Twitter: Werder: Cowboys 0-5 against opponents that won 10 or more games

[Risen Star]

Game of inches they say....The game was ours late in the 4th Q if it wasn't for Mr. I want 40 million $....one of many games LOST due inept passing!

Horrific. I don't know how anyone could want to give that dude a new contract. He's a stiff.

 

[reddyuta]

Garrett was a freaking *****cat,he played not to lose and everybody will notice the pattern that we are always trying to come back against good teams because we start so cautiously.

 

[khiladi]

Garrett hasn’t touched the play calling since 2014. This idea he played not to lose seems ridiculous. The guy tried to pass all over the place. He was simply over his head. He NEVER established a RG and when he was finally demoted, Dallas was 31st in rushing attempts. They were bottom five in play action, meaning they he never established a RG to throw off defenders.

He probably got more power back after the FO let go of Romo, who took power away from him when he got his new contract. But they didn’t extend him this year, even though they were planning to last year. Just like they were planning to extend Dak.

Jerry have every opportunity to Garrett to thrive, but he sucked. 2016 convinced Jerry he could win with coordinators, with Garrett in charge. But then Linehan had to be a scape-goat. And they failed with 8-8.

This was Garrett pre-2013-2014... I don’t remember seeing him doing anything when the offense was on the field after the fact.

 

[blueblood70]

But........before we turn this into a Dak bashing, notice Garrett's record against winning teams below.




The idea here is to the issue of Dak NOT doing well against winning and/or playoff teams is more than how well he's played. This is a stigma of Garrett coached games dating back to Romo also. In other words, coaching matters.


https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...d-vs-top-teams-jerry-jones-top-coach-comment/

Defining what’s a big game is subjective, but for the purposes of this piece, beating teams with a winning record would be a good place to start. Upon examination, Garrett is not passing the test.

Using Pro Football Reference’s Team Finder to suss out each active head coach’s record against winning teams at season’s end in either the regular season or playoffs reveals a cold, hard fact. Against good teams, Garrett has been mediocre at best.

Here’s a list of all active coaches with at least one year of experience through the end of the last complete season, 2018.

Team Coach Years Active Record vs
Winning Teams Win %
New England Patriots Bill Belichick 2000-2019 107-63 0.629
Los Angeles Rams Sean McVay 2017-2019 14-10 0.583
Chicago Bears Matt Nagy 2018-2019 5-4 0.556
Indianapolis Colts Frank Reich 2018-2019 6-5 0.545
Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin 2007-2019 51-46 0.526
Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll 2010-2019 38-38 0.500
Philadelphia Eagles Doug Pederson 2016-2019 16-17 0.485
New Orelans Saints Sean Payton 2006-2019 48-52 0.480
Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid 2013-2019 25-31 0.446
Los Angeles Chargers Anthony Lynn 2017-2019 8-10 0.444
Atlanta Falcons Dan Quinn 2015-2019 15-21 0.417
Baltimore Ravens John Harbaugh 2008-2019 38-57 0.400
Carolina Panthers Ron Rivera 2011-2019 25-39-1 0.392
Dallas Cowboys Jason Garrett 2010-2019 25-43 0.367
Tennessee Titans Mike Vrabel 2018-2019 4-7 0.364
Minnesota Vikings Mike Zimmer 2014-2019 14-28 0.333
Jacksonville Jaguars Doug Marrone 2017-2019 8-17 0.320
Houston Texans Bill O’Brien 2014-2019 13-32 0.289
San Francisco 49ers Kyle Shanahan 2017-2019 4-13 0.235
Oakland Raiders Jon Gruden 2018-2019 3-10 0.231
Buffalo Bills Sean McDermott 2017-2019 4-14 0.222
New York Giants Pat Shurmur 2018-2019 2-10 0.167
Detroit Lions Matt Patricia 2018-2019 1-9 0.100

this has been the anti pay dak fan sentiment around here, not like we dont like Dak but he hasn't stepped up in big moment nor has he dragged the team from sure loss into a win.. Mahomes did tis twice maybe 3 times in just the 2019 playoff win on the way to a SB win, he GOT PAID..

the fact that he wont take a 32 mil deal 100 guaranteed and prove he can hit the 38mil mark through wins is why we are always arguing and debating Dak in here..yes we know defense, special tams, and coaching needed improvement BUT Daks part of that as the leader who wants 2.5 time MORE then anyone else on the team..step up!! then get paid..

 

[khiladi]

Ya, Mahomes doesn't need a dendable run game, defense to get stops on 3rd down, or any resemblance of a special teams. He plays every position..

