We need a true #2.

[InmanRoshi]

it's not the point. The point is the Skins were able to take their best DB's and double them up on Owens and Witten and still feel comfortable with their 4th and 5th corners on our 2nd WR.

Just shows how little respect teams have for Crayton. They will let him catch 8 yard routes all day if they can stop Owens and Witten because they know Crayton is not going to beat them.

Witten was double covered? Sure didn't seem to have any problems with it considering he caught the ball at will. And the bottomline is Patrick Crayton produced today. So did Austin.

There is a segment of fans that are so over-infatuated with the WR position that they''re borderline obsessed with it, and believe the position single handedly has the biggest impact on the game. These fans will immediately blame the WR position for any loss or win, no matter how ridiculous, because they're so infatuated with it.


I suggest they follow the Lions and Cardinals and see how truly influential the the WR position is on the impact of W's and L's.

 

[SDogo]

Witten was double covered? Sure didn't seem to have any problems with it considering he caught the ball at will. And the bottomline is Patrick Crayton produced today. So did Austin.

There is a segment of fans that are so over-infatuated with the WR position that they''re borderline obsessed with it, and believe the position single handedly has the biggest impact on the game. I suggest they follow the Lions and Cardinals and see how truly influential the the WR position is on the impact of W's and L's.

Surround the WR's on those teams with the talent we have here and it's a different story.

 

[CATCH17]

You don't think having a Roy Williams or any legitimate WR that the defense has to account for would of made a difference today?

Your telling me the Skins would of been content double teaming Owens and Witten and leaving Torrence on say a Roy Williams? Nah....A legitimate 2nd WR would make all the difference.

Not today no.

This offense is pretty much unstopable AS-IS.

Even if we did get another great #2 receiver how much better could it exactly make this offense?

Stop and think about how many great targets we already have and how long a Quarterback actually has to get rid of the ball.

The Supporting cast was fine TODAY. Absolutely not the reason we lost and helped if anything.

Plus Miles Austin is developing. I know a lot of you don't have the patience to let players develop. If it were up to you all of our late round picks would never had made this team.

Miles Austin has all the physical tools anyone could ask for and hes in his 3rd year and stepping up.

I want to see a lot more of him before I go saying Dallas doesn't have that "other guy" on their roster because he has all the tools do it.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Surround the WR's on those teams with the talent we have here and it's a different story.

I see you're a big believer in the Matt Millen philosophy of team building.

Make your WRs the core and build around them.

Yeah, that works great.

 

[RainMan]

Agreed, if we don't fix the defensive coverages and the run defense, we will get beat.

Romo's TOs are a little bit overblown on this board. He makes some plays and gives up some plays but that is probably just part of his game that he may never be able to eliminate.

Garrett has had a few bad games but I still think he is quite good overall.

I think Romo's turnovers can be overblown as well, but looking big picture, I'm not sure we can string together three or four straight playoff wins if Romo is turning the ball over once or twice in each one.

The main reason it's on my list of concerns is this: We have games offensively like today's from time to time where, for whatever reason, we just struggle to get it going. And then we have the defense we have on the other side just waiting to surrender points. Come playoff time, we can't afford to being able to count on giving up a possession or two because of 'Romo being Romo.'

I agree his style of play is such that he will always have more turnovers than safer-type QBs. I'm fine with that. It's part of his gunslinging ways. We can't, however, just become content with a turnover-plus from him every single game. It's one of the few parts of his game that I think needs any work at all.

 

[SDogo]

I see you're a big believer in the Matt Millen philosophy of team building.

Make your WRs the core and build around them.

Yeah, it works great.

Ok, solid thinking. Adding a WR to THIS team with the talent THIS team already has in place is the same as collecting WR's when you have nothing else.

Great comprehension.

 

[EPL0c0]

I never make threads, but this is what I thought throughout the game. Crayton is an excellent #3. Austin and Hurd are 4s and 5s and even maybe an ok 3rd if Crayton is missing, but if you double TO and Witten, we need a #2 that looks like a #1 when guys are getting doubled. Terry was that guy which is why I held onto the thought that he might recover, but we are not the best team in the NFL w/o that type of guy.

Patrick Crayton made a short guest appearance at today's game!! He was thrown to 3 times in the 2nd half, made one catch (7 in 1st half), then went back into hiding in the 4th qtr.

I agree, we need a legit #2

 

[Eskimo]

Not today no.

This offense is pretty much unstopable AS-IS.

Even if we did get another great #2 receiver how much better could it exactly make this offense?

Stop and think about how many great targets we already have and how long a Quarterback actually has to get rid of the ball.

The Supporting cast was fine TODAY. Absolutely not the reason we lost and helped if anything.

Plus Miles Austin is developing. I know a lot of you don't have the patience to let players develop. If it were up to you all of our late round picks would never had made this team.

Miles Austin has all the physical tools anyone could ask for and hes in his 3rd year and stepping up.

I want to see a lot more of him before I go saying Dallas doesn't have that "other guy" on their roster because he has all the tools do it.

I think part of the problem offensively was some sort of myopia.

We just kept trying to jam the ball into TO even though Springs was jamming him at the line with help over the top meaning there was very little room for him to operate.

We really should have been trying to go to Crayton and Austin more because they seemed to be open more. We should have also done something to try and get Barber more involved - perhaps playing more two TE sets. Part of the problem may be due to the lack of a FB.

