Werder on 103.3 today - 01/06/09

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41gy#;2559118 said:
I thought it was interesting that Werder was very confident that the coaches instructed Romo on the turnovers.
Does it really matter if they isntructed him on turnovers?

That first INT is in large part on Garrett's idiot playcalling. With (1) the safeties playing extremely deep, (2) the running game working tremendously, and (3) a hobbled QB, you don't call a bootleg out of a 2-TE set with both receivers running deep routes.

I swear, it doesn't get much dumber than that. It's okay to take a deep shot early in the game, to loosen the defense up. But for chrissakes, the defense doesn't get much looser than playing 30 yards off the LOS.
 

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theogt;2559125 said:
Does it really matter if they isntructed him on turnovers?

That first INT is in large part on Garrett's idiot playcalling. With (1) the safeties playing extremely deep, (2) the running game working tremendously, and (3) a hobbled QB, you don't call a bootleg out of a 2-TE set with both receivers running deep routes.

I swear, it doesn't get much dumber than that. It's okay to take a deep shot early in the game, to loosen the defense up. But for chrissakes, the defense doesn't get much looser than playing 30 yards off the LOS.

Tecmo likes to go for the jugular every freaking down, doesnt matter what the defense is doing.

You are 100% correct on dumb-arse play calling. Who the hell calls for a bootleg, double-go route when the safeties are in deep cover 2 shell???

You have to be a complete dumb arse to even think of calling that type of play against that type of defense, but apparently Coach Tecmo thinks he is the smartest guy in the room:rolleyes:
 

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If we're gonna win number 6, Felix Jones/Taschard Choice/Marion Barber will have to be three very tired men by the end of the season.

Tony isn't built to drop back 40 times a game, and neither is our offensive line.
 

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Romo is my guy. I love the gunslinger attitude that a QB can have but also am well aware of the dangers that go with it. But when it's all said and done there is no reason whatsoever why we couldn't manage things better by running down peoples throats with Barber, Jones and Choice next year. Romo doesn't have the strongest arm but he's pretty damn efficient when protected. Combo a three headed running game with Romo having more pass plays suited for his skill of efficiency passing (the Marc Bulger run offense of the Lambs in 2003 keeps jumping into my head) vs. bomb throwing and you can probably reduce his errors.

Totally agree with the dumb play calling inside our own 10. What the hell, you protect and play for field position. Give your opponent nothing to work with. Watching the Indy/SD game with Manning on that 3rd and 2 late in the 4th on his own 10 with a no Back set reminded me of some of the dumb garbage we call. What the hell were they thinking?
 

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Apollo Creed;2559156 said:
If we're gonna win number 6, Felix Jones/Taschard Choice/Marion Barber will have to be three very tired men by the end of the season.

Tony isn't built to drop back 40 times a game, and neither is our offensive line.

Exactly, you have to run the ball to win in the NFL.

Coach Tecmo calling 45 pass plays against the Ravens has to go down as one of the most dumb-arse things I have ever seen.

Against one of the best front 7 in the NFL he calls 45 pass plays with Proctor in the lineup:confused:

I am seriously at a loss for words.......wow, just wow.:mad:
 

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Beast_from_East;2559124 said:
Yea, I agree that the mole is probably a bottom feeder (like Barbie) or a position coach. (Like Todd Haley leaking info on TO to the media).

Todd leaked it for Bill and make no mistake about that
 

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Chocolate Lab;2558931 said:
Says (amazingly) that Garrett and Wilson and Phillips aren't to blame for Tony's turnovers


"Hold On.... to the ball.... for one more play"

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Kangaroo;2559172 said:
Todd leaked it for Bill and make no mistake about that

I dont doubt that at all, Tuna absolutely hated TO.

When he would only refer to TO as "the player", I knew there was going to be problems.

If Tuna had any balls at all, he would have just manned up and said "hell no I dont want TO here" instead of playing dumb arse games like "the player".

The media asked him repeatedly if he had a problem with TO being here and he never one time said he did. Thus, he is a liar and a hypocrit in my book and I am freaking thrilled that the Ravens kicked their arse in the first round.
 

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41gy#;2558987 said:
Werder needs to go to Bill Parcells School for Offensive Football Game Mangement. Then, he needs to tell Jason Garrett to go, too.

