What beat writers are saying about Wentz, and a QB at 4 currently

[Rogerthat12]

This.

And a trade back.

Only if there is a treasure trove of picks, if not I am taking that Blue Chip prospect regardless.

 

[bayeslife]

The more I study Wentz and Goff and to a lesser extent Lynch, the more I like them.

I just do not think this team is ready to make that kind of impact decision.

They would much rather sit around in a delusional cloud, pretending Romo has three to five years more (not a damn debate, guys) and that signing some cast off high maintenance backup will suffice.

What does not add up to me is that someone like Goff is always compared most to Matt Ryan. I would take Matt Ryan at 4, wouldn't you? Lynch compares to Roethlisberger. Again I'll take him too thanks.

These are not guys that stick around long in the first round because smart front offices realize that QB makes every other position irrelevant.

 

[MikeT22]

Man, if this team thinks a Linebacker or Corner is going to positively impact this team more than a future franchise QB, then we are doomed.

Exactly, and Myles Jack isn't a pass rusher while Ramsey isn't true CB or S. Hargreaves is a pure CB but he got toasted at the end of the year against better competition like FSU, Alabama and Michigan. None of them are the typical must have top 5 players. The closest may be Joey Bosa, but I don't think he rates as high as JJ Watt when he entered the draft.

I wouldn't pass on a chance to get a possible franchise caliber QB or at least a long term solid starting QB for a non-elite LB or DB.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I think the question that needs to be asked is, does Jerry like RGIII more than Wentz as a long term prospect? If so, we will sign RGIII and not draft Wentz. I think it would be a huge mistake because RGIII just cannot read the whole field.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Does Machota know that 3 QBs in the championship games were no 1 overall picks?. Probably not, his thinking is flawed to say the least.

Thats great but we aren't picking number 1 and none of these QBs are worthy of the number 1 pick

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Exactly, and Myles Jack isn't a pass rusher while Ramsey isn't true CB or S. Hargreaves is a pure CB but he got toasted at the end of the year against better competition like FSU, Alabama and Michigan. None of them are the typical must have top 5 players. The closest may be Joey Bosa, but I don't think he rates as high as JJ Watt when he entered the draft.

I wouldn't pass on a chance to get a possible franchise caliber QB or at least a long term solid starting QB for a non-elite LB or DB.

Jack is a MLB........what does being a pass rusher have anything to do with it

 

[dogunwo]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

BTW, isn't there a wrestler who says this?

Daniel Bryan. For the record, I hate wrestling. My son doesn't.

 

[fishspill]

I don't think they'll do it either, because it's the right thing to do and we have the worst front office in all of sports. I have great faith in their ability to always do the wrong thing.

But that won't stop me from banging the drum for the QB in an effort to avoid what's in our near future - being one of those teams that can't compete because they have no QB. It is a dreadful place to be.

Proactive is addressing this now by taking advantage of our positioning in this draft. Let the prospect sit and be groomed behind Romo for a hopefully near seamless transition when that day comes.

Reactive, which is what Jerry is because he has no clue what he's doing, is waiting until Romo is done, you're in a crisis and now desperate for any QB you can find. Not only are you more liable to reach for that QB but he probably has to play pretty soon because you just have nothing at the position. Your team's in a worse position and your new QB is in a worse position. But Go Cowboys.

I will hope for the best but expect the worst.

They'll take a QB just not at #4. Some McGee-like clipboard lectern that fans can point to and say "See, they are grooming a guy for the future!" paying no attention to the fact he shouldn't be on an NFL practice squad let alone a roster.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Closer than any other 4-12 team in league history.

well...the rams went 4-12 in 1998 and won the SB in 1999

 

[conner01]

I don't think they'll do it either, because it's the right thing to do and we have the worst front office in all of sports. I have great faith in their ability to always do the wrong thing.

But that won't stop me from banging the drum for the QB in an effort to avoid what's in our near future - being one of those teams that can't compete because they have no QB. It is a dreadful place to be.

Proactive is addressing this now by taking advantage of our positioning in this draft. Let the prospect sit and be groomed behind Romo for a hopefully near seamless transition when that day comes.

Reactive, which is what Jerry is because he has no clue what he's doing, is waiting until Romo is done, you're in a crisis and now desperate for any QB you can find. Not only are you more liable to reach for that QB but he probably has to play pretty soon because you just have nothing at the position. Your team's in a worse position and your new QB is in a worse position. But Go Cowboys.

