially since those rankings have to factor in a certain number of attempts over the course of a season to be considered.

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/2022-nfl-season-s-top-10-return-specialists-keisean-nixon-nyheim-hines-lead

Returning data that’s more effective at measuring the returner are in the article above. Will paste them below as well:

• Punt Returns: 29 returns, 303 yards (+67 PRYOE), 0 TD (51.7% success rate)
• Kick Returns: 21 returns, 508 yards (+25 KRYOE), 0 TD (47.6% success rate)

These make him one of the better returners. No matter how any of us feel, a guy who’s only played one year in the league, on a 3 year deal cheap, and named a primary pro bowler is not and does now ever get cut batting injury or some extreme fall off. That’s just something we’ll have to accept tbh.

i never advocated for cutting him, and honestly i think he was under used in other parts of the game...i simply said he only earned a probowl bc of the cowboys popularity and the fact he plays for Dallas....

 

[817Gill]

i never advocated for cutting him, and honestly i think he was under used in other parts of the game...i simply said he only earned a probowl bc of the cowboys popularity and the fact he plays for Dallas....

I get that, but it’s not like he’s a premier player.
Most people who are even real fans of the league don’t know who Turp is.

He’s played one year with no nationally televised moments of stardom. I think we are severely overestimating how much he may have benefitted from being a Cowboy. Especially when the first round of votes includes players and coaches. Those guys aren’t starstruck like media and fans are.

The guy is essentially a rookie and we have folks who want to cut him because he didn’t score lol. News flash to those folks, 99% of KR/PRers don’t score all year. It’s not 2005. It’s obvious he’s electric and has the skills. Maybe give him another year before bringing out the pitchforks for a lack of scores?

 

[BlindFaith]

its fine to say that for sure, but my point was that he made the probowl with below average stats which means the voting was skewed by a massive amount of cowboys fans. In terms of overall speical teams rankings, just doing a few quick searches most have the cowboys in the slightly better than average range which would indicate that the overall speical teams were better than where he ranked out.

At the end of the day, the player got voted to a probowl, was a probowler bc of it but isnt on the same level as a positional probowl player....thats the point. Typically, probowlers are well above average players and hes below average.

Come on now. If the "massive amount of cowboys fans voting" is what got Turpin in, then why wouldnt our entire team be in the pro bowl every year?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Come on now. If the "massive amount of cowboys fans voting" is what got Turpin in, then why wouldnt our entire team be in the pro bowl every year?

Players are voted into the Pro Bowl by the coaches, the players themselves, and the fans.

Each group's ballots count for ⅓, or 33.3%, of the votes.