Twitter: Werder: Cowboys 0-5 against opponents that won 10 or more games

[CouchCoach]

Time was (great song by Wishbone Ash, check it out) when one could measure by playoff appearances and records but that time has come and gone. Some act as if the Cowboys have actually done anything, ANYTHING, significantly in the playoffs in over two decades.

This is comparing apples to oranges, the Cowboys are only a player in the TV ratings and gossip columns. They are a mid level football team.

There is one thing many here refuse to accept, these are not those Cowboys of the 70's and 90's. They are the Browns, Lions and Skins. That's who we are, the rest is ancient history.

What I don't get are the expectations some have here for them getting a high level QB. What the hell is that based on? Their track record? What have they done since spending the 1st on a QB in 89 except depend on luck? The last two QB's fell into their lap and that's what they've come to expect, rather be lucky than good.

While some feel the Cowboys should have a better QB, one with a better pedigree, I think they're lucky to have what they have. They're the worst team at that position in the league. The fact that they had a UDFA for 10 years followed by a 4th rounder does not speak to skill but nothing more than luck.

 

[Rayman70]

So was The Cowboys 0-5 or just Dak out there by himself 0-5.

There is also a ST and other aspects. What was the same stats in 2016 season.

Never look at the whole body of work. Just what about last year. Teams change every year with injuries and such. We had no ST last year at all. And by the time our Defense got off the field we were starting at our own 10. That’s why we had a #1 Offense with a QB with almost 5000 yards.

great point!!! WELL SAID. Last I checked FOOTBALL is a team sport. You would think we didnt have a HC lol...NEVER have we seen a QB shown so much distrust and disrespect on a level that it unwarranted. Yet Carson WINCE gets rose pedals thrown in his wake lol and he has done less lol...unreal.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Dak isnt Mahomes. HE NEEDS all phases to be doing their jobs. We need to understand what Dak is...a solid leader and QB that needs everyone doing their jobs...and not to mention, good coaches.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with this.......could say the thing about quite a few HOF QBs. How many on this list could have done it W/O great coach or defense or couple elite players??????

Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999

 

[Rayman70]

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with this.......could say the thing about quite a few HOF QBs. How many on this list could have done it W/O great coach or defense or couple elite players??????

Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999

GOOD POINT.

 

[Idgit]

I’m sure, if you unpack the Dak games the story is going to look a bit different. There is probably an outlier game in there that makes the stat.

In any event, teams winning games in general at a high rate and losing most of the games they do lose to good teams is a mark of a well-coached team, and not the opposite. The alternative is dropping game you should have won. Or just winning less in general. That’s a stupid criticism that gets swallowed book, line, and sinker.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Time was (great song by Wishbone Ash, check it out) when one could measure by playoff appearances and records but that time has come and gone. Some act as if the Cowboys have actually done anything, ANYTHING, significantly in the playoffs in over two decades.

This is comparing apples to oranges, the Cowboys are only a player in the TV ratings and gossip columns. They are a mid level football team.

There is one thing many here refuse to accept, these are not those Cowboys of the 70's and 90's. They are the Browns, Lions and Skins. That's who we are, the rest is ancient history.

What I don't get are the expectations some have here for them getting a high level QB. What the hell is that based on? Their track record? What have they done since spending the 1st on a QB in 89 except depend on luck? The last two QB's fell into their lap and that's what they've come to expect, rather be lucky than good.

While some feel the Cowboys should have a better QB, one with a better pedigree, I think they're lucky to have what they have. They're the worst team at that position in the league. The fact that they had a UDFA for 10 years followed by a 4th rounder does not speak to skill but nothing more than luck.

Louder.......

 

[Teague31]

There is plenty of talent on the roster. What we have lacked is a competent coaching staff.

 

[Rayman70]

There is plenty of talent on the roster. What we have lacked is a competent coaching staff.

^^this^^ Its very simply ^^this

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

and did he mention our defense couldnt stop anyone in those games? What about our awful special teams and Punter? Thats what I thought ED.

Also Zeke and the run game not showing up. Dak haters as usual ignore that.

 

[Rayman70]

Also Zeke and the run game not showing up. Dak haters as usual ignore that.

yup theres that.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Dak isnt Mahomes. HE NEEDS all phases to be doing their jobs. We need to understand what Dak is...a solid leader and QB that needs everyone doing their jobs...and not to mention, good coaches.

Ya, Mahomes doesn't need a dendable run game, defense to get stops on 3rd down, or any resemblance of a special teams. He plays every position..