I will hope for the best but expect the worst.

I would agree had jerry not wanted to take a QB last year
Hopefully the staff around him convinced him tony will retire domeday

 

[MikeT22]

Jack is a MLB........what does being a pass rusher have anything to do with it

Generally in the top 5 you'd like to get a premium player from a premium position: QB, pass rusher, LT. Positions like ILB, safety, OG aren't usually high first round picks unless in rare circumstances they are elite players. Jack is good but not elite and not at a premium position.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

well...the rams went 4-12 in 1998 and won the SB in 1999

BOOM!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Generally in the top 5 you'd like to get a premium player from a premium position: QB, pass rusher, LT. Positions like ILB, safety, OG aren't usually high first round picks unless in rare circumstances they are elite players. Jack is good but not elite and not at a premium position.

I think it depends on how the guy pans out... Would teams take Martin with a top-5 pick if they knew how he was going to turn out?

 

[MikeT22]

well...the rams went 4-12 in 1998 and won the SB in 1999

True. And I remember it well because after all three 5-11 Campo years ('00-'02) I kept seeing fans reference the Rams going from 4-12 to the SB as the Cowboys would magically do it, only to see Dallas once again go 5-11. At least Bill did follow '02 with 9-7 in '03.

 

[MikeT22]

I think it depends on how the guy pans out... Would teams take Martin with a top-5 pick if they knew how he was going to turn out?

There are exceptions. I'd depend on who else was available. As well as Martin has played he still wouldn't be a top 5 pick most years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There are exceptions. I'd depend on who else was available. As well as Martin has played he still wouldn't be a top 5 pick most years.

Martin not a top-5 pick the way he's dominated?

 

[MikeT22]

Martin not a top-5 pick the way he's dominated?

Here's a 2014 draft do-over from NFL.com. Has Martin going 10th


1. HOUSTON TEXANS

Pick: Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina, DE

Do-over: Derek Carr, Fresno State, QB

Comment: Rumors have it the Texansdidn't even consider Derek Carr because things didn't work out with his brother, David, years earlier. This time around, the Texans don't even blink.

2. ST. LOUIS RAMS

Pick: Greg Robinson, Auburn, OT

Do-over: Khalil Mack, Buffalo, LB

Comment: It's easy to put one of the talented wide receivers from this class here, but Mack has the potential to be one of the premier defensive talents in football. You don't pass on those guys.

3. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

Pick: Blake Bortles, Central Florida, QB

Do-over: Same

Comment: We could try to get cute here, but the Jaguars desperately needed a quarterback and they are seeing growth from Bortles.

4. BUFFALO BILLS

Pick: Sammy Watkins, Clemson, WR

Do-over: Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU, WR

Comment: The Bills traded up because they knew they needed a special playmaker. While they could go with Teddy Bridgewater here, we'll stick with the playmaker, but make it Beckham this time around.


Pick: Khalil Mack, Buffalo, LB

Do-over: Mike Evans, Texas A&M, WR

Comment: Would Al Davis love this pick or what?! Before there was Amari Cooper there was -- nobody, really. Evans has the size and vertical talent that teams love. He's also a touchdown-maker.

6. ATLANTA FALCONS

Pick: Jake Matthews, Texas A&M, OT

Do-over: Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh, DT

Comment: The Falcons went offensive line with this selection originally, but Donald is easily the most disruptive defensive lineman from this draft and has been much more productive and consistent than any of the offensive tackles from this draft.

7. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

Pick: Mike Evans, Texas A&M, WR

Do-over: Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville, QB

Comment: If we go back and re-draft, then there is no Jameis Winston on the team yet. Bridgewater has shown growth and promise and the Bucs would be smart to take him here in a re-draft.

8. CLEVELAND BROWNS

Pick: Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, CB

Do-over: Sammy Watkins, Clemson, WR

Comment: Irony time. The last time around, Cleveland traded out of the fourth spot rather than taking the talented Watkins. This time around, we'll stick Watkins with them in the eighth slot.

9. MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Pick: Anthony Barr, UCLA, OLB

Do-over: Same

Comment: While I would personally take Zack Martin with this selection, something tells me that Mike Zimmer and the Vikings' brass are OK with the defensive diversity that Barr offers them.

