Wendell Williams 4.19 Forty

Risen Star said:
No. Different track. Can't compare. He isn't the first guy to allegedly run a 40 in the 4.1s. If it doesn't happen at the combine, it didn't happen to the record books.
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Seriously? Is that really how they view it? Pretty stupid.
 
Risen Star said:
You think a 40 ran on a different track with a different clocking system should be compared to the 40's run at the combine?

I don't.
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While I agree with you that it should not count against 40's ran at the Scouting Combine, I would like to point out that was still a NFL-ran event. This was regional scouting combine not a pro day.
 
Chris in Arizona said:
While I agree with you that it should not count against 40's ran at the Scouting Combine, I would like to point out that was still a NFL-ran event. This was regional scouting combine not a pro day.
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Doesn't really matter though. It's still a different track and clocking. Let it be the record for that event. It shouldn't count against CJ's combine record.
 
Risen Star said:
You think a 40 ran on a different track with a different clocking system should be compared to the 40's run at the combine?

I don't.
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They run on the sideline of the football field, first and foremost. Pretty sure Indy doesn't have a 1-off piece of astroturf that is so unique that it would be inappropriate to time a player on another field. Secondly, why would the NFL have a different clocking system for this event? If the field and clock were both different, what's the point? It's not like this was a workout, it was a regional combine.

If you want to say that his 4.19 won't be recognized as official because it was hand time and the official times come from the electronic timer that's fine, I guess. Kind of begs the question why teams have personnel hand time players in addition to the electronic timer.

Different track and different timer.....somehow the Olympics make it work, but the standard for the NFL must be a little higher than that.
 
Hoofbite said:
They run on the sideline of the football field, first and foremost. Pretty sure Indy doesn't have a 1-off piece of astroturf that is so unique that it would be inappropriate to time a player on another field. Secondly, why would the NFL have a different clocking system for this event? If the field and clock were both different, what's the point? It's not like this was a workout, it was a regional combine.

If you want to say that his 4.19 won't be recognized as official because it was hand time and the official times come from the electronic timer that's fine, I guess. Kind of begs the question why teams have personnel hand time players in addition to the electronic timer.

Different track and different timer.....somehow the Olympics make it work, but the standard for the NFL must be a little higher than that.
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Wait. So you think it doesn't matter where you run your 40, it's all the same? That's really what you think?

If so, you might want to enlighten the NFL so teams aren't pressuring kids every year to run at the combine for the very reason they went to see them all on the same surface and under the same timing. It matters.
 
Where it is run is not as important as how it was timed. There is a huge difference in a human running a stop watch and laser timed.
Different tracks are different, I agree but the real huge difference is hand timed.
 
conner01 said:
Where it is run is not as important as how it was timed. There is a huge difference in a human running a stop watch and laser timed.
Different tracks are different, I agree but the real huge difference is hand timed.
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True and not true. Surface matters. Grass surface, hard rubber surface, track surface.

The NFL Combine gives guys a chance to run on the same field so there's no difference and no discrepancy.
 
The Cardinals will likely draft him in the late rounds and pair him with speedy John Brown and J.J. Nelson.
 
tyke1doe said:
True and not true. Surface matters. Grass surface, hard rubber surface, track surface.

The NFL Combine gives guys a chance to run on the same field so there's no difference and no discrepancy.
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I agree surface matters but the biggest factor is the method of timing. Humans just can't react like the laser does this the big difference in times
 
conner01 said:
I agree surface matters but the biggest factor is the method of timing. Humans just can't react like the laser does this the big difference in times
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That's true.

My son is a junior in high school and wants to play football in college. We attend camps and combines, and the hand times are awful. We attended one combine and the guys timing my son clocked him at 4.67 in the 40. He was mad because my son generally runs in the 4.47 range, and his teammate whom he is "significantly faster than," as my son tells it, clocked a faster time than he did.

So they asked the three fastest guys to line up for a race, and my son lines up with them.
The scout tells him to sit down, and he tells the scout that they messed up his time so he's going to prove it.

They laughed and let him race the three fastest guys.

He smoked them.

I never trust hand times. They are woefully inaccurate.
 
Hoofbite said:
Seriously? Is that really how they view it? Pretty stupid.
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Players have said in the past thier coaches have encouraged them to move up half a step or clearly stopped it early. So yeah the combine is probably the best control numbers. Not saying it's not possible but improbable.
 
Mountaineerfan said:
Players have said in the past thier coaches have encouraged them to move up half a step or clearly stopped it early. So yeah the combine is probably the best control numbers. Not saying it's not possible but improbable.
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but if he is there in the 7th or FA why not invite him to camp?
 
Mountaineerfan said:
Players have said in the past thier coaches have encouraged them to move up half a step or clearly stopped it early. So yeah the combine is probably the best control numbers. Not saying it's not possible but improbable.
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How many fractions of a step to the players get to shuffle up at an NFL sponsored event?
 
Risen Star said:
Wait. So you think it doesn't matter where you run your 40, it's all the same? That's really what you think?

If so, you might want to enlighten the NFL so teams aren't pressuring kids every year to run at the combine for the very reason they went to see them all on the same surface and under the same timing. It matters.
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Or maybe because going to every single Pro Day would be a waste of time so watching everyone run at once makes a whole lot of sense.

Somehow the Olympics make it work. Should all Olympic records be tossed out?
 
Hoofbite said:
Or maybe because going to every single Pro Day would be a waste of time so watching everyone run at once makes a whole lot of sense.

Somehow the Olympics make it work. Should all Olympic records be tossed out?
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The Olympics are heavily regulated with the surface being as similar as possible. The various universities aren't.

You are literally the only person I've ever heard flabbergasted that a 40 conducted outside of the combine doesn't count towards the combine results.

Teams go to pro days. Whether you've worked out at the combine or not. Teams also don't need to attend pro days to get results like 40 times that will become available to the entire league.

The reason they encourage all players to workout at the combine is to get a look at everyone on the same field.
 
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