We've only drafted 3 QB's since 1991?

[riverside4]

Look at our track record at drafting qbs. No wonder why we signed tony until he's almost 40. Damn.

Track record we don't have one man. Team doesn't waste picks on Qb,s to many say its to hard and don't want to go trough those years. I think you have to in today's game i hope they start this year.

 

[Echo9]

Speculating a bit more on the Steelers common practice of drafting QBs, lets look at who they could have taken instead. Yes, I know this is a thin argument and playing the could have/should have game is a bit weak, but I'm just illustrating a point that taking a QB just to take on -- even in later rounds -- can have a negative impact.
I looked at these drafts and picked players who were taken within 10-15 picks of that QB.

2008 Kellen Davis TE, Carl Nicks OG
2006 Delanie Walker TE, Laurence Vickers FB
2004 Rothlisberger was clearly the best option there.
2003 Dan Koppen C
2000 Mark Bulger QB(yeah , I know but shows what a crapshoot evaluating is ) , Dhani Jones LB
1996 Marco Rivera OG,
1995 Kordell was a good pick, but Curtis Martin was available.
1994 Lee Woodall LB
1993 Pretty much just other QBs here in Elvis Grbac and Trent Green
1992 no one but it's 12 round at this point.

 

[conner01]

skins have drafted 12, bengals have drafted 7 in the same time period. it's not about how many you draft. but how good of a player you draft.

 

[riverside4]

Speculating a bit more on the Steelers common practice of drafting QBs, lets look at who they could have taken instead. Yes, I know this is a thin argument and playing the could have/should have game is a bit weak, but I'm just illustrating a point that taking a QB just to take on -- even in later rounds -- can have a negative impact.
I looked at these drafts and picked players who were taken within 10-15 picks of that QB.

2008 Kellen Davis TE, Carl Nicks OG
2006 Delanie Walker TE, Laurence Vickers FB
2004 Rothlisberger was clearly the best option there.
2003 Dan Koppen C
2000 Mark Bulger QB(yeah , I know but shows what a crapshoot evaluating is ) , Dhani Jones LB
1996 Marco Rivera OG,
1995 Kordell was a good pick, but Curtis Martin was available.
1994 Lee Woodall LB
1993 Pretty much just other QBs here in Elvis Grbac and Trent Green
1992 no one but it's 12 round at this point.

Ok then whats your plan if you think we should never buy a lottery ticket seems like no chance of wining if you don't buy one. The game has changed and college programs have been getting better kids are faster,stronger,etc but you don't know unless you try its a crap shoot just like anything these days.

 

[Echo9]

I think that the point was, since we drafted Aikman with a high pick, we've done little in terms of replenishing the position? Jerry has never had a long-term plan for this team and has hung on to the two talented QB's others have brought him, with death-grip urgency for over 20 years. Rather than plan for their replacements, he holds (will hold) onto them past their expiration date, seldom wasting assets on their replacement while he could win big or at least keep people buying tickets in the current season.

When you have a QB like Aikman, there's no reason to waste a pick on the off chance that you could develop him enough to get a higher pick than the one spent. The percentages for that are very low. We did succeed in that with Steve Walsh, but it's a matter of spent resources vs likelihood of return. Low percentage.

The mistake made by the Cowboys was failing to properly forecast when Aikman's tenure would end and preparing for that properly. That led to some very ugly years.

We will need to prepare for a time without Romo, but this year isn't the one to do it. With shorter rookie contracts, long term development of QBs is a thing of the past. Drafting a QB in 2015 makes perfect sense, but not in 2013.

 

[riverside4]

skins have drafted 12, bengals have drafted 7 in the same time period. it's not about how many you draft. but how good of a player you draft.

Bingo
Key word DRAFT have to try and do a good job of it.

 

[Echo9]

Ok then whats your plan if you think we should never buy a lottery ticket seems like no chance of wining if you don't buy one. The game has changed and college programs have been getting better kids are faster,stronger,etc but you don't know unless you try its a crap shoot just like anything these days.