Kansas City, the most dominant passing team in the league, was successful 53.3 percent of the time with rush-rush-pass. But the Chiefs ran the sequence just 15 times all season for a total share of 9 percent of all plays — 7 percentage points below league average — and they were mostly unsuccessful with the first two plays in the chain. When the Chiefs called back-to-back runs on first and second down, the second run was successful just 47.7 percent of the time. This suggests that the success of their third-down passes owes itself more to the strength of the Chiefs passing game and quarterback Patrick Mahomes than to the running plays that led up to them.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/you-called-a-run-on-first-down-youre-already-screwed/

 

[fivetwos]

Horrific. I don't know how anyone could want to give that dude a new contract. He's a stiff.

Nice pass.

He actually does things like that more than I care to recall.

Notice who the opponent was.

The comeback is....yeah but he threw for 5k yards.

How many yards do you need to cash in for a big win?

 

[pitt33]

Time was (great song by Wishbone Ash, check it out) when one could measure by playoff appearances and records but that time has come and gone. Some act as if the Cowboys have actually done anything, ANYTHING, significantly in the playoffs in over two decades.

This is comparing apples to oranges, the Cowboys are only a player in the TV ratings and gossip columns. They are a mid level football team.

There is one thing many here refuse to accept, these are not those Cowboys of the 70's and 90's. They are the Browns, Lions and Skins. That's who we are, the rest is ancient history.

What I don't get are the expectations some have here for them getting a high level QB. What the hell is that based on? Their track record? What have they done since spending the 1st on a QB in 89 except depend on luck? The last two QB's fell into their lap and that's what they've come to expect, rather be lucky than good.

While some feel the Cowboys should have a better QB, one with a better pedigree, I think they're lucky to have what they have. They're the worst team at that position in the league. The fact that they had a UDFA for 10 years followed by a 4th rounder does not speak to skill but nothing more than luck.

Good post.

You get it.

 

[pitt33]

12 points given up against the Saints

17 points given up against the Eagles

13 points given up against the Patriots


B b but the defense and special teams!

Clear to see the defense held their own here.

Another factor that gets overlooked in those losses can be pinned on Zeke. That guy signed a big contract and spent a lot on food. He played heavy and it was obvious he lacked his pre-contract burst. It kills me when talking heads say he may be past his prime. Are they serious?? Almost every running back in NFL history hit their peak at 27 years old.

Zeke should not be immune to criticism.

 

[Big_D]

This is when some will blame execution? lol

 

[CowboyRoy]

But........before we turn this into a Dak bashing, notice Garrett's record against winning teams below.




The idea here is to the issue of Dak NOT doing well against winning and/or playoff teams is more than how well he's played. This is a stigma of Garrett coached games dating back to Romo also. In other words, coaching matters.


https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...d-vs-top-teams-jerry-jones-top-coach-comment/

Defining what’s a big game is subjective, but for the purposes of this piece, beating teams with a winning record would be a good place to start. Upon examination, Garrett is not passing the test.

Using Pro Football Reference’s Team Finder to suss out each active head coach’s record against winning teams at season’s end in either the regular season or playoffs reveals a cold, hard fact. Against good teams, Garrett has been mediocre at best.

Here’s a list of all active coaches with at least one year of experience through the end of the last complete season, 2018.

Team Coach Years Active Record vs
Winning Teams Win %
New England Patriots Bill Belichick 2000-2019 107-63 0.629
Los Angeles Rams Sean McVay 2017-2019 14-10 0.583
Chicago Bears Matt Nagy 2018-2019 5-4 0.556
Indianapolis Colts Frank Reich 2018-2019 6-5 0.545
Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin 2007-2019 51-46 0.526
Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll 2010-2019 38-38 0.500
Philadelphia Eagles Doug Pederson 2016-2019 16-17 0.485
New Orelans Saints Sean Payton 2006-2019 48-52 0.480
Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid 2013-2019 25-31 0.446
Los Angeles Chargers Anthony Lynn 2017-2019 8-10 0.444
Atlanta Falcons Dan Quinn 2015-2019 15-21 0.417
Baltimore Ravens John Harbaugh 2008-2019 38-57 0.400
Carolina Panthers Ron Rivera 2011-2019 25-39-1 0.392
Dallas Cowboys Jason Garrett 2010-2019 25-43 0.367
Tennessee Titans Mike Vrabel 2018-2019 4-7 0.364
Minnesota Vikings Mike Zimmer 2014-2019 14-28 0.333
Jacksonville Jaguars Doug Marrone 2017-2019 8-17 0.320
Houston Texans Bill O’Brien 2014-2019 13-32 0.289
San Francisco 49ers Kyle Shanahan 2017-2019 4-13 0.235
Oakland Raiders Jon Gruden 2018-2019 3-10 0.231
Buffalo Bills Sean McDermott 2017-2019 4-14 0.222
New York Giants Pat Shurmur 2018-2019 2-10 0.167
Detroit Lions Matt Patricia 2018-2019 1-9 0.100

Garrett is no longer here. The future is bright without him.

