We miss Schultz

[Creeper]

I don't know. I think I'd rather have Ferguson. When Schultz was here he was good for a lot of short catches. I don't recall him making many big plays. Ferguson seems to be a little better with the ball in his hands. The problem is they don't have enough talent at the skill positions. They need at least 1 more WRs and at least 1 decent RB.

 

[blueblood70]

Not sure how 'separation' can be judged via stats but production can be evaluated better with more data. NFL.com gives good standard fare. I suggest pro-football-reference.com for more relevant information:

In my opinion, Sam LaPorta would be the unquestionable number one tight end in the league (despite Travis Kelcie having a down year thus far) IF he were targeted as much this season as last year during his rookie season. Detroit's offense is potent enough to not throw to him regularly. Still, it is a waste.

Not sure why Amari Cooper was grouped with tight ends. Not sure why Amari Cooper is being held to any standard within that Cleveland offense either.

Edit: Dallas Goedert was injured during the Eagles/Browns game.

Sources
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LaPoSa01/gamelog/2024/
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KelcTr00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SchuDa00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KittGe00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GoedDa00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FergJa00.htm

because I could care less about separation rates and analytics!

we're talking about production here and the reason I put amari Cooper up there is the show that Ferguson's numbers is up there with a wide receiver that his numbers are in line with all the other top TEs this year that's the point it's about production not analytics..

how is he catching all these balls if he's never open I mean he's literally I think 3rd amongst TEs in sheer production and I don't care about targets you literally have to compare the guy to where his offense feels he's a weapon and they get him the ball and apparently Ferguson has the numbers to be grouped with the top tight ends this year, so far.

the thing I don't like is on a whole our offense isn't scoring touchdowns, but I don't care about analytics,

I care about production guys get paid off of stats and right now Ferguson stats compare with all the top tight ends right now in the league and I threw Amari Cooper in there because it's funny everybody wanted him back he's a wide receiver and our tight end has as good a numbers as a wide receiver..

I mean isn't that a point to make the guys producing and yet HE the OP want to bring back Dalton Schultz for what ?he makes $10 million and he's clearly not important to his team enough for them to throw him more balls... And I don't follow the eagles, I don't know when they played the Browns 2 weeks ago doesn't matter,

I'm just saying Ferguson has only played five games out of the six and his numbers compare in production to other TEs and some wide receivers...

I don't get how I have to explain this what I really meant I don't care about analytics I don't care about separation rates I care about stats and production and right now Ferguson on a rookie contract is far better than Dalton Schultz $10 million in production this year that is 100% the point..

 

[DallasEast]

we're talking about production here

That is partially correct. Per the OP:

The guy knew how to get separation...

The OP established 'separation' as the variable of his opinion.

YOU changed the basis of the OP to production when you stated this:

dude seriously do research heck Furgeson's numbers are as good or better than Amari cooper and Furg missed a game this year..so please dont post because this OPPINION is wrong.

Since YOU changed the basis of the topic to production, I replied to your production based opinion with information related to production.

Next.

 

[speedkilz88]

That is partially correct. Per the OP:



The OP established 'separation' as the variable of his opinion.

YOU changed the basis of the OP to production when you stated this:



Since YOU changed the basis of the topic to production, I replied to your production based opinion with information related to production.

Next.

I would dispute anyone claiming Schultz gets better separation. Looking at production though removes opinion and bias.

 

[DallasEast]

I would dispute anyone claiming Schultz gets better separation. Looking at production though removes opinion and bias.

Receiving production is depended upon securing receiving opportunities. A more complete picture of receiving opportunities should enhance opinion and decrease bias. A more incomplete picture achieves the opposite.

 

[zrinkill]

Jeebus ...... Did we need him last year?

Anything to excuse the obvious problem.

 

[bigE79]

The guy knew how to get separation. Yeah he wasn’t a star but he got open - more so than Ferguson who rarely creates space. Beasley is another example of a good route runner who was always open.

Dak desperately needs another pass catcher that can create at least a couple yards of separation in Zone or 1:1 coverage

Tolbert isn’t quick/explosive enough, cooks is old, Ferguson is typically blanketed and CD is being doubled.

We also miss Tsmith, Fowler, Armstrong, Gilly and Pollard,imo

 

[goshann]

Jeebus ...... Did we need him last year?

Anything to excuse the obvious problem.

