what are our "weak" positions?

[dbair1967]

Depending on what juniors declare there could be 5 running backs that are better than Turner in the draft.

probably more like 10

Turner is JAG

I cannot understand the obsession with him at all

David

 

[SkinsandTerps]

i think mcfadden will go just due to hype, and go fast. we're not in the top 3 we don't get him. but we've got a lot of time between here and then and who knows, maybe he has a bad workout or can't spell like vince young or something. i'm all for mcfadden just not all for him or no one else.

i think CB is more important than the OL and some are gasping for air at this point i'm not all angry at the OL. i want it to keep improving sure but i think we're got a good core and we need to how davis continues to gel and our picks from last year - how they pan out. there's even the warrior in pat out there looking like an arkansas hillbilly klingon.

if we lose jones we need a RB but it doesn't have to be mcfadden. theogt listed some other good alternatives i think we can keep an eye on just the same.

I agree about McFadden, and with theogt's list.

CB and OL are about equal to me in terms of need. Both need time to develop and although the Cowboys are lighting teams up right now, they arent exactly set at either position. Davis is playing great ball right now, maybe like Robert Gallery he has found his spot to shine in. So with age and finance catching up with Flo...who knows.

 

[iceberg]

I would absolutely love that ...... Both of them are better than anything coming out of college.

I just cant see either team making that trade.

detroit: calvin johnson and hell, #1 WR's for the last 18 years running it would seem. can they pay (2) #1's? if they can, more power to them. with the rise in the cap maybe they can before greed sets in.

arizona: they always seem to do something stupid. but with them wanting to run more, they also have (2) #1 WRs out there. will they pay them both? they can, they have the room, but will they? if we floated say the 28th pick in the draft out to them, would they do it?

i'd sure explore those options before drafting a player. i only hope we do and find out if we can get known quality vs. a crapshoot with our pick.

 

[iceberg]

probably more like 10

Turner is JAG

I cannot understand the obsession with him at all

David

you two could be right - i could be just hanging onto what i've heard and what has actually happened i could glean info from. but *this* is why i like these types of convos vs. coming up with some galactic alignment of stars and situations where mcfadden and only mcfadden is discussed.

felix jones has looked damn good also and that's one lethal duo arkansas has going on. from there i've not paid much attention to the college RBs so info on slaten and some of these others is a welcome change of pace.

tell me more about the ones theogt has listed and let's get some knowledge going on.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

detroit: calvin johnson and hell, #1 WR's for the last 18 years running it would seem. can they pay (2) #1's? if they can, more power to them. with the rise in the cap maybe they can before greed sets in.

arizona: they always seem to do something stupid. but with them wanting to run more, they also have (2) #1 WRs out there. will they pay them both? they can, they have the room, but will they? if we floated say the 28th pick in the draft out to them, would they do it?

i'd sure explore those options before drafting a player. i only hope we do and find out if we can get known quality vs. a crapshoot with our pick.

Detroit can afford it, they arent paying a QB, an OL, a defense, a RB, etc.

28th pick for a #1 WR ? haha. Be serious here. Especially Williams who is one of the best and most underrated in the game right now.

 

[CF74]

RB, WR, CB, NT, and we need another QB to groom for 3-4 years..

I love Barber but he is not a starter, he's a finisher...

TO and Glenn are getting old.

CB we need more depth.

Fergie went down, not sure if Tank is the answer.

 

[juck]

Ray Rice!!

 

[zrinkill]

Detroit can afford it, they arent paying a QB, an OL, a defense, a RB, etc.

28th pick for a #1 WR ? haha. Be serious here. Especially Williams who is one of the best and most underrated in the game right now.

I would give clevelands pick for either of them.

 

[dbair1967]

tell me more about the ones theogt has listed and let's get some knowledge going on.

all the one's he listed are excellent pro prospects...he left off Clemson's James Davis, who also has quality talent

I also agree with him about just making MBIII THE guy here before bringing in a backup like Turner...MBIII actually has a real role in our offense and gets it done when games matter...Turner is more of a mop up guy who only gets a carry or two here or there when games are on the line

David

 

[iceberg]

Detroit can afford it, they arent paying a QB, an OL, a defense, a RB, etc.

28th pick for a #1 WR ? haha. Be serious here. Especially Williams who is one of the best and most underrated in the game right now.