 

[sk0aL]

Crayton had a more than satisfactory day today for a #2 WR, and made catches that kept two scoring drives alive. Miles Austin is looking like he's coming around.

The fact of the matter is, it wouldn't have mattered today if we had T.O. and Randy Moss on the field. When you run the ball 11 times, all the opposing defense has to do is key on the pass and you're in for a lot of 3 and outs.

 

[Eskimo]

I think Romo's turnovers can be overblown as well, but looking big picture, I'm not sure we can string together three or four straight playoff wins if Romo is turning the ball over once or twice in each one.

The main reason it's on my list of concerns is this: We have games offensively like today's from time to time where, for whatever reason, we just struggle to get it going. And then we have the defense we have on the other side just waiting to surrender points. Come playoff time, we can't afford to being able to count on giving up a possession or two because of 'Romo being Romo.'

I agree his style of play is such that he will always have more turnovers than safer-type QBs. I'm fine with that. It's part of his gunslinging ways. We can't, however, just become content with a turnover-plus from him every single game. It's one of the few parts of his game that I think needs any work at all.

It'd be nice from him to cut down on INTs but 4 in 4 games is far from terrible considering how many big plays he has made. The fumble in Philly was a fluke play.

 

[InmanRoshi]

We already have the #1 scoring offense in the league by a wide margin. This team's problem is not putting points on the board, and adding another WR is going to have a minimal effect at best. If adding another high dollar WR means we have to cut corners at another more important position, like letting Colombo walk, the result could probably end up hurting more than helping.

 

[CATCH17]

I think part of the problem offensively was some sort of myopia.

We just kept trying to jam the ball into TO even though Springs was jamming him at the line with help over the top meaning there was very little room for him to operate.

We really should have been trying to go to Crayton and Austin more because they seemed to be open more. We should have also done something to try and get Barber more involved - perhaps playing more two TE sets. Part of the problem may be due to the lack of a FB.

I do agree that we need to try and get our surrounding cast involved a little more.

I really think if we get Miles Austin, Martellus Bennett, and Felix Jones involved in the passing game than we will overwhelm teams more than we already do.

That being said I think the biggest reason we "struggled" offensively was because #24 never got going.

He is the heart beat of this offense. Hes the pace maker. He sets the tempo.

 

[Hostile]

We already have the #1 scoring offense in the league by a wide margin. This team's problem is not putting points on the board, and adding another WR is going to have a minimal effect at best. If adding another high dollar WR means we have to cut corners at another more important position, like letting Colombo walk, the result could probably end up hurting more than helping.

No we don't.

Denver has scored more and San Diego has too.

 

[Eskimo]

I do agree that we need to try and get our surrounding cast involved a little more.

I really think if we get Miles Austin, Martellus Bennett, and Felix Jones involved in the passing game than we will overwhelm teams more than we already do.

That being said I think the biggest reason we "struggled" offensively was because #24 never got going.

He is the heart beat of this offense. Hes the pace maker. He sets the tempo.

Hopefully when Cricket is back the defense won't be able to limit us to being a pass only offense like the Skins did today.

 

[SDogo]

We already have the #1 scoring offense in the league by a wide margin. This team's problem is not putting points on the board, and adding another WR is going to have a minimal effect at best. If adding another high dollar WR means we have to cut corners at another more important position, like letting Colombo walk, the result could probably end up hurting more than helping.

Adam can correct me if I'm wrong but I really don't believe this team is in such a salary cap crunch that they can not afford a legitimate 2nd WR and still keep the services of key players like Columbo.

 

[Eskimo]

Adam can correct me if I'm wrong but I really don't believe this team is in such a salary cap crunch that they can not afford a legitimate 2nd WR and still keep the services of key players like Columbo.

Adam has repeatedly said that next year it is going to be tight.

 

[dmq]

Thats our problem, A number 2............................................


What is the problem on this Board........................................

WE need a solid D.

we need to sack the QB we need to stop the big play we need to stop the stupid Defensive penalties

Thats what we need.....We needed that last year and the year before that and g-d knows we need it this year.........................................

Or were going nowhere....

we have scored many points with this offense..but the problem our D gives up just as many as we score...........................Dont worry next year we will score. Your Roy, or Boldin or whomever star is out there....but thats not going to make this Defense any better trust me........

I never said Defense wasn't a problem. It is a big problem. However, this is just another problem I see.

 

[SDogo]

Adam has repeatedly said that next year it is going to be tight.

Then that's contrary to what he has posted in other threads and most specifically the well reposted debate over on Extreme Skins.

 

[ilovejerry]

ote=dmq;2294280]I never said Defense wasn't a problem. It is a big problem. However, this is just another problem I see.[/quote]

Oh I see so its just an observation type thing....Cause this defense me me SICK today :ralph: :ralph: :ralph: :ralph: uke: uke: uke: uke: uke: uke: uke: uke: uke:

 

[Apollo Creed]

What an interesting idea.

:wink2:

Yeah, it's going down.

Regaredless of how you measure talent and evaluate our WR group as a whole, this team can't take the next step without a proven player that can make a play and really add that 'Welker' dynamic. Not saying I want to be the Patriots, we are an entirely different animal. But its apparent that this talented ball club is being held back by an inexperienced WR core that can't take advantage of extremely favorable matchups.

I'm just saying that I'd rather have Alvin Harper than either Crayton, Austin, Hurd, Stanback, Amendola, and whatever other guy can try to get some seperation from one on one coverage.