CFZ What Does This Tell Us?

[gtb1943]

They were lucky the Colts were dumb to trade for Wentz, as that was Reich thinking he could have success with him.
if not for that, no one would have made that trade for Wentz.

Don't act it was a stroke of genius from them.

However, yes, the use of FA and the draft saved them well. But Dallas has had better draft success. But the refusal of getting better players in FA has made a difference in a negative way so far.
Well possibly so far. It could prove long term Dallas did better by not over paying FA's, long term.

If it don't win Lombardi's then it is a failure.

And as regards luck, shall we talk about a certain trade of a RB for a lot of picks once upon a time....

 

[gtb1943]

Going farther down the road as regards luck, shall we discuss how we ended up with Emmitt?

 

[jazzcat22]

It was a stroke of genius. Don't act like it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eagles have been in two super bowls in last 5 years. Since the draft is the primary way in which you build super bowl teams, I wouldn't be so quick to crown us. We take some good players, but do we form a good team?

Looks like that might be changing w/ MM. To be seen.

If that is what you believe, the believe it. That is what the Eagles lovers on here do. Eagles do it, great, Cowboys do it, they suck. To me it was dumb luck, as it was Frank Reich wanting his QB he thought so highly off. No other team would have made that trade.

 

[jazzcat22]

If it don't win Lombardi's then it is a failure.

And as regards luck, shall we talk about a certain trade of a RB for a lot of picks once upon a time....

Yep the Vikings thought they were that 1 player away. Dallas was lucky they took the trade. But Dallas also knew they had to trade the best player to move forward.

 

[GMO415]

Great, then all that talent comes to Dallas just to die SB-less. Congratulations

 

[kskboys]

If that is what you believe, the believe it. That is what the Eagles lovers on here do. Eagles do it, great, Cowboys do it, they suck. To me it was dumb luck, as it was Frank Reich wanting his QB he thought so highly off. No other team would have made that trade.

I don't play those games. Can't have a conversation w/ those who flavor those ideas w/ extreme prejudice.

Taking a few good players in the draft does not make a great drafter. Super bowl contention makes a great drafter. And often being a great drafter comes down to a bit of luck. Eagles were lucky we were dumb enough to not take Fletcher Cox over MO.

 

[jazzcat22]

I don't play those games. Can't have a conversation w/ those who flavor those ideas w/ extreme prejudice.

Taking a few good players in the draft does not make a great drafter. Super bowl contention makes a great drafter. And often being a great drafter comes down to a bit of luck. Eagles were lucky we were dumb enough to not take Fletcher Cox over MO.

Really?
Are you not doing the same thing?

 

[Kingofholland]

Since 2000, the Cowboys have drafted a total of 30 players that have made at least one Pro Bowl. These players have combined for 92 Pro Bowls. During those same, most recent 23 drafts, the Eagles have selected 21 players with at least one Pro Bowl for a combined total of 48 Pro Bowls.

The Cowboys have a third more Pro Bowlers with almost double the combined Pro Bowls compared to the Eagles.

Furthermore:

Cowboys drafted since 2000 have produced 180 times that a draft pick was the starter for a particular season. In total, they participated in 3515 games

The Eagles, meanwhile, have produced 132 starts for their picks in the same drafts with a total participation of 2469 games.

And yet:

The Eagles have made the playoffs 15 times since 2000, playing in 7 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys have made the playoffs 9 times since 2000.

How is this possible?

The Cowboys looked to be drafting better than the Eagles since 2000. The Eagles seem to do better with less. Again, how is this possible?

In my opinion, there are two possibilities. One of them would be poor management of both the salary cap and veteran free agency. The other would be poor coaching with an emphasis on gameplanning.

Obviously, the Cowboys had superior talent in the draft. Considering the results, this could be a case of coaches not knowing how to deploy their weapons, poor strategy. Then again, it could be poor free agency choices, trades, or contracts. It could be very poor cap management.

Clearly, it's not a matter of talent from the draft. What do you think it is?

A lot comes down to coaching, we wasted 10 years with Garrett.

 

[plasticman]

A lot comes down to coaching, we wasted 10 years with Garrett.

Difficult to blame Garrett when he didn't even get to hire his own assistants.

 

[Kingofholland]

Difficult to blame Garrett when he didn't even get to hire his own assistants.

