What are your thoughts on Shaun Cody?

[Qwickdraw]

No one seems to say much about this guy. I didn't watch him play much but his numbers are very impressive.
My ideal draft would be Merriman and Spears. I like Merriman and Spears as DEs in our 4-3 and Merriman at OLB with Spears at LDE in our 3-4. I doubt that we could get both of those guys (Spears & Merriman) but...
what if we got Merriman at #11 and Shaun Cody at #20? Cody has played both DT and DE and has good size. I think he would make a good LDE in a 3-4 as well as a 4-3 LDE and/or DT.
Any thoughts?

(sorry, I posted this thread in the "Draft Zone" but didn't get a response... I'm interested to know what you guys think)

 

[Portland Fanatic]

No one seems to say much about this guy. I didn't watch him play much but his numbers are very impressive.
My ideal draft would be Merriman and Spears. I like Merriman and Spears as DEs in our 4-3 and Merriman at OLB with Spears at LDE in our 3-4. I doubt that we could get both of those guys (Spears & Merriman) but...
what if we got Merriman at #11 and Shaun Cody at #20? Cody has played both DT and DE and has good size. I think he would make a good LDE in a 3-4 as well as a 4-3 LDE and/or DT.
Any thoughts?

(sorry, I posted this thread in the "Draft Zone" but didn't get a response... I'm interested to know what you guys think)

This year there are three top tier DT/DE tweeners in the draft, with Spears leading the pack. Johnson and Sean Cody would both make effective DE's as well.

Here's what's interesting to me for this years draft...there really is only one top tier NT option..that is Antajj Hawthorne, so if we do not land a Ferguson or Pat Williams in FA...BP may be forced to take Hawthorne early in the draft. This will hurt....but we absolutley must have a big talented NT in order to make the 3-4 work...he's the only one. If we need to let Spears go and pick up Johnson or Cody with #20 to play DE...IMO...not a big drop off.

 

[2233boys]

I don't think we go 3-4 we haven't been told we were going 3-4 and I think if we were going 3-4 Mike ZImmer would have already been fired. He is clueless as a DC let alone the DC of a defense he has never even worked with.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I don't think we go 3-4 we haven't been told we were going 3-4 and I think if we were going 3-4 Mike ZImmer would have already been fired. He is clueless as a DC let alone the DC of a defense he has never even worked with.

Alrighty then...

 

[conner01]

my hope is we address the nt position in f.a.,then merriman and spears would be great.or maybe spears and a wr,with roth or another one of the tweeners in the 2nd rnd.i hope we don't have to take a dt in rnd one because none of them seem to be real nt material,even hawthorne.i like hawthorne but i don't see him as a consistant player and is not as good a run stuffer as his size would seem to indicate

 

[InmanRoshi]

If we're going by who was the most dominant player I saw in college this year regardless of position, Cody would be among my Top 5 with Leinart, Derrick Johnson, Antrell Rolle and AD.

I would extremely happy with Cody, especially at #20. I think he's perfect for a 3-4 DE.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

my hope is we address the nt position in f.a.,then merriman and spears would be great.or maybe spears and a wr,with roth or another one of the tweeners in the 2nd rnd.i hope we don't have to take a dt in rnd one because none of them seem to be real nt material,even hawthorne.i like hawthorne but i don't see him as a consistant player and is not as good a run stuffer as his size would seem to indicate

I think I disagree with most on here about Hawthorne...I like the kid. I think he is a legit starting NT...need a solid rotation guy behind him, but view him asa starter. He can get bigger..to say 325 or so and still be quick and very strong. I've seen this kid on several occasions this year...he is a freak'in OX...always get big push with doubel teams...

As for Roth...this kid is a straight hand on the ground DE...not a tweener. His weight may indicate tweener, but he is no OLB.

 

[LA=Pancakemaker]

Parcells, rumor has it likes Roth very much, and if hes there at 20 I bet we take him.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Parcells, rumor has it likes Roth very much, and if hes there at 20 I bet we take him.

Does not make any sense...he is not a 3-4 DE and not an OLB...why???

I've never heard that rumor....

 

[InmanRoshi]

Its kind of weird projecting these undersized DE's as OLB's. Bill Parcells says you can't make the transition unless you're really intelligent. I guess its because you have to drop back into pass protection. But for the life of me when I think back on all the former 3-4 great ... LT, Pat Swilling, Derrick Thomas, Kevin Greene, Haley with the Niners ... I can't remember a single play where any of these guys dropped back into coverage.

