what 5 players are you most impressed by so far?

[Dallas31]

Pro Bowlers?

Will only happen if we make playoffs.

Guys on All Pro deserve list -

Bledsoe
Glenn
Witten
Williams
Newman

Pro Bowl and All-Pro are 2 differnet things remember. Those guys mentioned my be in the running for Pro Bowl, but All-Pro is a lot more exclusive, and I don't see all 5 being strongly considered for All Pro.

 

[AdamJT13]

Sorry, Adam..but I refuse to play that nitpicking game of who made a bad play and when, no matter how much you try to bait me into it.

It's kind of ridiculous how you've twisted this thread just to avoid answering a simple question.

No I don't have to go back and see the no-huddle completion to Jurevicious for about 13 yds last week,

See, there you go. You can say, "Newman did not play very well when he allowed an 11-yard completion to Joe Jurevicius in the second quarter against Seattle." That's all it takes. Now we know what your standards are for playing "consistently very well."

or back to Oakland to know Tnew is not perfect.

Was there a play against Oakland on which you'd care to claim Newman didn't play very well?

And I thought this discussion was about playing "very well," not perfect.

Or bring up a PI penalty.

You're right, it would be pointless to bring up something that hasn't happened all season.

I am sorry I even mentioned those. Because that is not the way to understand, much less appreciate this game.

No, whatever we do, let's not discuss specifics. It's much more useful to deal in generalities, perceptions and rhetoric without getting bogged down by reality.

That micro-analysis is meaningless, and it's what obscures the real value of the player and the game. That is the fantasy football, bring it all down to numbers mentality by which you try to convince yourself yoru understanding of the game is superior to others'. But you miss the heart of the game with your insistance on naming bad plays and numbers crunching, imo; it becomes a soulness exercise of oneupsmanship, and not the celebration of athleticism and spirit that football is.

"That's all you want" because that's 'it' for you. But it is not for me.

You see, Adam, there is a 'rationale' behind my opinion and it's about will over skill, about transcendence, even for player as talented as Tnew. No one is perfect and that no-huddle completion is meaningless in the larger scheme of things. What matters is the player, and team improve over time.

The standard by which I judge Tnew like all players, inexplicable to you perhaps, is what he can be.

So when hasn't Newman played like "what he can be?" So far you've identified one 11-yard completion to Jurevicius -- as if someday he'll never allow an 11-yard completion.

Or were you talking about "what he can be" in the sense of celebrating his athleticism and spirit?

Convince yourself your bringing a game as complex as football, with the so many human variables abounding, can be explained away with an explanation of a 79 yard completion to Moss or a much shorter one to Jurevcious.

So Newman wasn't "what he can be" when he chased down Randy Moss from behind for a touchdown-saving tackle? As if he'll someday be able to cover his man AND someone else's man to prevent someone else from getting beaten for a 79-yard catch? Or will he someday be able to chase down Randy Moss from behind, steal the ball, then run it back for a touchdown?

But since the need to win something here is obviously so important to you, let me ONCE MORE reiterate that despite his misjudgments this year (the player is human, after all) he has made some nice progress.

Should you ever want to seriously discuss how he is using a narrower base these days on his bump and runs, how how much sharper he angles his hips, and how he doesn't break behind the ball when trying to make a play on it, you know where to find me.

OK, so which of those isn't he doing very well? Wait, I know, there are too many human variables abounding for anyone to discuss his technique with specific examples.

Those are the areas of Tnew's development that are wotth discussing, imho, not a sophomoric challege to find and name his "bad plays".

You're the one who said there have been times Newman hasn't played very well this season. If you're going to say that, then you should be prepared to identify them. If you refuse to do that or can't do that, then you don't really have a credible case.

 

[tyke1doe]

You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask of the Lone Ranger and you don't get into an argument with AdamJT13 and not bring facts to the debate.

I agree with you Adam. If you're going to say someone made bad plays, you've got to point to something more objective than subjective analysis.

 

[Nors]

I side with Adam on this one.

Newman to my eyes is having a very good season.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't know. I see both sides. But that's the waffler in me.

I can see Adam's point of wanting to identify specifically on what play T-New may have done in a game which didn't warrant praise. Because we all want to something we can point to and say Ah-ha!! or at least have something to debate within context of the overall discussion.

However, I don't think LTN is saying he's not playing well. I think. (Reading novellas for posts tend to require more than one reading... ) Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, her thing is that as a top #5 pick, he's playing the way he's supposed to and maybe doesn't require those extra props due to his draft status. She reserves those for the lower round gems. Her opinion of T-New is not just based on his game play, but on his overall mechanics. So that's why she chooses not to identify a specific play.

Just my take on it...

Personally, I hope LTN responds. It's a good discussion.

 

[TNCowboy]

You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask of the Lone Ranger and you don't get into an argument with AdamJT13 and not bring facts to the debate.

I agree with you Adam. If you're going to say someone made bad plays, you've got to point to something more objective than subjective analysis.

No kidding. She has no point whatsoever. She'll probably go back to rambling on about Terry Glenn or the Jets or how somebody has to be perfect to "impress" her.

 

[TNCowboy]

Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, her thing is that as a top #5 pick, he's playing the way he's supposed to and maybe doesn't require those extra props due to his draft status. She reserves those for the lower round gems. Her opinion of T-New is not just based on his game play, but on his overall mechanics. So that's why she chooses not to identify a specific play.

Just my take on it...