I think it's easy to blame Garrett who inherited a talented roster and led them to inconsistency. I'm sure he was involved in the hiring process to extent, but we know it was a lot of "Jason, we have this guy we like a lot what do you think of him joining your staff have a conversation with him and see if you're interested in hiring him too? I also don't think he had much of a tree to hire from anyway.

 

[plasticman]

I think it's easy to blame Garrett who inherited a talented roster and led them to inconsistency. I'm sure he was involved in the hiring process to extent, but we know it was a lot of "Jason, we have this guy we like a lot what do you think of him joining your staff have a conversation with him and see if you're interested in hiring him too? I also don't think he had much of a tree to hire from anyway.

He inherited a talented squad?

He took over a team as the interim coach that was 1-7 in the first half of the 2010 season.

I think Garrett had some input as far as assistant coaches on offense, I doubt he was involved much in the hiring of defensive coaches.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

probowls are no longer measure of success for NFL players. its a popularity contest.

and eagles owner is better than Jerry jones. Jerry wasted 10 years on garrett. wouldn't fire him his last two years, because he would have to pay his salary.

we don't make football decisions. we make money decisions. we are worth 3, 4 times as much as eagles.

And Buddy, that's the job of every owner. Not to win Super Bowls, it's to sell seats ! I don't care what anybody says. It's to garner as much interest in your product, and hold onto it for as long as long as you can.

If you win Super Bowls every now and then, it will keep your fanbase excited but The Cincinnati Bengals Ain't won S@#t never have , They still put butts in the seats. Cause if Jerry can't pay the light bill, we don't have a team to B@#$ch

and Moan about

 

[Redline360]

Pro bowl has been a joke for a long time now. Almost a meaningless title and more of a popularity contest.

We may draft better but that's about it. Overall management /GM is terrible for the last 25+ years and FA is typically a joke to ua

 

[Big_D]

Pro bowl has been a joke for a long time now. Almost a meaningless title and more of a popularity contest.

We may draft better but that's about it. Overall management /GM is terrible for the last 25+ years and FA is typically a joke to ua

Fun to watch, that's about it. It certainly never been a measure of how well you draft or how good your team is. No pro Bowlers I think in 92?? arguably the best team ever? 13 in 2007? It never carried any weight besides a nice individual accomplishment in a team game.

 

[Big_D]

He inherited a talented squad?

He took over a team as the interim coach that was 1-7 in the first half of the 2010 season.

I think Garrett had some input as far as assistant coaches on offense, I doubt he was involved much in the hiring of defensive coaches.

It's funny when people talk about Garrett "inheriting" a team. Like he wasn't here and wasn't a major part of the problem prior to 2010. Wasn't hired before the HC and didn't have Jerry's ear for 13 years. 2007-2009 was totally set up to be offense vs defense. Garrett helped make that mess in 2010 and should've been gone the same day as Phillips. Nope.. kept him for another decade. Absolutely nuts! Without a doubt the most clueless of all moves from this front office and that's really saying something. Wasted years on a ridiculous project.

 

[ChuckA1]

It was a stroke of genius. Don't act like it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eagles have been in two super bowls in last 5 years. Since the draft is the primary way in which you build super bowl teams, I wouldn't be so quick to crown us. We take some good players, but do we form a good team?

Looks like that might be changing w/ MM. To be seen.

I don't see why this is so hard for some to admit. I despise the Eagles, but can appreciate the job they've done and are doing.

 

[Kingofholland]

He inherited a talented squad?

He took over a team as the interim coach that was 1-7 in the first half of the 2010 season.

I think Garrett had some input as far as assistant coaches on offense, I doubt he was involved much in the hiring of defensive coaches.

The Cowboys were 11-5 the prior season and returned most of the team. Something was fundamentally wrong with them, as they lost 5 games by 1 possession to start the season and Romo got injured too.

Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Roy Williams. Solid offensive line with Free, Kozier, Gurode, Leonard Davis, and Marc Columbo. Then Felix Jones and Marion Barber.

Defensively Ware and Ratliff were anchors, pro bowl players. Terrance Newman, Anthony Spencer too. I will say ILBs and safeties were just OK st that stage.

This roster was certainly capable of more and Phillips just ran his course.

 

[kskboys]

I don't see why this is so hard for some to admit. I despise the Eagles, but can appreciate the job they've done and are doing.

2 super bowls in 6 years.

 

[kskboys]

Really?
Are you not doing the same thing?

That doesn't even make sense.