It is the coaches job to help the quarterback manage the game. How do you do this, especially with a gunslinger like Tony Romo?

Hmm. Let's see.

1. You manage the game based on field position. Hey, Jason. That means don't put your quarterback in risky positions by calling vertical pass plays when backed up in your own territory. That could mean calling safer plays in the passing game or simple run it and punt it.

(ie. Don't call deep fade routes in the wind while deep at your own end, Don't call pass plays when backed up inside your own 5 yard line, especially when you have seen the heat the quarterback is under, ect... Use your running game or screens or shorter throws. Give yourself some room before you allow Romo to launch missles or throw down the field, especially against top defenses or in tight defensive games. You need to have "the feel" of the game and manage it. That is instinctive.

2. Tony Romo needs structure and discipline built into the offensive system. He needs parameters set for him in regards to his risk taking, not a leash, but parameters. He needs a quarterbacks coach who will not allow him to be sloppy with his fundamentals. Romo has less than 3 years of real time experience.

How do you get structure and discipline in the offense. Hmm. You don't run a Tecmo Bowl offense where you live and die by the bomb or plays over 20 yards. This wasn't Norv Turner's offense. This wasn't even the offense I saw last year. There are plenty of other intermediate and short pass patterns you can run. There are even routes designed to get the ball out faster when facing severe heat. Plus, getting the ball out of the quarterbacks hand faster, instead of looking for the kill shot too much, actually allows you to move the ball and protect your quarterback.

Which leads me to number 3. Playcalling

3. You can protect Tony Romo with your playcalling and run game. That wasn't Tony Romo torching the Giants on third down in the playoff game last year after heavy runs were called and executed, was it? Why are we throwing the ball 45 times against the Ravens? Your passing game has to be more efficient. Tony Romo is a very efficient passer. Romo missed two deep throws, and both could have been TDs. However, when you live by the bomb, you die by the bomb. Giving him higher percentage throws or routes and allowing him to work the ball down the field, patiently, would allow you to over come the over throws in that game.


We need to cut Romo a little slack with his comments after the game. He is under enormous pressure, and he was managed very, very poorly in some of the critical losses.

It is the offensive coordinator's job to help the quarterback manage the game. He has to set parameters for the quarterback and protect the quarterback through his play calling and game plans and in game adjustments. Garrett was inconsistent in doing this. It cost the Cowboys.

All of this makes perfect sense.

But when was this ever the Cowboys offense over the last two seasons?

We have never been a consistent offense and I hate it.

The offensive line was giving Romo all sorts of time to sit back and let the deep routes develop in the past so he got comfortable with that aspect of the offense.

This season he was a gunslinger who was constantly trying to hit the big one because it's what he knew. Like you said he's only two years into being the starting QB. In time he needs to understand just like Garrett, that at times you have to grind out a win with the offense.

But back to the consisteny issue. We stunk against the Ravens for three quarters on offense and then in the 4th it was all working to plan.

So then this entire offense once again falls back into that 'we are a big play offense that no one can stop when we are on' mode.

That's actually a bad thing because this offense has a nickname and it's 'Sybil'. They have multiple personalities from week to week.

In 2009 they need to find one identity and stick with it. That identity is to be a consistent unit that will not make stupid mistakes and can go on a 10 play drive and not be mad about taking that many plays to put points on the board.

Simplify the game plans and simplify the play calling as well. Every receiver doesn't need an 'option' on their route and Romo doesn't need 3 plays going thru his mind when he steps to the LOS. We are all tired of Romo calling out 'kill, kill, kill' 3 out of every 5 times he gets under Center.

On both sides of the ball the 'cuteness' needs to go. Wade and his 132 defensive packages aren't needed either. We saw the defensive secondary confused on many occasions too. We even saw them with a few 12 men in the huddle penalties which is not acceptable more than 1 time a season.

In essence the Dallas Cowboys need to back to being football players and leave the 'rocket science stuff' to actual rocket scientists.
 

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Romo will always be turnover prone because he believes that he can make every throw when its not true. Even Brady last year who was unstoppable the rare times there was nothing there he knew not to force it and throw it away. ive always thought that to be a great QB that its more important you realize what your weaknesses than focusing on your strengths. If you know what you cant do then you are hesitant to ever do one of those things.
 