Personally, I hope LTN responds. It's a good discussion.

So I shouldn't have been impressed by Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin because they were 1st rounders?

 

[WoodysGirl]

So I shouldn't have been impressed by Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin because they were 1st rounders?

That's silly and not what I was saying. I stand by the fact that I see both sides.

Sometimes people get extra props for doing what you're supposed to do. If Michael Vick has a 300-yd PASSING day, he'll get all kinds of props for it. The thing is, that's what Vick is SUPPOSED to do. Should he get extra props for it.

Newman was a #5 pick overall. The way he's playing now is what we've seen him do (rookie year), a little disappointed that he didn't do as well (2004), and expected he could do again. (And yes it's great the way he's playing. I'm luving the licks he's putting on people.)

But let's say it was Jacques Reeves out there covering people like a wet blanket. As a 7th round pick, there would be alot more to be impressed by, simply because it was unexpected.

No one is saying you shouldn't be impressed by someone drafted in the 1st rd. People do amazing things no matter where they're drafted. Latuna's standard is if you're drafted in the 1st round and producing like a 1st rounder should, she's not as impressed as if it was an undrafted FA.

Personally, I'm impressed at the overall D and the intensity at which they're playing. Like fire...

 

[TNCowboy]

No one is saying you shouldn't be impressed by someone drafted in the 1st rd. People do amazing things no matter where they're drafted. Latuna's standard is if you're drafted in the 1st round and producing like a 1st rounder should, she's not as impressed as if it was an undrafted FA.

That would be reasonable, if that's what she had said. She said, "there are no players to my mind playing consistently very well." That's garbage, and everyone who read it knows it was.

Her point seems to be, Terry Glenn, Bill Parcells, J-E-T-S, and TNew isn't playing very well, and if he is, it doesn't matter because he's a top 5 pick, and he isn't up to Ty Law's standards because Law looked more fluid.....or something like that.

 

[AdamJT13]

Exactly, Double Trouble, this isn't about giving Newman "props" or being impressed by him or saying he's playing better than, worse than or up to the expectations for him. It's about being reasonable about what constitutes "playing consistently very well" -- and coming up with some sort of evidence or explanation to support the claims that Newman isn't. LTN might think Newman could play better (don't we all), but that alone is not justification for claiming that he isn't playing well already.

 

[Nors]

Our Defense has stepped up a notch and will do so further. Newman will have a big second half. To my eyes he's played very well this year.

 

[tyke1doe]

Exactly, Double Trouble, this isn't about giving Newman "props" or being impressed by him or saying he's playing better than, worse than or up to the expectations for him. It's about being reasonable about what constitutes "playing consistently very well" -- and coming up with some sort of evidence or explanation to support the claims that Newman isn't. LTN might think Newman could play better (don't we all), but that alone is not justification for claiming that he isn't playing well already.

To add on Adam's point, last year, we could see plays where TNew took the wrong angle or reacted late to a ball in the air or him getting beat by a receiver.

To my observation (and I've seen every Cowboys game this season) I have yet to see Newman commit those type errors. Now maybe I'm not looking closely and I'll admit that. But he is playing vastly better than he was last year - the year he was hampered with a bad shoulder and had virtually no help on the other corner position or via defensive pressure on the quarterback.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

However, I don't think LTN is saying he's not playing well. I think. (Reading novellas for posts tend to require more than one reading... ) Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, her thing is that as a top #5 pick, he's playing the way he's supposed to and maybe doesn't require those extra props due to his draft status. She reserves those for the lower round gems. Her opinion of T-New is not just based on his game play, but on his overall mechanics. So that's why she chooses not to identify a specific play.

Just my take on it...

Personally, I hope LTN responds. It's a good discussion.

WG, I will respond to you.

Altho the thread has degenerated into "LTN says Tnew hasn't played well this year", the original very subjective thread title was "what five players have impressed YOU the most this year?"

My response was that none (certainly not singling out Tnew) have played consistently well enough to please ME. Now could it be that Jets fans have actually developed higher standards than Cowboys fans over the past few years? :laugh2: Or is just that my particular, subjective criterion for being impressed differ from another poster's?

No matter. When a discussion is framed so subjectively one would think participants might understand that the range of opinions will be broad, and not be threatened by another's opinion.

I've spent enough time on this nonsense. But I will let everyone know when I am impressed.

I will end tho, by saying what saves threads like this from reading like mean-spirited, infantile diatribes are wit and perspective. Unfortunately, neither of those essential elements of adult discourse are present here. We usually do manage to save ourselves before making arses of ourselves, but this time you had to step in to save us from embarrassing ourselves even more. There is nothing quite as humbling as reading your contributions the next morning to see how riduculous you were, and realizing that in a world rife with war, poverty, and injustice, you chose to spend precious hours alternately chest thumping and whining in cyber space. Really, it's a psychic hangover from a net bender.

I think my saving grace as a poster is always 1) realizing when I sound totally obnoxious, usually 2) admitting it, and often 3) apologizing for it.

So my real final word on this one is while still not impressed, my mea culpas to the board for the display of immaturity.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Oh boy.

You are just asking for the beat-down.

LOL!

Boy you've got that right!

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm waiting for the movie!

 

[Sarge]

I'm waiting for the movie!

Morning fellers.

 

[Nors]

Back to the subject:

SHANLE
Canty
Glenn
Bledsoe
Tnew

 

[Nors]

mornin - football day - big one to win