We refuse to throw deep down field

mardwin

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I don't understand how Beasley can't get open when all we ever hear in camp is that he's virtually unguardable in camp. If teams are rolling coverage to Dez Beasley should own the middle of the field.

What is going on?

Teams mix coverages (zone vs man) but when your QB is throwing everything underneath nobody is getting opened. There were plays to be had on that game from a passing perspective but Dak was just being afraid to turn the ball over.
 

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I don't understand how Beasley can't get open when all we ever hear in camp is that he's virtually unguardable in camp. If teams are rolling coverage to Dez Beasley should own the middle of the field.

What is going on?

I suspect it's a combo of things - play calling, Dak missing him, etc. I mean there are times he's clearly open. There was a big play in the game where Beasely was wide open on a cross and Dak air mailed him.
 

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Why was Blaine Gabbert drafted in the first?

don't know do you ? look who drafted him Jacksonville Jaguars lol

lets see that was the contract year

Jake Locker 1 st
Christian Ponder ? 1 st
Andy Dalton † 33
 

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It isn't that they won't go deep it's that they can't. Dak isn't capable. Some don't want to hear it but he has serious accuracy issues and his decision making leaves a lot to be desired. He needs to improve on those areas and quickly.
 

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Yes, there should have been more deep attempts.

BUT that being said the offensive line did not play well.

Collins himself gave up 11 pressures and 2 sacks.

Tough to throw deep when the offensive line is not playing at an acceptable level.
I think Denver's D-line started pressuring better later in the game.
But that pocket was mostly clean in the first half.

And yeah, Collins was way overmatched...as is almost everyone vs Miller.

Those three CBs for Denver were like glue too though.
 

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It isn't that they won't go deep it's that they can't. Dak isn't capable. Some don't want to hear it but he has serious accuracy issues and his decision making leaves a lot to be desired. He needs to improve on those areas and quickly.

His accuracy issues are grossly overstated. He may not be the best and most accurate at chucking the ball down the field, but he's accurate in the intermediate areas and frankly, that's all that needs to happen to loosen Ds up.
 

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I think Denver's D-line started pressuring better later in the game.
But that pocket was mostly clean in the first half.

And yeah, Collins was way overmatched...as is almost everyone vs Miller.

Those three CBs for Denver were like glue too though.

Agreed.
 

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People like to talk extremes. There is a wide area between dinking and dunking and throwing deep. Even hitting intermediate routes in the 10-20 yard area is going to loosen up a D. And for whatever reason, either Dak or the play calling, there was lack of any success in that range. And the few times we did try something there, Dak missed, for example, the Beasley throw.
Fwiw I think it might be mainly on Dak with the plays downfield. Even last year some people like Broaddus said Dak was missing plays downfield. I wish I could find the article but even if you google Dak lack of downfield passes brings up articles from last year speaking on this same thing. This isn't a new thing but since we've been winning nobody says nothing like most times. That's why some people think Dak getting thrown under the bus when this has been a thing for some. He still has time to get it together though.
 

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It's on Dak... Romo never had this much trouble completing long and mid-range passes in JG's offense. Dak is scared to go deep because his fatal flaw will soon be exposed. Once teams find out he really cant or wont throw deep, then DB's will play even tighter, and things will only get worse from there.
 

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It's on Dak... Romo never had this much trouble completing long and mid-range passes in JG's offense. Dak is scared to go deep because his fatal flaw will soon be exposed. Once teams find out he really cant or wont throw deep, then DB's will play even tighter, and things will only get worse from there.

Dak can throw deep. I've seen him throw an easy 60 yd bomb in preseason last year. He has trouble going deep because he focuses on Dez who can't beat man coverage. That more than anything is the problem. He has shown he can get it to TWill or Butler deep. But either those guys aren't getting open or Dak is too centered on finding Dez.
 

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I don't know who's to blame, but one thing I know for sure is that if it is 3rd & 7, I am getting REALLY REALLY tired of seeing guys run a 6 yard route and plant right there.

Dak has been living up to his dink & dunk perception that he had last year

Agree, at least get beyond the marker......
 

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Fwiw I think it might be mainly on Dak with the plays downfield. Even last year some people like Broaddus said Dak was missing plays downfield. I wish I could find the article but even if you google Dak lack of downfield passes brings up articles from last year speaking on this same thing. This isn't a new thing but since we've been winning nobody says nothing like most times. That's why some people think Dak getting thrown under the bus when this has been a thing for some. He still has time to get it together though.

It will be interesting to see what the All-22 shows. I suspect it won't be pretty for Dak.

And no, for all the Dak lovers, I am not suggesting he stinks.
 

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Dak can throw deep. I've seen him throw an easy 60 yd bomb in preseason last year. He has trouble going deep because he focuses on Dez who can't beat man coverage. That more than anything is the problem. He has shown he can get it to TWill or Butler deep. But either those guys aren't getting open or Dak is too centered on finding Dez.

There are guys open. He's missing them. It's not all his fault but he has to play much better.
 

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Garrett's offense stinks. Even with Romo, it had moments where it would sputter vs. good defenses when the running game got contained. Too predictable, no innovation. Witten and Beasley are not downfield threats so good defenses can contain them since they know they are just underneath security blankets. Williams is only capable of taking what the defense gives him but he's not capable of having dominant games when Dez is getting shutdown. I don't want to put much blame on the players because this is just what they are - it's Garrett who built this offense to look this way.

It was always dependent on the running game succeeding but now that is even more critical since we have a 2nd year QB who isn't at the point of a 10-year vet like Romo.
 

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His accuracy issues are grossly overstated. He may not be the best and most accurate at chucking the ball down the field, but he's accurate in the intermediate areas and frankly, that's all that needs to happen to loosen Ds up.

Not just that, but the literal last thing to criticize should be his decision making
 

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Next game against Arizona is more of the same loaded box with a single safety look. If Dak is not taking the necessary steps to improve then we might have to have #9 on speed dial because this team is not going anywhere with the short passing strategy.
#9 is having fun in the booth.
 

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Fwiw I think it might be mainly on Dak with the plays downfield. Even last year some people like Broaddus said Dak was missing plays downfield. I wish I could find the article but even if you google Dak lack of downfield passes brings up articles from last year speaking on this same thing. This isn't a new thing but since we've been winning nobody says nothing like most times. That's why some people think Dak getting thrown under the bus when this has been a thing for some. He still has time to get it together though.
Broaddus is a boob(and not the kind this country was built on) there is a reason he's in the booth
 

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It will be interesting to see what the All-22 shows. I suspect it won't be pretty for Dak.

And no, for all the Dak lovers, I am not suggesting he stinks.
I'm pretty sure it won't if its anything like the ones from last year highlighting plays he missed downfield. Like I've been saying most teams D aren't Denver good but them few teams that are we gotta beat them with the stuff they are willing to give you. Maybe its some on our WR and or play calling but I can't imagine most teams saying we are going to stack the box to let Rodgers, Brees, Brady beat us. That's where Dak has to get to and I'm sure he will bust his butt to get as close to that as possible. This loss might be good in hindsight even if to some its a sky falling down right now lol.
 

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Broaddus is a boob(and not the kind this country was built on) there is a reason he's in the booth
Sounds good but he isn't the only one. I guess that's going to be your default answer for everybody.
 
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