10. DETROIT LIONS

Pick: Eric Ebron, North Carolina, TE

Do-over: Zack Martin, Notre Dame, OL

Comment: It's never a bad idea to bolster the offensive line with Pro Bowl talent, so Martin is the pick.

11. TENNESSEE TITANS

Pick: Taylor Lewan, Michigan, OT

Do-over: Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina, DE

Comment: Lewan has been shaky at tackle and the Titans can't seem to figure their running game out. I know he has had to battle through injuries, but Clowney has flashed enough for the Titans to add him in as a boom-or-bust talent.

12. NEW YORK GIANTS

Pick: Odell Beckham Jr., LSU, WR

Do-over: Greg Robinson, Auburn, OT

Comment: While he still has work to do, Robinson has shown some improvement. He's the type of physical right tackle prospect that would have allowed the 2014 Giants to move Justin Pugh inside.


13. ST. LOUIS RAMS

Pick: Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh, DT

Do-over: Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State, WR

Comment: With Khalil Mack in the fold with the second overall pick, the Rams get to address their WR need with a touchdown maker who is extremely difficult to cover down the field. I know he has a torn ACL right now, but his ability and the Rams' need are a perfect match in 2014.

14. CHICAGO BEARS

Pick: Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech, CB

Do-over: C.J. Mosley, Alabama, LB

Comment: The Bears could go in several different directions in this spot, but they need solid, reliable and productive talent, and that is what Mosley gives them.

15. PITTSBURGH STEELERS

Pick: Ryan Shazier, Ohio State, LB

Do-over: Gabe Jackson, Mississippi State, G

Comment: The Steelers have been willing to draft along the offensive line over the last few years in an attempt to get their trenches where they want them. Jackson is a mauler who can open holes and step right into the left guard spot.

16. DALLAS COWBOYS

Pick: Zack Martin, Notre Dame, OL

Do-over: Aaron Lynch, OLB, South Florida

Comment: Lynch is a pass-rush specialist with an edge that defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli should be able to mold.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...l-draft-doover-texans-take-derek-carr-at-no-1

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Here's a 2014 draft do-over from NFL.com. Has Martin going 10th

1. HOUSTON TEXANS

Pick: Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina, DE

Do-over: Derek Carr, Fresno State, QB

Comment: Rumors have it the Texansdidn't even consider Derek Carr because things didn't work out with his brother, David, years earlier. This time around, the Texans don't even blink.

2. ST. LOUIS RAMS

Pick: Greg Robinson, Auburn, OT

Do-over: Khalil Mack, Buffalo, LB

Comment: It's easy to put one of the talented wide receivers from this class here, but Mack has the potential to be one of the premier defensive talents in football. You don't pass on those guys.

3. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

Pick: Blake Bortles, Central Florida, QB

Do-over: Same

Comment: We could try to get cute here, but the Jaguars desperately needed a quarterback and they are seeing growth from Bortles.

4. BUFFALO BILLS

Pick: Sammy Watkins, Clemson, WR

Do-over: Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU, WR

Comment: The Bills traded up because they knew they needed a special playmaker. While they could go with Teddy Bridgewater here, we'll stick with the playmaker, but make it Beckham this time around.


Pick: Khalil Mack, Buffalo, LB

Do-over: Mike Evans, Texas A&M, WR

Comment: Would Al Davis love this pick or what?! Before there was Amari Cooper there was -- nobody, really. Evans has the size and vertical talent that teams love. He's also a touchdown-maker.

6. ATLANTA FALCONS

Pick: Jake Matthews, Texas A&M, OT

Do-over: Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh, DT

Comment: The Falcons went offensive line with this selection originally, but Donald is easily the most disruptive defensive lineman from this draft and has been much more productive and consistent than any of the offensive tackles from this draft.

7. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

Pick: Mike Evans, Texas A&M, WR

Do-over: Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville, QB

Comment: If we go back and re-draft, then there is no Jameis Winston on the team yet. Bridgewater has shown growth and promise and the Bucs would be smart to take him here in a re-draft.

8. CLEVELAND BROWNS

Pick: Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, CB

Do-over: Sammy Watkins, Clemson, WR

Comment: Irony time. The last time around, Cleveland traded out of the fourth spot rather than taking the talented Watkins. This time around, we'll stick Watkins with them in the eighth slot.