 

[Rayman70]

Ya, Mahomes doesn't need a dendable run game, defense to get stops on 3rd down, or any resemblance of a special teams. He plays every position..

ha ha...funny...but you make a good point. ALL QB's need help. EVEN the likes of Pat Mahomes. Dak still isnt him...no one is..but we need to pay the man.

 

[Rayman70]

Ya, Mahomes doesn't need a dendable run game, defense to get stops on 3rd down, or any resemblance of a special teams. He plays every position..

ED failed to mention those things in the 0-5 statement he made

 

[glimmerman]

great point!!! WELL SAID. Last I checked FOOTBALL is a team sport. You would think we didnt have a HC lol...NEVER have we seen a QB shown so much distrust and disrespect on a level that it unwarranted. Yet Carson WINCE gets rose pedals thrown in his wake lol and he has done less lol...unreal.

Agreed. I seem to remember Romo got a lot of the same disrespect. Not top 10, not worth the money..

 

[Rayman70]

never can understand the love Philly gets and Carson Wince. Its a media love affair for a guy that cant stay healthy and has done less than Dak. Yet Dak gets the mixed messages and so forth from the sports media.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Crappy coaching man....people say its a excuse but you can't overcome bad coaching. I've seen teams overcome a bad running game, a bad defense, a bad quarterback....but I've never seen a team overcome a bad head coach.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Did Dan reply to this lol?

 

[baltcowboy]

But........before we turn this into a Dak bashing, notice Garrett's record against winning teams below.




The idea here is to the issue of Dak NOT doing well against winning and/or playoff teams is more than how well he's played. This is a stigma of Garrett coached games dating back to Romo also. In other words, coaching matters.


https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...d-vs-top-teams-jerry-jones-top-coach-comment/

Defining what’s a big game is subjective, but for the purposes of this piece, beating teams with a winning record would be a good place to start. Upon examination, Garrett is not passing the test.

Using Pro Football Reference’s Team Finder to suss out each active head coach’s record against winning teams at season’s end in either the regular season or playoffs reveals a cold, hard fact. Against good teams, Garrett has been mediocre at best.

Here’s a list of all active coaches with at least one year of experience through the end of the last complete season, 2018.

Team Coach Years Active Record vs
Winning Teams Win %
New England Patriots Bill Belichick 2000-2019 107-63 0.629
Los Angeles Rams Sean McVay 2017-2019 14-10 0.583
Chicago Bears Matt Nagy 2018-2019 5-4 0.556
Indianapolis Colts Frank Reich 2018-2019 6-5 0.545
Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin 2007-2019 51-46 0.526
Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll 2010-2019 38-38 0.500
Philadelphia Eagles Doug Pederson 2016-2019 16-17 0.485
New Orelans Saints Sean Payton 2006-2019 48-52 0.480
Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid 2013-2019 25-31 0.446
Los Angeles Chargers Anthony Lynn 2017-2019 8-10 0.444
Atlanta Falcons Dan Quinn 2015-2019 15-21 0.417
Baltimore Ravens John Harbaugh 2008-2019 38-57 0.400
Carolina Panthers Ron Rivera 2011-2019 25-39-1 0.392
Dallas Cowboys Jason Garrett 2010-2019 25-43 0.367
Tennessee Titans Mike Vrabel 2018-2019 4-7 0.364
Minnesota Vikings Mike Zimmer 2014-2019 14-28 0.333
Jacksonville Jaguars Doug Marrone 2017-2019 8-17 0.320
Houston Texans Bill O’Brien 2014-2019 13-32 0.289
San Francisco 49ers Kyle Shanahan 2017-2019 4-13 0.235
Oakland Raiders Jon Gruden 2018-2019 3-10 0.231
Buffalo Bills Sean McDermott 2017-2019 4-14 0.222
New York Giants Pat Shurmur 2018-2019 2-10 0.167
Detroit Lions Matt Patricia 2018-2019 1-9 0.100

What a tool Orlosky is. He left out that the playoff teams that he had the most turnovers against were the Eagles three times and the Saints once. Dak was 2-1 against Wince he led the Cowboys to both of those wins. Dak also led the Cowboys on the game winning drive against the Saints.

 

[Brax]

Awesome stuff!

Well done!

Much appreciate your efforts good sir!


I love how an attempt to undermine the quarterback succeeds only in further exposing the sheer incompetence of the former head coach.

There are some good HC in the group of .400 and below, most don't get it done with out a good QB or a top D.

 

[Flamma]

But........before we turn this into a Dak bashing, notice Garrett's record against winning teams below.

Garrett's major flaw was getting the team to believe they could win a championship and play with high intensity. He had a couple of good years but most of the time the Cowboys were playing from the fetal position waiting for the beatings to stop.