 

[junk]

I think I disagree with most on here about Hawthorne...I like the kid. I think he is a legit starting NT...need a solid rotation guy behind him, but view him asa starter. He can get bigger..to say 325 or so and still be quick and very strong. I've seen this kid on several occasions this year...he is a freak'in OX...always get big push with doubel teams...

As for Roth...this kid is a straight hand on the ground DE...not a tweener. His weight may indicate tweener, but he is no OLB.

I agree, Roth's own college coach basically said the same thing. He wanted Roth to be an outside LBer. Not to say he couldn't be a OLB in a 3-4 whose sole responsibility was run support and pass rush. You always have to send one backer in a 3-4 I would think.

I also agree on Hawthorne. He does seem to disappear from time to time, that is my only concern. He gets real push though. I think whoever gets him in the late first will get a heck of a player.

 

[ghst187]

I agree, Roth's own college coach basically said the same thing. He wanted Roth to be an outside LBer. Not to say he couldn't be a OLB in a 3-4 whose sole responsibility was run support and pass rush. You always have to send one backer in a 3-4 I would think.

I also agree on Hawthorne. He does seem to disappear from time to time, that is my only concern. He gets real push though. I think whoever gets him in the late first will get a heck of a player.

It may be true that BP likes Roth but I hope he likes Roth in the same way he liked Kevin Jones last year...."like him, but not at the position we'll be picking, too high." Roth at 20 would be a huge waste. I wouldn't complain about him in the second round, but no doubt he's a DE or nothing. No way he's playin OLB, not athletic enough. I liked Roth in college too. He was very disruptive against some very good OLs but i sure don't mark him in the same caliber as any of the top 20 prospects. He's round two material...and then I expect there will be other players I like better still available.
IMO: Roth's draft value in this class is between 32-42

Hawthorne.....he would definitely start immediately for us and be a big improvement. I'm not sure he'll be as terrorizing as a Pat Williams or Leon Lett but would definitely occupy the NT position. I wouldn't be upset if we took him at 20 or in a short trade back from there....given several other certain players aren't available like Merriman, Spears, Rogers...
IMO: Hawthorne's draft value in this class is between 20 and 37

 

[Dough Boy]

Gert,

I think Cody would thrive in the 3-4. He is going to Denver in one mock that I read to play the 3-4 DE. In some of the mocks I've seen, he is always below our 20th pick. The word on him in the scouting community is:

Strengths: Has great athletic ability...Is fast and quick...Explosive and knows how to get after the quarterback...Quality pass rusher...Has good strength...Productive and always around the action...Is versatile and has played both tackle and end for the Trojans.

Weaknesses: Doesn't have the size you look for inside...Will be a liability against the run and can get pushed back by bigger, stronger offensive lineman...Doesn't really have a true position and is a 'tweener.

Notes: Top recruit coming out of high school...A DT / DE 'tweener who might not be a perfect fit for every team...May be one of the best interior pass rushers in the draft.

I like taking him at 20 and Merriman at 11. I think he is the 2nd best DT/DE tweener in this draft. He is behind Spears in my mind. Parcells is rumored to really like Spears. I read some where he spoke with Spears one on one.

I think the question is what do we need more, a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 OLB. If the answer is DE, we draft Spears at 11. If the answer is OLB, we draft Merriman at 11 and Cody at 20. One caveat, if Dallas believes that Spears and Cody are equal, but they believe Merriman to be the best OLB by far, I think we still take Merriman at 11.

I hope this helps.

JMO

 

[Qwickdraw]

Thanks. You took the words right out of my mouth. My perfect draft would have us getting Merriman (to play OLB in 3-4, LDE in 4-3) at 11 and Spears (RDE in 3-4 and 4-3) at 20. But Spears has moving up draft boards quickly because of his Senior Bowl performance and his good character. Therefor, I feel like we would have to choose between him or Merriman at 11 and the other would be gone by 20. Thus my inquiry about S. Cody. (2nd choice to Spears)

1 of these combinations in the first and then Roddy White in the second and Id be a happy camper.

 

[Cbz40]

my hope is we address the nt position in f.a.,then merriman and spears would be great.or maybe spears and a wr,with roth or another one of the tweeners in the 2nd rnd.i hope we don't have to take a dt in rnd one because none of them seem to be real nt material,even hawthorne.i like hawthorne but i don't see him as a consistant player and is not as good a run stuffer as his size would seem to indicate

I remember agreeing with you alot on another forum.........I see nothing has changed. It's great seeing you here.

Please make it a habit conner.

cbz40