9. MINNESOTA VIKINGS

Pick: Anthony Barr, UCLA, OLB

Do-over: Same

Comment: While I would personally take Zack Martin with this selection, something tells me that Mike Zimmer and the Vikings' brass are OK with the defensive diversity that Barr offers them.

10. DETROIT LIONS

Pick: Eric Ebron, North Carolina, TE

Do-over: Zack Martin, Notre Dame, OL

Comment: It's never a bad idea to bolster the offensive line with Pro Bowl talent, so Martin is the pick.

11. TENNESSEE TITANS

Pick: Taylor Lewan, Michigan, OT

Do-over: Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina, DE

Comment: Lewan has been shaky at tackle and the Titans can't seem to figure their running game out. I know he has had to battle through injuries, but Clowney has flashed enough for the Titans to add him in as a boom-or-bust talent.

12. NEW YORK GIANTS

Pick: Odell Beckham Jr., LSU, WR

Do-over: Greg Robinson, Auburn, OT

Comment: While he still has work to do, Robinson has shown some improvement. He's the type of physical right tackle prospect that would have allowed the 2014 Giants to move Justin Pugh inside.


13. ST. LOUIS RAMS

Pick: Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh, DT

Do-over: Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State, WR

Comment: With Khalil Mack in the fold with the second overall pick, the Rams get to address their WR need with a touchdown maker who is extremely difficult to cover down the field. I know he has a torn ACL right now, but his ability and the Rams' need are a perfect match in 2014.

14. CHICAGO BEARS

Pick: Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech, CB

Do-over: C.J. Mosley, Alabama, LB

Comment: The Bears could go in several different directions in this spot, but they need solid, reliable and productive talent, and that is what Mosley gives them.

15. PITTSBURGH STEELERS

Pick: Ryan Shazier, Ohio State, LB

Do-over: Gabe Jackson, Mississippi State, G

Comment: The Steelers have been willing to draft along the offensive line over the last few years in an attempt to get their trenches where they want them. Jackson is a mauler who can open holes and step right into the left guard spot.

16. DALLAS COWBOYS

Pick: Zack Martin, Notre Dame, OL

Do-over: Aaron Lynch, OLB, South Florida

Comment: Lynch is a pass-rush specialist with an edge that defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli should be able to mold.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...l-draft-doover-texans-take-derek-carr-at-no-1

That was a great year... I'd grant you that.

I'd consider him 9th.

If you were grading him in '13... much higher:

11Kansas City ChiefsFisher, EricEric Fisher OTCentral MichiganMAC[11]
12Jacksonville JaguarsJoeckel, LukeLuke Joeckel OTTexas A&MSEC
13Miami DolphinsJordan, DionDion Jordan DEOregonPac-12from Oakland [R1 - 1]
14Philadelphia EaglesJohnson, LaneLane Johnson OTOklahomaBig 12
15Detroit LionsAnsah, EzekielEzekiel Ansah †DEBYUInd. (FBS)

 

[Risen Star]

I think it depends on how the guy pans out... Would teams take Martin with a top-5 pick if they knew how he was going to turn out?

There's an archaic belief that you never draft an OG or OC at the top of the draft. I've never believed in it. Particularly when these geniuses have no issue burning top picks on much less impactful positions like cornerback.

I would have no problem at all with using the #1 pick in the draft on what I believe will be one of the most dominant interior offensive linemen in the entire league. Where it gets tricky is, if you know nobody else will take him there then maybe you don't have to. Maybe you can move down some and still get your guy.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Generally in the top 5 you'd like to get a premium player from a premium position: QB, pass rusher, LT. Positions like ILB, safety, OG aren't usually high first round picks unless in rare circumstances they are elite players. Jack is good but not elite and not at a premium position.

Ya that was before the rookie pay scale. Now you see top 10 OG being picked, hell one year there was 2 in top 10 and I heard the same thing. Jack is an elite guy and learning from Lee will be even better. If jack is the best player on the board you take him, who cares what position and what spot you take him. Guess Carolina shouldn't have taken Kuechly in top 8 since he didn't play premium position as you say. The isn't a QB worthy of top 4 pick. .....Bosa are you looking at as a pass rusher? Tunsil would be legit OT but would play RT in Dallas. Jack is top 4 talent. ......in my opinion