CFZ What Does This Tell Us?

[Stash]

Poor choices in coaching undoubtedly plays a huge role.

They wasted over a decade on a guy that couldn’t hold a job as a coordinator.

Remember that Jones gifted the guy a coordinator job in the first place. Then hired ‘helpers’ to handle the running game. They shuffled the deck several times afterwards, blaming everyone else but the real problem.

And we can go down the list since Johnson left;

Switzer was on cruise control from the minute he arrived and everything he achieved was due to Jimmy having set the table. He and Jerry’s buddies destroyed the team.

Gailey was a coordinator and never head coach material.

Dave Campo was simply the last guy left from the original staff. And he was burdened by aging players and a terrible cap situation. But he was never head coaching material.

Parcells turned things around, but the game had passed him by. His schemes and style were too conservative for the modern NFL.

Wade Phillips was another great coordinator who wasn’t head coach material. He was too nice to be a head coach and allowed his teams to make too many mistakes without repercussions.

That brings us to a never-was like Garrett. A decade-plus of time, money, and careers were wasted on Jerry Jones’ failed vision.

 

[LonnieElam]

Besides the obvious (front office), we had 10 years of Garrett, and the team refuses to draft a QB in the 1st round.

 

[John813]

The draft is just one part of the equation.
You got coaching, front office moves, free agency etc...
Dallas may draft well, or at least be able to hit in the first round, but that only goes so far for success in terms of making and winning in the playoffs.

Eagles have had Andy Reid, Peterson and Siranni looks to be legit/weirdo.
Eagles FO has been way more aggressive in making moves via FA/trades to bolster their team.

Dallas stuck too long with Garrett and abandoned FA after the Carr signing.

 

[Floatyworm]

What does this tell us???? That the pro bowl is rigged...

 

[Pass2Run]

It means absolutely nothing.

The game is played by 53 players total. Then there's the cap, which would probably limit how many pro bowlers a team can afford. On top of that, fans vote on the pro bowl.

Each year, there's a 1 in 32 chance a team wins the Super Bowl..one year, we were eliminated after the Dez catch call..

In any event, what's happened since 2000 is irrelevant to what's happening now.

Give 10 years to clap on, clap off...

So to answer your question..it means nothing.

 

[noshame]

We're on TV more?

 

[DogFace]

Coaching has CLEARLY lost us some big games and so have refs.

Yeah. I said it. Refs suck real bad.

 

[Pass2Run]

Why do posters go out of their way to find obscure meaningless info to degrade the team. When they could be looking for more useful facts that build the team up. For going into the next season. As opposed to dwelling on the past 28 years...yadda, yada, yada.....

I agree, ever since they allowed fans to vote for pro bowls, it got even worse. Used to be a players and coaches system. I remember fans complaining as to why did player X get voted in, he did not deserve it. and at times it was true, as they were voted I by reputation of past years. I have not done the on-line NFL pro bowl voting for the past 10 years or more.

I remember going the the Cincinnati Reds games as a kid. We went to about 10 to 20 games a year during the 70's. They would put out the all-star voting ballots. Everyone including some adults would grab a handful, and then punch in every Reds player on it, deserving or not over another.
However one year they did deserve it mid 70's, when I think 6 or 7 of the starters were Reds.

Some of us dont...some of us are relatively happy people and are fans like we are friends, family etcetera.

By the way, the Reds were my first sports team..I have a ball signed by the whole team: Rose, Concepcion etc.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

3 super bowls since 2000

 

[Pass2Run]

3 super bowls since 2000

You win or it doesn't count..

They should be called the Philadelphia Unos..because they only have 1 Super Bowl.

 

[kskboys]

Since 2000, the Cowboys have drafted a total of 30 players that have made at least one Pro Bowl. These players have combined for 92 Pro Bowls. During those same, most recent 23 drafts, the Eagles have selected 21 players with at least one Pro Bowl for a combined total of 48 Pro Bowls.

The Cowboys have a third more Pro Bowlers with almost double the combined Pro Bowls compared to the Eagles.

Furthermore:

Cowboys drafted since 2000 have produced 180 times that a draft pick was the starter for a particular season. In total, they participated in 3515 games

The Eagles, meanwhile, have produced 132 starts for their picks in the same drafts with a total participation of 2469 games.

And yet:

The Eagles have made the playoffs 15 times since 2000, playing in 7 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys have made the playoffs 9 times since 2000.

How is this possible?

The Cowboys looked to be drafting better than the Eagles since 2000. The Eagles seem to do better with less. Again, how is this possible?

In my opinion, there are two possibilities. One of them would be poor management of both the salary cap and veteran free agency. The other would be poor coaching with an emphasis on gameplanning.

Obviously, the Cowboys had superior talent in the draft. Considering the results, this could be a case of coaches not knowing how to deploy their weapons, poor strategy. Then again, it could be poor free agency choices, trades, or contracts. It could be very poor cap management.

Clearly, it's not a matter of talent from the draft. What do you think it is?

It means that simply counting pro bowlers is a very poor way to judge drafting. And it means that we have ignored some very important positions that have kept us from postseason glory which brings our draft grade down.

 

[kskboys]

The MASSIVE difference between us and the Eag's is that they aren't afraid to retool and more likely to reinvest the draft picks in trades. They are in the final year of an All-In period, after which I assume they trade what they have left and build from the plethora of recent 1st Rd picks.

They frickin' got 1st rounders for frickin' Wentz. Jerry wouldn't have traded him.

 

[MyFairLady]

We sure did sell a lot of 88 jerseys though.

 

[kskboys]

Why do posters go out of their way to find obscure meaningless info to degrade the team. When they could be looking for more useful facts that build the team up. For going into the next season. As opposed to dwelling on the past 28 years...yadda, yada, yada.....