 

[Diehardblues]

But........before we turn this into a Dak bashing, notice Garrett's record against winning teams below.




The idea here is to the issue of Dak NOT doing well against winning and/or playoff teams is more than how well he's played. This is a stigma of Garrett coached games dating back to Romo also. In other words, coaching matters.


https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...d-vs-top-teams-jerry-jones-top-coach-comment/

Defining what’s a big game is subjective, but for the purposes of this piece, beating teams with a winning record would be a good place to start. Upon examination, Garrett is not passing the test.

Using Pro Football Reference’s Team Finder to suss out each active head coach’s record against winning teams at season’s end in either the regular season or playoffs reveals a cold, hard fact. Against good teams, Garrett has been mediocre at best.

Here’s a list of all active coaches with at least one year of experience through the end of the last complete season, 2018.

Team Coach Years Active Record vs
Winning Teams Win %
New England Patriots Bill Belichick 2000-2019 107-63 0.629
Los Angeles Rams Sean McVay 2017-2019 14-10 0.583
Chicago Bears Matt Nagy 2018-2019 5-4 0.556
Indianapolis Colts Frank Reich 2018-2019 6-5 0.545
Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin 2007-2019 51-46 0.526
Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll 2010-2019 38-38 0.500
Philadelphia Eagles Doug Pederson 2016-2019 16-17 0.485
New Orelans Saints Sean Payton 2006-2019 48-52 0.480
Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid 2013-2019 25-31 0.446
Los Angeles Chargers Anthony Lynn 2017-2019 8-10 0.444
Atlanta Falcons Dan Quinn 2015-2019 15-21 0.417
Baltimore Ravens John Harbaugh 2008-2019 38-57 0.400
Carolina Panthers Ron Rivera 2011-2019 25-39-1 0.392
Dallas Cowboys Jason Garrett 2010-2019 25-43 0.367
Tennessee Titans Mike Vrabel 2018-2019 4-7 0.364
Minnesota Vikings Mike Zimmer 2014-2019 14-28 0.333
Jacksonville Jaguars Doug Marrone 2017-2019 8-17 0.320
Houston Texans Bill O’Brien 2014-2019 13-32 0.289
San Francisco 49ers Kyle Shanahan 2017-2019 4-13 0.235
Oakland Raiders Jon Gruden 2018-2019 3-10 0.231
Buffalo Bills Sean McDermott 2017-2019 4-14 0.222
New York Giants Pat Shurmur 2018-2019 2-10 0.167
Detroit Lions Matt Patricia 2018-2019 1-9 0.100

Quite an impressive list of current SB caliber HC under .500.

Payton, Reid, Harbaugh, Rivera, Pedersen, Quinn, Shanahan and Gruden.

Which wound suggest these records are probably more about those teams than the coaches.

 

[AbeBeta]

To be fair, most teams are going to have crap records against teams that have 10 or more wins ... those teams win the majority of their games. Saints only lost 3. Packers only lost 3. I could go on but it is a dumb statistic. Nobody is having a ton of success against 10+ win teams

 

[buybuydandavis]

But........before we turn this into a Dak bashing, notice Garrett's record against winning teams below.




The idea here is to the issue of Dak NOT doing well against winning and/or playoff teams is more than how well he's played. This is a stigma of Garrett coached games dating back to Romo also. In other words, coaching matters.


https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...d-vs-top-teams-jerry-jones-top-coach-comment/

Defining what’s a big game is subjective, but for the purposes of this piece, beating teams with a winning record would be a good place to start. Upon examination, Garrett is not passing the test.

Using Pro Football Reference’s Team Finder to suss out each active head coach’s record against winning teams at season’s end in either the regular season or playoffs reveals a cold, hard fact. Against good teams, Garrett has been mediocre at best.

Here’s a list of all active coaches with at least one year of experience through the end of the last complete season, 2018.