If you don’t think there is more than one ‘problem’ with this team on the offensive side of the ball you simply aren’t watching with any eye beyond your personal agenda

- qb hasn’t been good
- running backs are terrible
- oline is simply bad
- receivers are rarely open

 

[blueblood70]

We also miss Tsmith, Fowler, Armstrong, Gilly and Pollard,imo

tyron Smith's having his worst year as a pro I mean where you guys get your information from? Literally the man is already giving up five sacks this year and more pressures in the first month of the season he's ever given up the man's not playing well and somehow you all keep wanting all players back and not even playing well there's some kind of weird bias about I thought Jerry liked his guys thing was a bad thing and now you want Jerry's old guys back but if he kept them you'd have said Yup like his guys Ferguson is a better player than Dalton Schultz and maybe a small gap but i don't know why we're talking about this..

 

[blueblood70]

That is partially correct. Per the OP:



The OP established 'separation' as the variable of his opinion.

YOU changed the basis of the OP to production when you stated this:



Since YOU changed the basis of the topic to production, I replied to your production based opinion with information related to production.

Next.

Doesn't matter you can argue with me and debate me all day Dalton Schultz is not a better tight end than Ferguson especially if you add money in it and production I don't care if he's getting targets or not if he was gone maybe throwing him the damn ball that's how I see it they don't have a bad quarterback over there do they 'cause last I checked I thought CJ Stroud was really good and yet they cut Noah brown do we want Noah brown back I bet we could find a way to make him another player like the guy below biggie all of a sudden thinks Tyra Smith having a good year he wants all the old players back and I don't get it Dalton Schultz makes about $10 million and he has 18 catches on the year way less then Ferguson Ferguson's a better player we all see it we don't need analytics we need eyes and my and I'm saying right now Ferguson's having a better season so why do we want the more expensive guy whose own team is not looking to get him the ball tell me he's probably not getting separation he's probably dropping the ball a lot something's wrong if a player's not getting targeted...

I don't care how many great players you have on your team if you're starting tight end is not getting balls there's a problem with your tight end not your quarterback because Sam laporta you tell me he doesn't have a good offense and a good quarterback are they ignoring him the fact that he's getting open they must be ignoring him though we're not telling you the ball no matter what we got too many other better options I'm sorry that is not how football works he thinks Dalton Schultz he said we need him back and then he brings up Mr. old SMU rap game we need him back as well because they were always open right everyone's always open and yet they're not in the league anymore or they're having a lesson productive than the player we're discussing makes no sense to me stop not making sense if you want Dalton Schultz put him on your damn fantasy team oh wait a minute he would make you lose because he's not getting the ball..

 

[DallasEast]

I don't care if he's getting targets or not

 

[blueblood70]

That is partially correct. Per the OP:



The OP established 'separation' as the variable of his opinion.

YOU changed the basis of the OP to production when you stated this:



Since YOU changed the basis of the topic to production, I replied to your production based opinion with information related to production.

Next.

I'll make it simple for you we do not miss Dalton Schultz he's not the missing piece.... He's not better than Ferguson and nothing you twist say or move around it's gonna help that I don't care what analytics say most of those come from all kinds of places that can make anything fit a narrative if he was getting open his team would throw in the ball same with all the I don't wanna hear about how they're not getting targeted enough good players who are open get targeted there's a problem if their quarterbacks are ignoring them it's a lot of those dudes have really good quarterbacks the guys I listed over there you have what Jared Goff you have Patrick mahomes just to name a few of those guys on the list but CJ Stroud for Dalton Schultz you're telling me he's just not productive because they're ignoring him that's what you're trying to tell me he's wide open but they decide not to throw him the football that's what you're saying his separation rate is so elite that he's just not getting the ball because of circumstances..LMAO

 

[blueblood70]

Maybe you're missing the point I mean is that not a mystery to you that the man is not getting the targets you're saying that he's wide open he has elite separation skills and yet ours is getting the ball even though he's not getting open he's catching a lot of balls and getting a lot of yards but he's not open enough for the original poster now you're trying to get in on this you're telling me that there's some kind of bias that all these other tight ends are simply on too good offensive and their quarterbacks are ignoring that they're wide open so they're not getting targets only because there's just too many other options is that what you're trying to sell me?