My plan is to draft a QB in 2015 when it looks like Romo will be wrapping up his career. Gives us a year or two to develop him. If we take one this year, he'd be a FA before Romo retires.

 

[NickZepp]

When you have a QB like Aikman, there's no reason to waste a pick on the off chance that you could develop him enough to get a higher pick than the one spent. The percentages for that are very low. We did succeed in that with Steve Walsh, but it's a matter of spent resources vs likelihood of return. Low percentage.

The mistake made by the Cowboys was failing to properly forecast when Aikman's tenure would end and preparing for that properly. That led to some very ugly years.

We will need to prepare for a time without Romo, but this year isn't the one to do it. With shorter rookie contracts, long term development of QBs is a thing of the past. Drafting a QB in 2015 makes perfect sense, but not in 2013.

If we had Troy Aikman in 2000-2005 I'm not sure he makes a huge difference. We had overall talent issues.

 

[erod]

I'll criticize the drafting as much as anyone, and yes, they should take more QBs, but I will offer a bit of defense for the team here.

First off, they had Aikman through most of the 90s. Second, both Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson would have likely been highly drafted quarterbacks, so they should count in some regard.

But the Quincy Carter pick was just stupid, as was the Stephen McGee pick. McGee stunk in college and lost his job, and yet Jerry drafted him anyway.

The Packers have been brilliant at this. They draft good quarterbacks, then turn them into trades for high picks later.

Just during the Farve era, the Packers drafted Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselback, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Ty Detmer....and turned them into high draft picks, except for Rodgers obviously.

 

[DFWJC]

I kind of like the way the packers took a few guys over the span of 2006 and 2008 even if they had already taken Rodgers.

I think the team should take a guy low round every draft. Keep one guy on the roster and the other on the practice squad. You have 2 years to show enough improvement to avoid getting bumped off by the next guy coming in.

I kind of agree. But maybe take one every 2-3 years.
Nobody--not even the most QB crazy teams--take a QB every draft.

3 in 21 years is crazy though

 

[riverside4]

When you have a QB like Aikman, there's no reason to waste a pick on the off chance that you could develop him enough to get a higher pick than the one spent. The percentages for that are very low. We did succeed in that with Steve Walsh, but it's a matter of spent resources vs likelihood of return. Low percentage.

The mistake made by the Cowboys was failing to properly forecast when Aikman's tenure would end and preparing for that properly. That led to some very ugly years.

We will need to prepare for a time without Romo, but this year isn't the one to do it. With shorter rookie contracts, long term development of QBs is a thing of the past. Drafting a QB in 2015 makes perfect sense, but not in 2013.

You do have a good point but i don't think you can wait for that point in time. Thinking your gonna hit that yr is a bad strategy what happens if hes a bust then you panic the next year and reach or dish out money to a free agent. Look at the Pats they had Bledsoe but picked Brady in latter rounds they didn't plan that or need a Qb for a while. Yes they got lucky with Brady but if they didn't Draft a QB until they needed one they would have missed out.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would love to see the reaction should Dallas use a 1st or 2nd to get a QB in this draft. :laugh2:

Many of you would be hollering from the roof tops of we need OL or we need DL. Only problem I see are spoiled brats who complain constantly and it is the same people day after day.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

And in the same time period:

NYG:
1992 Dave Brown and Kent Graham
1996 Danny Kanell
1997 Mike Cherry
2001 Jesse Palmer
2004 Phillip Rivers (Eli Manning)
2007 Andre Woodson
2009 Rhett Bomar

PHI:
1992 Casey Weldon
1995 Dave Barr
1996 Bobby Hoying
1997 Koy Detmer
1999 Donovan McNabb
2001 AJ Feeley
2004 Andy Hall
2007 Kevin Kolb
2010 Mike Kafka
2012 Nick Foles

There are two ways to bring in players: the draft and FA. How many FA QBs did these teams bring in during the same time? That might even out the numbers a little. I don't know. I do know the other NFC East teams took more QBs in the draft and most of the QBs taken failed. Philly got lucky and suckered teams into trading for their garbage QB picks in Kolb and Feeley. So, at least give JJ some credit for not wasting picks on QBs most likely to fail.