I would give clevelands pick for either of them.

you gotta start the negotiations somewhere. considering moss went for what, a 4th? that would drive the value of players vs. picks i would think. now if the cleveland pick were in the mid teens, sure. i'd do it also or at least have it on the board of possibilities.

 

[iceberg]

all the one's he listed are excellent pro prospects...he left off Clemson's James Davis, who also has quality talent

I also agree with him about just making MBIII THE guy here before bringing in a backup like Turner...MBIII actually has a real role in our offense and gets it done when games matter...Turner is more of a mop up guy who only gets a carry or two here or there when games are on the line

David

that would put about what, 5, 6 RBs on the pro prospect list *not* mcfadden? would seem to be a deep draft for RBs depending on who comes out then.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

i think mcfadden will go just due to hype, and go fast. we're not in the top 3 we don't get him. but we've got a lot of time between here and then and who knows, maybe he has a bad workout or can't spell like vince young or something. i'm all for mcfadden just not all for him or no one else.

i think CB is more important than the OL and some are gasping for air at this point i'm not all angry at the OL. i want it to keep improving sure but i think we're got a good core and we need to how davis continues to gel and our picks from last year - how they pan out. there's even the warrior in pat out there looking like an arkansas hillbilly klingon.

if we lose jones we need a RB but it doesn't have to be mcfadden. theogt listed some other good alternatives i think we can keep an eye on just the same.

I know your stance, but you still have to see that McFadden has been the most highly touted in this class, so he will be mentioned. I believe he will drop in the draft cause the Hogs suck this year, so there is a chance we could get him.

As for everything else you have said here, I agree with alot of it, although I don't think we will take a OL that high, I mean he never has and I don't see that changing unless Long was to drop or something else crazy.

For a CB, he would have to be a good impact CB to play, and our best chances of that are high in the draft. There are some ways were we could draft a top CB, move Henry to FS, and let Hamlin walk (although I like Hamlin). Otherwise, I would just rather keep what we got if it isn't a stud CB to make us want to do this.

WR is a problem area, cause these guys really are up in age. Jerry really doesn't have a history of taking WRs too high, and although you brought up Galloway, I think that was more of a brain fart trying for one last run with Aikman. Trading 2 numbers ones for a top draft pick in this draft isn't even in the same universe as trading 2 draft picks for a like 29 year old WR (Joey), that just doesn't hold water. So we did it in the past for an old WR, stupid move, but that has nothing to do with moving up to get McFadden.

Now, I am in favor of a deep threat WR with our Browns pick, but right now, I just don't see one who is worth it. Jackson just isn't that impressive to me yet, neither is Sweed. Hopefully they can change that.

I'm not in favor of drafting a NT high, I just think Tank will be fine, with Rat &Fergy will be fine for the spot.

I would say an impact player is needed, not another depth guy sitting next to Carp on the bench.

 

[iceberg]

galloway was to be that impact player. regardless of his age or when we got him or what part of jones body farted, we lost (2) 1s for 1 player. one of those picks *was* an impact player in alexander. *this* is my point, not defending or attacking galloway and the trade.

romo is an impact player - what draft pick did he cost us?
brady?

the list can go on and on and on can't it?

if the cleveland pick is 12 - 16 or so, trade it to ariz or det for fitz or williams. see if they'll take it vs. pay the player. suddenly our WR problems are solved with known quality not a crap shoot draft pick.

why for the love of unholy norse gods do you want to move our best CB so far this year to safety? this is movement for the sake of movement and while it's ok in the john it makes no sense on the field. if CB is a position of need don't pull an edunce and lose one of our best to bring in a ?

NT - i'm with you on this one but it's on the list as a ? because we don't know what fergie will do or how tank will perform.

i agree an impact player is needed. i don't agree it's only mcfadden who can do it.

 

[hairic]

RB. None are under contract in 2008, but Thompson and Barber are RFA.
WR. Glenn may be done, and Crayton is a UFA. TO has one year left.
CB. Jones and Reeves are UFA. Oglesby is a RFA. Henry is aging.
NT. Ferguson might get cut after next year to save a couple million on the cap. Ratliff is a RFA. Don't know what Johnson is yet.
DE. Canty can void 2008 and probably will, making him a RFA? Bowen is a ERFA. Ratliff is a RFA.
S. Davis and Hamlin are UFA.
OL. Adams is a UFA. Not sure about depth at center and guard.