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theogt;2559021 said:
I think it's probably a better decision to just fix the O-line and not have guys coming free almost literally every single snap, than force Tony to be a game manager and not take risks.

But one thing's for sure, you can't have both a consistently terrible O-line and an injured Tony being careless.

both things have to be worked on theo
if we use the analogy that the QB is the field general, then the field general needs to be protected but he also needs to make good decisions and be responsible for his decisions.

it is not either or
 

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41gy#;2558987 said:
Werder needs to go to Bill Parcells School for Offensive Football Game Mangement. Then, he needs to tell Jason Garrett to go, too.

It is the coaches job to help the quarterback manage the game. How do you do this, especially with a gunslinger like Tony Romo?

Hmm. Let's see.

1. You manage the game based on field position. Hey, Jason. That means don't put your quarterback in risky positions by calling vertical pass plays when backed up in your own territory. That could mean calling safer plays in the passing game or simple run it and punt it.

(ie. Don't call deep fade routes in the wind while deep at your own end, Don't call pass plays when backed up inside your own 5 yard line, especially when you have seen the heat the quarterback is under, ect... Use your running game or screens or shorter throws. Give yourself some room before you allow Romo to launch missles or throw down the field, especially against top defenses or in tight defensive games. You need to have "the feel" of the game and manage it. That is instinctive.

2. Tony Romo needs structure and discipline built into the offensive system. He needs parameters set for him in regards to his risk taking, not a leash, but parameters. He needs a quarterbacks coach who will not allow him to be sloppy with his fundamentals. Romo has less than 3 years of real time experience.

How do you get structure and discipline in the offense. Hmm. You don't run a Tecmo Bowl offense where you live and die by the bomb or plays over 20 yards. This wasn't Norv Turner's offense. This wasn't even the offense I saw last year. There are plenty of other intermediate and short pass patterns you can run. There are even routes designed to get the ball out faster when facing severe heat. Plus, getting the ball out of the quarterbacks hand faster, instead of looking for the kill shot too much, actually allows you to move the ball and protect your quarterback.

Which leads me to number 3. Playcalling

3. You can protect Tony Romo with your playcalling and run game. That wasn't Tony Romo torching the Giants on third down in the playoff game last year after heavy runs were called and executed, was it? Why are we throwing the ball 45 times against the Ravens? Your passing game has to be more efficient. Tony Romo is a very efficient passer. Romo missed two deep throws, and both could have been TDs. However, when you live by the bomb, you die by the bomb. Giving him higher percentage throws or routes and allowing him to work the ball down the field, patiently, would allow you to over come the over throws in that game.


We need to cut Romo a little slack with his comments after the game. He is under enormous pressure, and he was managed very, very poorly in some of the critical losses.

It is the offensive coordinator's job to help the quarterback manage the game. He has to set parameters for the quarterback and protect the quarterback through his play calling and game plans and in game adjustments. Garrett was inconsistent in doing this. It cost the Cowboys.


:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
 

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stasheroo;2558943 said:
I think the deal with Romo turning the ball over might be an example of a bigger problem. What happens to Romo if he continues to turn the ball over? Not much. It's not like the team could even consider benching him. And I think there are plenty of guys sitting in that same position. "I screwed up? Yeah, so what." "What are you gonna do about it?"


I'm begining to come around to this way of thinking. I've been against signing some " real " competition for Romo because I was afraid all it would do is divide the lockerroom even more than it is right now. If thing are bad now, you don't want to see it with a QB controversy.

However, if TR's attitude is going to be like that ( that comment about the coaching staff stressing how much he needed to take care of the ball against the Steelers and Ravens but he didn't listen really bothers me ) I have no problems if the Cowboys choose to draft somebody early, or sign a capable vet, and open up the job in camp.

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41gy#;2558987 said:
How do you get structure and discipline in the offense. Hmm. You don't run a Tecmo Bowl offense where you live and die by the bomb or plays over 20 yards. This wasn't Norv Turner's offense. This wasn't even the offense I saw last year. There are plenty of other intermediate and short pass patterns you can run. There are even routes designed to get the ball out faster when facing severe heat. Plus, getting the ball out of the quarterbacks hand faster, instead of looking for the kill shot too much, actually allows you to move the ball and protect your quarterback.


:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
 

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Terence Newman700;2559108 said:
i may be in the minority.....but i actually like Romo's I Don't Care attitude.....

I 4 1 don't think he literally doesn't care...hes just sick of the Media..the bashing, and expectations of the fans...so he acts like whatever to piss everyone off....and not give the media a chance to bash him n poke fun at the fact hes down n out

When you basically say hey whatever, there not many deep questions the media can ask....and maybe it really isnt getting to him

lol id be the same way....."yea whatever, **** happens"


If Troy Aikman was like that when he played, hey, no problem. He's won 3 Superbowls and had every right to feel that way.

TR ? No so much. He's done absolutely nothing to earn the right to be dismissive of anybody.
 

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theogt;2559125 said:
Does it really matter if they isntructed him on turnovers?

That first INT is in large part on Garrett's idiot playcalling. With (1) the safeties playing extremely deep, (2) the running game working tremendously, and (3) a hobbled QB, you don't call a bootleg out of a 2-TE set with both receivers running deep routes.

I swear, it doesn't get much dumber than that. It's okay to take a deep shot early in the game, to loosen the defense up. But for chrissakes, the defense doesn't get much looser than playing 30 yards off the LOS.

Here's a thought: THROW THE BALL AWAY...

Idiot play calling does not mean turnover. Even if Garrett was Chan Gailey ( another one who everybody thought was a moron who couldn't call plays ) the QB does NOT have to throw the ball in bounds. Chuck it out of bounds and live for another day.
 

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Randy White;2559268 said:
Here's a thought: THROW THE BALL AWAY...

Idiot play calling does not mean turnover. Even if Garrett was Chan Gailey ( another one who everybody thought was a moron who couldn't call plays ) the QB does NOT have to throw the ball in bounds. Chuck it out of bounds and live for another day.
If he were healthy, he makes a nice toss for a TD. All he needs is about 5 more yards on that ball and it's all RW11.

But why put him on the move, not being healthy, to make that throw?
 

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theogt;2559366 said:
If he were healthy, he makes a nice toss for a TD. All he needs is about 5 more yards on that ball and it's all RW11.

But why put him on the move, not being healthy, to make that throw?

He did have RW on that throw, but couldn't get it there. He also had receivers underneath he could have gotten it to. I don't have a problem with Tony being aggressive there, given the field position, but he throws well on the move and had options. That pick wasn't the fault of the play call.
 

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theogt;2559366 said:
If he were healthy, he makes a nice toss for a TD. All he needs is about 5 more yards on that ball and it's all RW11.

But why put him on the move, not being healthy, to make that throw?

He's still the only guy on the field with the ball, right ? If there's one commandment that he should have engraved in his head, #7:Throwing the ball away is a good play was it.

I don't care if it's Jessica Simpson calling the plays.
 

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Randy White;2559256 said:
I'm begining to come around to this way of thinking. I've been against signing some " real " competition for Romo because I was afraid all it would do is divide the lockerroom even more than it is right now. If thing are bad now, you don't want to see it with a QB controversy.

However, if TR's attitude is going to be like that ( that comment about the coaching staff stressing how much he needed to take care of the ball against the Steelers and Ravens but he didn't listen really bothers me ) I have no problems if the Cowboys choose to draft somebody early, or sign a capable vet, and open up the job in camp.

:starspin

How the hell are you going to "open up the job in camp" when Romo's contract is larger than than the GDP of a small 3rd world country???

You going to let a mid-round rookie or a retread vet compete with Romo for the starting job......seriously???

So what you going to do with Romo then? You cant release him or trade him without a massive cap hit, so that wont work.

You going to make him a backup making that type of coin? How the hell is that going to fix team chemistry when the backup QB is in the top 5 paid guys in the entire freaking league and a huge chunk of that contract is guaranteed???

There are consequences to giving players more money than is in Fort Knoxx. One of the biggest problems is they play no matter what. When you are making that type of coin, you cant be released, you cant be traded, and you cant be made a backup, especially if a large chunk of that small fortune you have is guaranteed by the team.

We are stuck with Romo whether we like it or not. He is going to be the starting QB for at least the next 3 seasons before any releastic talk of release, trade, or backup............Its just caponomics 101.
 
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