 

[riverside4]

I would love to see the reaction should Dallas use a 1st or 2nd to get a QB in this draft. :laugh2:

Many of you would be hollering from the roof tops of we need OL or we need DL. Only problem I see are spoiled brats who complain constantly and it is the same people day after day.

I would love it if its the BEST rated player left when we draft.

 

[DFWJC]

I would love to see the reaction should Dallas use a 1st or 2nd to get a QB in this draft. :laugh2:

Many of you would be hollering from the roof tops of we need OL or we need DL. Only problem I see are spoiled brats who complain constantly and it is the same people day after day.

:laugh2:
It would be disasterous.
They could take on a project very once in a while for sure. But taking a QB that early, THIS year, would be horrifying

 

[Echo9]

If we had Troy Aikman in 2000-2005 I'm not sure he makes a huge difference. We had overall talent issues.

You are correct. However, there seem to be some that think there's no real difference between those teams and the one we have now. They think that it's all the same since we didn't make a run in the playoffs in 2000-2005 or now, it's all the same. I am not one of those people. The difference is that now we have a very good QB. If we can improve the talent level a bit more, we can be good enough to make a run. Add some luck and we can go far.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would love it if its the BEST rated player left when we draft.

I have no issue with that but some hollering about QB would be jumping all over the place about how we needed OL or DL and how stupid the front office is as if they had a fricken clue as to run anything but their mouth. It is really gotten old in here with the same BS day in and day out.

 

[Doomsday101]

:laugh2:
It would be disasterous.
They could take on a project very once in a while for sure. But taking a QB that early, THIS year, would be horrifying

I think taking a QB is not bad deal we took one 4 years ago people did not like it then either. Fact is no matter who the Cowboys take the same people who come here to complain will find fault in the player we take. That is what they do they have nothing to say unless it is complaining.

 

[speedkilz88]

When you have a QB like Aikman, there's no reason to waste a pick on the off chance that you could develop him enough to get a higher pick than the one spent. The percentages for that are very low. We did succeed in that with Steve Walsh, but it's a matter of spent resources vs likelihood of return. Low percentage.

The mistake made by the Cowboys was failing to properly forecast when Aikman's tenure would end and preparing for that properly. That led to some very ugly years.

We will need to prepare for a time without Romo, but this year isn't the one to do it. With shorter rookie contracts, long term development of QBs is a thing of the past. Drafting a QB in 2015 makes perfect sense, but not in 2013.

The pick of Walsh was actually a loss. They did get 1,2,3 from saints but they lost the 1st pick in the 1990 draft which was worth more as the Falcons proved with the Jeff George trade and the Cowboys could have kept the pick and drafted Junior Seau (whom Jimmy loved) or Cortez Kennedy.

 

[joseephuss]

I'll criticize the drafting as much as anyone, and yes, they should take more QBs, but I will offer a bit of defense for the team here.

First off, they had Aikman through most of the 90s. Second, both Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson would have likely been highly drafted quarterbacks, so they should count in some regard.

But the Quincy Carter pick was just stupid, as was the Stephen McGee pick. McGee stunk in college and lost his job, and yet Jerry drafted him anyway.

The Packers have been brilliant at this. They draft good quarterbacks, then turn them into trades for high picks later.

Just during the Farve era, the Packers drafted Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselback, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Ty Detmer....and turned them into high draft picks, except for Rodgers obviously.

Not all of the QBs that the Packers have drafted were good in college. Flynn and Brooks had very similar college careers and production to McGee's.

Stephen McGee didn't lose his starting job in college. He got injured and had to be replaced. Big difference. The McGee pick wasn't stupid. The 4th round was a good spot to get a QB and McGee was the best available at that spot in that particular draft. Look at the other QBs drafted that year. Not a lot to choose from especially after the 1st round. It is a crap shoot.

Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Pat White
Stephen McGee
Rhett Bomar
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Mike Teel
Keith Null
Curtis Painter

The Packers ability to turn average at best QBs into draft picks is more about their system and reputation rather than the player himself. If the Packers drafted McGee, they could have probably flipped him for a pick as well.