I don't think about order of drafting until after the combine, but I think the top part of the draft (2 of first 3 picks) will be on offensive players.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

galloway was to be that impact player. regardless of his age or when we got him or what part of jones body farted, we lost (2) 1s for 1 player. one of those picks *was* an impact player in alexander. *this* is my point, not defending or attacking galloway and the trade.

romo is an impact player - what draft pick did he cost us?
brady?

the list can go on and on and on can't it?

if the cleveland pick is 12 - 16 or so, trade it to ariz or det for fitz or williams. see if they'll take it vs. pay the player. suddenly our WR problems are solved with known quality not a crap shoot draft pick.

why for the love of unholy norse gods do you want to move our best CB so far this year to safety? this is movement for the sake of movement and while it's ok in the john it makes no sense on the field. if CB is a position of need don't pull an edunce and lose one of our best to bring in a ?

NT - i'm with you on this one but it's on the list as a ? because we don't know what fergie will do or how tank will perform.

i agree an impact player is needed. i don't agree it's only mcfadden who can do it.

Galloway is just one example though. Of course we have nightmares about it now, but that was even stupid at the time. But really, age has everything to do with it and shouldn't at all be disregarded. Trading up in the draft to get a more highly regarded youngster is alot different than trading it for a veteran WR. Even Larry or Roy are still young, Galloway wasn't, and you are saying one pick for Larry or Roy. The Galloway trade was stupid, but it really has nothing to do with moving up in the draft for a young talent.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but you still have a higher chance of getting that impact player high in the draft beforehand.

BTW, I'm not saying to definitely move Henry, I'm saying if we draft a CB high, that pick should be good enough to push Henry and maybe force the change. Just like the McFadden or other great runner in the draft would make us get rid of Julius, I hold the CB to a similar standard.

If we did draft a OL that high, I would expect him to take over for Flo where we can let Flo walk. A highly drafted WR should make Glenn unneeded. If we expect to let JJ go for a RB, I believe other positions should be held just as accountable.

 

[wileedog]

I want the best runningback available and the best over 6' tall wideout with our 2 first round picks ......

We have ignored the offense in the first round long enough.

I understand we already have the number 1 offense in the league ..... but I want to scare the begesus out of everyone on our schedule.

Get a corner and nose tackle in the 2 and 3rd rounds .....

Agreed. Offensive playmakers.

Glenn will be gone soon and TO won't be far behind. We need impact skill players ready to take their place in the next couple of years.

Not sure why everyone insists on an NT this year though. Fergy will be back, Ratliff has been fine and Tank is signed through next year. Maybe if Tank implodes off the field, but if not...

 

[wileedog]

would you be opposed or for trading *our* #1 for say larry fitzgerald or even roy williams? draft that RB with clevelands 1st - whoever it may be.

I would do that in a heartbeat, much better idea than trading up for McFadden.

But will AZ or Detroit do it?

Hypothetical question: instead of trading 2 #1's for McFadden, would anyone deal 2 #1s for Fitzgerald? He's only 23 and is proven commodity. Nor is he a one dimensional burner like Galloway.

So do you do it?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

would you be opposed or for trading *our* #1 for say larry fitzgerald or even roy williams? draft that RB with clevelands 1st - whoever it may be.

If that pick is in the teens, as it looks like it will be, I don't think anyone would oppose trading it for Roy or Larry, kinda a no brainer.

 

[iceberg]

I would do that in a heartbeat, much better idea than trading up for McFadden.

But will AZ or Detroit do it?

Hypothetical question: instead of trading 2 #1's for McFadden, would anyone deal 2 #1s for Fitzgerald? He's only 23 and is proven commodity. Nor is he a one dimensional burner like Galloway.

So do you do it?

i would think ariz would before detroit. i'd not give up both however for the same reason i'd not do it for mcfadden.

 

[wileedog]

i would think ariz would before detroit. i'd not give up both however for the same reason i'd not do it for mcfadden.

I don't think AZ does it for only a #1, and if they do its Clevelands. (I'm not sure why Detroit would trade Williams at all)

How about a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd for Larry?