I'm trying to figure out where you're at in your head with this it's all about production that's it not about targets what is their game by game stats that is what you are judged upon I don't know anybody that's on a team with a good quarterback that gets ignored when they're open so far we're six games in that's not a small sample size and right now Ferguson's a better player he's a cheaper player and he's actually on a team that's in shambles and still has better production you're trying to tell me we missed Dalton Schultz that we should trade Ferguson and his rookie contract for Dalton Schultz because the poor guy is open all the time and he's not getting the ball he should demand the damn trade to demand the damn train these guys are elite wide open and I'm supposed to care that you think they're just simply not being targeted?

 

[DallasEast]

you're telling me he's just not productive because they're ignoring him that's what you're trying to tell me he's wide open

I made no such claim but the OP began the conversation introducing separation as a talking point.

 

[blueblood70]

I made no such claim but the OP began the conversation introducing separation as a talking point.

No he didn't that's not what he implied he's saying we need him back because he thinks he's better than Ferguson and he would improve this offense how you can't read between the lines I don't understand it wasn't a talking point he literally said we need him back as if we miss his production and we do not ferguson is just as if not more prod....ear it's not even close in comparison.

Nobody goes out and discusses players in that manner and makes any sense whatsoever if the man was open he'd be getting the balls so there's something wrong with Dalton Schultz on why his numbers are so low this year same with laporta and any of the other ones that's what I'm telling you I don't care about their analytics and I don't care why they're not getting targeted more because apparently there's a problem.

I've never seen such nonsense written in my life that we would discuss missing players because they seem to be open all the time and yet they weren't productive but there's excuses being made for why they're not productive make zero sense for me I'm out leave me alone I already blocked the OP. I bet next time contracts come open there's a big discussion at the table of how why my guy is open so much but doesn't have any stats to back it up and then he can blame his cornerback while they're sitting at the table..

But Mr. GM and Mr. owner I deserve to get paid more because my guys open even though I have no stats and no production you should pay me top five money because I have top five separation rate LMAO

right that's what comes up now people who invented analytics and gave fans a wide open look to people's contracts and salary caps and using all these micro analytics has ruined the game because anybody who thinks we'd be better off with Dalton Schultz because that's the move that was made because they didn't pay him his 9 to $12 million he was asking and right now as it sits I look over there he's not worth it oh wait a minute he's being paid because of analytics separation rates not production I mean seems like we're not getting paid for action now we're getting paid for possibilities I'm catching more passes..

 

[blueblood70]

I made no such claim but the OP began the conversation introducing separation as a talking point.

no it's clear in the title i'll make this shorter when it says we miss schultz


and I'm saying we do not miss Schultz that's easy his contract's too big his production's too low and I cannot care any less about analytics... When I look at move and I think it's also funny the guy says we shouldn't let not let go of tyron Smith and somebody's not checking actual real time production and tyron Smith having his worst year as a professional I'm glad he stayed healthy so he can give up already 5 sacks and in order amount of pressures but we should get him back as well any other players I mean cause analytics are somebody's eyes say that they must be better than what we have...

 

[DallasEast]

No he didn't that's not what he implied he's saying we need him back because he thinks he's better than Ferguson

What was actually said:

The guy knew how to get separation. Yeah he wasn’t a star but he got open - more so than Ferguson who rarely creates space. Beasley is another example of a good route runner who was always open.

Dak desperately needs another pass catcher that can create at least a couple yards of separation in Zone or 1:1 coverage

Tolbert isn’t quick/explosive enough, cooks is old, Ferguson is typically blanketed and CD is being doubled.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Jake Ferguson is a top five tight end right now I don't know where this guy got his information or how you think there's a problem but there isn't and you're right the offense itself the play calling the design not good at all but yet somehow ferguson's numbers a....the names people mention on this site

you mean this guy LMAO fergs so far this year Better!!

Sam LaPorta

13

199

1

3

1

52

9

Travis Kelce

24

228

0

3

0

Amari Cooper

24

250

2

2

Dalton Schultz

18

143

0

1

0

23

7

George Kittle

28

283

5

3

0

29

16

Dallas Goedert

24

301

0

5

2

61

8

Jake Ferguson

25

240

0

3

0

27

9

"Jake Ferguson is a top five tight end."

Among your many awful takes this ranks near the top. You sound like a Jerry clone.

 

[rags747]

It’s a 7 win team, get over it already.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]