I agree, ever since they allowed fans to vote for pro bowls, it got even worse. Used to be a players and coaches system. I remember fans complaining as to why did player X get voted in, he did not deserve it. and at times it was true, as they were voted I by reputation of past years. I have not done the on-line NFL pro bowl voting for the past 10 years or more.

I remember going the the Cincinnati Reds games as a kid. We went to about 10 to 20 games a year during the 70's. They would put out the all-star voting ballots. Everyone including some adults would grab a handful, and then punch in every Reds player on it, deserving or not over another.
However one year they did deserve it mid 70's, when I think 6 or 7 of the starters were Reds.

IDK, why do fans go out of their way to find obscure meaningless info to prop up the team? It really does go both ways. The answer is to ignore both types, or maybe give your take and walk away and quit obsessing about some meaningless drivel on a message board.

 

[kskboys]

There’s no question our drafts have greatly improved since Will McClay was put in charge of draft preparation. But…we have acquired enough talent to perform much better than we have in the playoffs. So why haven’t we done better in the playoffs?

It’s probably a combination of things but it has to start with the Jones boys and the very high level of involvement they have with everything from being at coaches meetings to selecting which hot dogs are served at the stayjum. Jerry has never understood that his micro-involvement is detrimental to his team’s performance.

It comes down to very poor assessment of personnel which leads to playoff losses. Before the SF loss, the previous two playoff losses were strictly due to not being able to stop the run. The answer to this problem has been pointed out on these boards ad nauseam, it's just so obvious, but Jerry has been incapable of understanding it up to this point. Too many late rounders, cheap FAs, and players playing out of position have been inexplicably depended on to solve issues. It just makes no sense.

Think about this. One of the big reasons that our D has improved the last couple years is due to having actual S's. Why didn't Jerry get S's? All of Jerry's S picks before MM came around were tall hard hitters that were very stiff in their movements. Look at Jeff Heath. Bet you a farthing that Jerry has no idea why Heath would look so good tackling at times, and then inexplicably wiff and look like a HSer out there.

 

[removed_20241105]

I feel they arbitrarily acquire talent but don’t really have an identity since Parcells. I think it’s easier to find talent in the draft if you don’t have to fit it into a broader strategy and scheme and I don’t think they have one. They end up with good players (though the Cowboys always win the popularity contests like the pro bowl), but it doesn’t translate into a cohesive, identifiable team and identity.

Jerry and wanting his triplets. Kellen Moore spread and shred attack. McCarthy wanting to run the ball criticizing an explosive offense. I could never identify a draftee where you’d say that’s a Cowboy type player but I could do that for most but not all of the teams that are consistently competitive over the years.

Norm Hitzges once said they are a wildebeest because they look like a conglomeration of different animals all in one. I think that is the perfect description and image as an answer to the question of their talent vs results.

 

[removed_20241105]

Since 2000, the Cowboys have drafted a total of 30 players that have made at least one Pro Bowl. These players have combined for 92 Pro Bowls. During those same, most recent 23 drafts, the Eagles have selected 21 players with at least one Pro Bowl for a combined total of 48 Pro Bowls.

The Cowboys have a third more Pro Bowlers with almost double the combined Pro Bowls compared to the Eagles.

Furthermore:

Cowboys drafted since 2000 have produced 180 times that a draft pick was the starter for a particular season. In total, they participated in 3515 games

The Eagles, meanwhile, have produced 132 starts for their picks in the same drafts with a total participation of 2469 games.

And yet:

The Eagles have made the playoffs 15 times since 2000, playing in 7 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys have made the playoffs 9 times since 2000.

How is this possible?

The Cowboys looked to be drafting better than the Eagles since 2000. The Eagles seem to do better with less. Again, how is this possible?

In my opinion, there are two possibilities. One of them would be poor management of both the salary cap and veteran free agency. The other would be poor coaching with an emphasis on gameplanning.

Obviously, the Cowboys had superior talent in the draft. Considering the results, this could be a case of coaches not knowing how to deploy their weapons, poor strategy. Then again, it could be poor free agency choices, trades, or contracts. It could be very poor cap management.

Clearly, it's not a matter of talent from the draft. What do you think it is?

I posted but forgot to reply directly to this. Wanted to say great topic though. Makes you think.

 

[kskboys]

Besides the obvious (front office), we had 10 years of Garrett, and the team refuses to draft a QB in the 1st round.

And a big part of that is the unwillingness to tear it down. There haven't been QBs available to us in the 1st round because we generally are drafting 15-28, and the good QB prospects are already gone.

 

[kskboys]

I feel they arbitrarily acquire talent but don’t really have an identity since Parcells. I think it’s easier to find talent in the draft if you don’t have to fit it into a broader strategy and scheme and I don’t think they have one. They end up with good players (though the Cowboys always win the popularity contests like the pro bowl), but it doesn’t translate into a cohesive, identifiable team and identity.

Jerry and wanting his triplets. Kellen Moore spread and shred attack. McCarthy wanting to run the ball criticizing an explosive offense. I could never identify a draftee where you’d say that’s a Cowboy type player but I could do that for most but not all of the teams that are consistently competitive over the years.

Norm Hitzges once said they are a wildebeest because they look like a conglomeration of different animals all in one. I think that is the perfect description and image as an answer to the question of their talent vs results.

Very well done.

Jerry never understood that the triplets were not the reason we won 3 super bowls. Does he even know that those were D teams?

 

[jazzcat22]

IDK, why do fans go out of their way to find obscure meaningless info to prop up the team? It really does go both ways. The answer is to ignore both types, or maybe give your take and walk away and quit obsessing about some meaningless drivel on a message board.

It goes more toward the negative though than the positive. But hey, such is life.