Team Coach Years Active Record vs
Winning Teams Win %
New England Patriots Bill Belichick 2000-2019 107-63 0.629
Los Angeles Rams Sean McVay 2017-2019 14-10 0.583
Chicago Bears Matt Nagy 2018-2019 5-4 0.556
Indianapolis Colts Frank Reich 2018-2019 6-5 0.545
Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin 2007-2019 51-46 0.526
Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll 2010-2019 38-38 0.500
Philadelphia Eagles Doug Pederson 2016-2019 16-17 0.485
New Orelans Saints Sean Payton 2006-2019 48-52 0.480
Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid 2013-2019 25-31 0.446
Los Angeles Chargers Anthony Lynn 2017-2019 8-10 0.444
Atlanta Falcons Dan Quinn 2015-2019 15-21 0.417
Baltimore Ravens John Harbaugh 2008-2019 38-57 0.400
Carolina Panthers Ron Rivera 2011-2019 25-39-1 0.392
Dallas Cowboys Jason Garrett 2010-2019 25-43 0.367
Tennessee Titans Mike Vrabel 2018-2019 4-7 0.364
Minnesota Vikings Mike Zimmer 2014-2019 14-28 0.333
Jacksonville Jaguars Doug Marrone 2017-2019 8-17 0.320
Houston Texans Bill O’Brien 2014-2019 13-32 0.289
San Francisco 49ers Kyle Shanahan 2017-2019 4-13 0.235
Oakland Raiders Jon Gruden 2018-2019 3-10 0.231
Buffalo Bills Sean McDermott 2017-2019 4-14 0.222
New York Giants Pat Shurmur 2018-2019 2-10 0.167
Detroit Lions Matt Patricia 2018-2019 1-9 0.100

Garrett generally cost us at least a game a year with poor game management.

Last year was probably more like 4. He so had to go.

 

[Diehardblues]

To be fair, most teams are going to have crap records against teams that have 10 or more wins ... those teams win the majority of their games. Saints only lost 3. Packers only lost 3. I could go on but it is a dumb statistic. Nobody is having a ton of success against 10+ win teams

This list of coaches below .500 would definitely support your thought.

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett generally cost us at least a game a year with poor game management.

Last year was probably more like 4. He so had to go.

If you say so but I’m not really sure how we measure this . And if we can is there a list or measurement for all HC’s?

 

[ondaedg]

Our defense had 4 takeaways in 8 losses. Factor that into Dak's contract.

 

[Diehardblues]

Good post.

You get it.

While there’s something to be said for that there’s also nothing wrong with wanting more. It doesn’t have to be tied to our glorious history or expectations.

Look at the Chiefs. They had a playoff caliber team with Alex but they wanted more and took a chance.

If we have another disappointing ending next season after 5 years of more mediocrity what are we really so determined to hang on to?

 

[buybuydandavis]

If you say so but I’m not really sure how we measure this . And if we can is there a list or measurement for all HC’s?

It's a matter of judgment. There's no universal "coach blew it meter" than I'm aware of.

The Dan Meter assigned Garrett one or two each year. Last year more like 4.

Saints, Minnesota, Jets, Philly. Probably more.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's a matter of judgment. There's no universal "coach blew it meter" than I'm aware of.

The Dan Meter assigned Garrett one or two each year. Last year more like 4.

Saints, Minnesota, Jets, Philly. Probably more.

Darn . I was hoping there was a definite measurement.

 

[plasticman]

Now let's go over Dak's entire 4 year resume:

During the 4 years, 64 regular season games, that Dak started, the Cowboys are 9-14 against teams that made the playoffs that season which is 39.1%.

This puts the Cowboys, and Dak, tied for 8th place with the Green Bay Packers among all 32 teams over the past four seasons combined. Only two teams, the Patriots and the Titans (?) have won over 50% of those games.

The midpoint of the list is a 3 way tie at 16th place and they have won 29.2% of their games against playoff bound teams. The NFL average over the past 4 seasons is 30.4%. By the way, the Bengals were at 28th place with 16.0%.

Okay, let's look at TD's versus turnovers. I find all quarterbacks that have thrown at least 1ooo pass attempts from 2016-2019. It turns out there are 28 of them. I add the interceptions and fumbles to get my total turnovers. I add my passing TD's and my rushing TD's to get my total TD's....right? tr

Now I subtract my turnovers from the total TD's and this gives my the difference between TD's and turnovers. Just for fun, I list the QB's according to that difference.

The results show that, out of those 28 quarterbacks, Dak Prescott is in 6th place with a +51 TD's to turnovers. The average among the 28 quarterbacks is +27. There are 4 quarterbacks in the negative, Bortles, Flaco, Fitzgerald, and Winston. By the way, Andy Dalton is in 16th place with 21.